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was weird purple sparkles Knowflake Posts: 57 From: Registered: Dec 2004	posted January 01, 2005 01:57 PM hi! i recently came back to this website after almost 2 years without access, and i had initially posted this in the astrology forum, because i had forgotten that there was a specific forum for love and relationships.. here is the thread i started a few days ago about meeting my soulmate. i'm just wondering if there are things i am missing, or more to look at etc. i am particularily interested in magi astrology since he and i share the 'magical/marriage linkage') venus sextile chiron.. also, our composite moon is conjunct our composite chiron (our moons already being conjunct). there are also a couple of other linkages, tho i am not sure how to format the chart/s (synastry or composite? or maybe something else altogether)? also, i am not really sure how to interpret the linkages, and am very interested in magi astrology, or any other soulmate clues or things to study further, if anyone could help with that information.. here is the thread in the astrology forum.. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/003989.html thanks! IP: Logged
sassygrrrl Knowflake Posts: 242 From: U.S.A. Registered: Aug 2004	posted January 01, 2005 02:32 PM Hi I enjoy using the Magi techniques too. As far as I know the Magi Society doesn't acknowledge Composite charts. (one of the few things about them I disagree with) They use Synastry charts and also Progressed charts. And they're big on using the Declinations too which they consider to be just as important as the regular longitude planets, so those also have to be taken into consideration. But for some reason they don't consider the Sextile to be an important aspect, which is another thing I disagree with. But overall, I enjoy employing the Magi techniques. And what can I say...I love toying with all of my 'Cinderella' possibilities. IP: Logged
moonstar77 Knowflake Posts: 23 From: Registered: Nov 2004	posted January 01, 2005 03:40 PM Hi was weird purple sparkles, I know only a bit about Magi from what I read on their website. It's very interesting though. I have also been wondering about Chiron myself and am often dismayed that many astrologers still don't use it as much. Using it in a chart opens up this whole other level of information that the other planets simply cannot describe. That's when I started reading the Magi astrology because they focus on Chiron so much. I don't know what to totally make of the Magi astrology though. I wish it was more readily available other than what I've seen from their website. Also, I noticed in synastry, my partner and I have the Venus sextile Chiron aspect too and a Moon sextile Chiron. I am confused though. Who is thinking about marriage more? The Venus or Chiron person? What do you think? I also found, strangely enough, he has a natal venus sextile chiron and I have a natal moon sextile chiron. Don't know what this means though..wish I had a better grasp on this. :/ IP: Logged
sthenri Moderator Posts: 2777 From: Montreal, Canada Registered: May 2003	posted January 01, 2005 08:49 PM HI, I am not such a fan right now of the Magi, but I am very open minded to other philosophies. The reason is that the Juno conjunct Neptune aspects is said to the Mistress one, no marriage. But that's not true, my ex and I had this aspect, and although it ended, I never felt more respected and I am very into respect (Pallas and Juno in Capricorn). So I tend to disagree with their interpretations, although I acknowlege the significance. But significance is subjective. If think if you feel he is your soulmate he has something to teach you, and you ought to go straight into it, with open ears and eyes, but do not be afraid to stay put for as long as possible. Nothing bad can happen from committing to someone in your heart, but you have to listen to his fears, only then can tell if you are his soulmate. composites seem to work for me, but I also look as synastry more, Even with a good relationship potential, if either one of you is emotionally unstable the relationship will be too. Natasha Taurus IP: Logged
sassygrrrl Knowflake Posts: 242 From: U.S.A. Registered: Aug 2004	posted January 01, 2005 11:11 PM Actually I believe the Magi's take on Juno is that if a couple has more Juno linkages than Chiron linkages, then the relationship most likely takes on an unmarried status. And especially the Mistress linkage of Juno-Venus, and the Lifelong Mistress linkage of Juno-Chiron. I'm going by memory here, so I hope I'm remembering it all correctly. lol. But I think according to them that if a couple has more Chiron linkages (specifically the so-called 'Cinderella' marriage linkages) than Juno ones, then Chiron cancels out Juno and the relationship isn't doomed to remaining marriage-challenged after all. IP: Logged
OdessaStar Knowflake Posts: 57 From: Registered: Aug 2004	posted January 02, 2005 04:42 AM Sthenri always has the best, heartfelt advice. IP: Logged
GemStar Knowflake Posts: 112 From: USA Registered: Jul 2004	posted January 02, 2005 07:25 AM According to Magi Astrology, Chiron Linkages are not just signs of enduring love, but Chiron Linkages actually actively create the conditions necessary for a couple to marry; on the other hand, Juno Linkages impede the development of the conditions necessary for a couple to marry. Some of the reasons for this are that according to Magi Astrology, Juno is ruler of the mistress, the affair that does not lead to marriage, the desire to remain single, and disrespect for the institution of marriage. Juno rules sex outside of marriage, sex without commitment, sex without love, sex without feelings, unwed mothers, children out of wedlock, and being less responsible than one should be. Whereas in Magi Astrology, Chiron is the ruler of commitment, true love, marriage and having children through marriage. To help utilize the above information, Magi Astrology has developed the following rules: Chiron versus Juno Rule One: Any Chiron Linkage formed between the two persons increases the chances of marriage between two persons, except the Chiron/Juno linkage. Chiron versus Juno Rule Two: Any Juno linkage formed between two persons reduces the chances of marriage between the two persons, except the Chiron/Juno Linkage. Chiron Versus Juno Rule Three: The Chiron/Juno linkage neither increases nor decreases the chances of marriage; it does however greatly increase the chances of a long-term intimate relationship between two heterosexual persons (it does not increase the chances of a long-term intimate relationship between same-sex couples). In Magi Astrology, the Chiron/Juno Linkage is not a Chiron Linkage, and it is not a Juno Linkage. We are not trying to be cute but it is a Chiron/Juno Linkage and a sign of long-term togetherness that neither tilts toward marriage nor away from marriage. For this reason, the Magi Society refers to the Chiron/Juno Linkage as the Long-Term Linkage. I think the Juno Links are interesting...however, the rules above seem to work out for the most part...the disrespect that sthenri says did not exist in her previous marriage goes to show that there were other stronger links that overrode the Juno-Neptune possibly. Remember the rule-more chiron links outweigh the Juno aspects....my friend's software does not have the Juno info so I look at the astro.com charts with Juno highlighted to see where it aspects with my other. Hope this helps a bit... Happy New Year! GemStar IP: Logged
GemStar Knowflake Posts: 112 From: USA Registered: Jul 2004	posted January 02, 2005 07:30 AM I may be incorrect but I think the MAJOR mistress link is Juno-Venus...not so much the Juno-Neptune link. The story with Prince CHarles and Camilla PB discusses this I believe... IP: Logged
monad Knowflake Posts: 53 From: new zealand Registered: Dec 2004	posted January 02, 2005 09:51 AM i wouldnt worry about it IP: Logged
Purpleflame Knowflake Posts: 263 From: Canada Registered: Jun 2002	posted January 02, 2005 02:42 PM Yes, Gemstar..I do agree that it is the Juno-Venus that is the biggest indicator to the mistress. Was Weird Purple Sparkles..do enjoy the wonderful uniqueness of your relationship..and yes, I too, 'went looking' for answers after meeting a 'someone so very special'. The Magi society is indeed intriguing..I have the 3rd book and the 3 Chiron aspects you mentioned are all great ones..speaking from memory ..yes, the Chiron Moon is a good one as well..think it is the trust one. I will have to take a look when I get a chance. That 3rd book .. the Love and Money one actually goes into the different meaning of the linkages. Just remember with the Magi..the degrees are TIGHT..within 3. The declinations are within 1.2 and the quincunx becomes a negative if it involves Saturn or if it involves a Contraparallel..it takes a lot of time to figure out the 'aspects' without the software. GEMSTAR, does your friends software talk of the more complicated Super Romantic Linkages? Nice to be chatting with you all..I don't get in here very often and each time I do .. it seems like all the people have changed..so hi to all of you new to me people and Happy 2005 to each and every one of you. Flame IP: Logged
sassygrrrl Knowflake Posts: 242 From: U.S.A. Registered: Aug 2004	posted January 02, 2005 02:56 PM Another great Romantic Linkage to have with someone is the 'Cupid' linkage of the Sun and Venus. It does not help or hinder in the marriage department, but it causes a strong attraction. And it is a great plus to have in Synastry with someone...and I can vouch for that from personal experience. Interestingly, Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky have a double Cupid Linkage with each other, which apparently helped to bring those two crazy kids together. IP: Logged
was weird purple sparkles Knowflake Posts: 57 From: Registered: Dec 2004	posted January 02, 2005 05:23 PM oh wow.. thanks for all of the information! it'll probably take a few days until i'll have time to get throo all of it, since i have to do the math for our synastry manually. oh, and i made a mistake in my original post. we actually have composite venus trine chiron, not square. too bad they don't recognize composite charts. does anyone know why? thank you for all the infos, everyone!! IP: Logged
sassygrrrl Knowflake Posts: 242 From: U.S.A. Registered: Aug 2004	posted January 02, 2005 07:55 PM I don't know why the Magi peeps don't recognize Composite charts. Because I personally find them very helpful for analyzing relationships. And Composites respond to transits and progressions the same way a natal chart does and IMO they're just as important as using Synastry techniques. ...So I think the Magi dropped the ball on this one. IP: Logged
GemStar Knowflake Posts: 112 From: USA Registered: Jul 2004	posted January 02, 2005 09:01 PM Purpleflame....yes, the software will show the linkages of the "Super-Romantic linkages" when present in the synastry between people. The main information re-the whos and whats are on their website www.magisociety.com. I do not believe I have ever seen a couple who has married who did not have at least one SuperLinkage aspect(Cinderella or Romantic...there are slight differences)....just the same for marriages that have ended usually have the Nuclear Clash or Heartbreak Clash they discuss. Certain Saturn linkages are not positive which is directly contradicting some traditional astrology thoughts....although the Magi people have some truly interesting views...as with everything, nothing is 100% accurate...there are ALWAYS exceptions... From the Magi Society: Super Linkages: Super Linkages involve 3 Planets: an Aspect and an Inter-Aspect. A Person's Natal Planet Links with Another Person's Natal Aspect. Romantic Super Linkages: A Romantic Super Linkage is a Super Linkage that involves Chiron in the 3 planet Linkage. It can be formed in 2 ways, but always involves Chiron: 1. One person has a Chiron Aspect, and the other person has a planet that links to Chiron. 2. One person has an aspect, and the other person's Chiron links to one of the planets that form the aspect. sassygrrl-There is actually an aspect called the Monica and Bill transit (Saturn square Uranus)...bet you can guess what that one means!!! (Hint-regards airing 'dirty laundry') As far as the composite charts..I believe that the effect of the Other's planets in relation to yours is what Magi focuses on as being more influential....leaning towards the idea that the relationship will move and grow based on the synastry between the individuals...how each person influences the other...Personlly, I place synastry above composite as far as importance. I usually consider the composite chart to be more of a general flavor...I seem synastry as more specific...just my opinion...it is always good to be open-minded about everything...wouldn't you agree? GemStar IP: Logged
sassygrrrl Knowflake Posts: 242 From: U.S.A. Registered: Aug 2004	posted January 03, 2005 01:32 AM oh yes I totally agree. And I do love the Magi Astrology overall as they have provided me with a wealth of information I wasn't privvy to anywhere else. And Composite Charts are quite subjective. AND headache inducing too. Especially when they throw in a bunch more stuff that needs to be analyzed that doesn't show up in the synastry...Arrrrg! ...And a Bill & Monica aspect, eh? ok I'll never look at that particular Saturn/Uranus combo the same way again. LOL IP: Logged
Aen Knowflake Posts: 330 From: Registered: Nov 2002	posted January 03, 2005 05:10 AM I woner if Chiron is about commitment and Juno about being mistress, then how the combo of Chiron in 7th hs and Juno in 8th (conj. Saturn) in one's natal chart would work out? IP: Logged
Purpleflame Knowflake Posts: 263 From: Canada Registered: Jun 2002	posted January 03, 2005 01:00 PM Thanks GEMSTAR..you are a gem. okay I wish to discuss something a bit more complicated and you sound like you would understand the complexities..Thanks..look forward to hearing from you..Flame.. IP: Logged
GemStar Knowflake Posts: 112 From: USA Registered: Jul 2004	posted January 03, 2005 01:34 PM Sure Flame...will do! IP: Logged
Purpleflame Knowflake Posts: 263 From: Canada Registered: Jun 2002	posted January 03, 2005 11:32 PM Thanks Gemstar..as yet, haven't got your email.. IP: Logged
GemStar Knowflake Posts: 112 From: USA Registered: Jul 2004	posted January 04, 2005 07:02 AM Really?? Hmmm.....I will try again.... IP: Logged
GemStar Knowflake Posts: 112 From: USA Registered: Jul 2004	posted January 04, 2005 07:07 AM I double-checked the address and it was correct....maybe the email guy was off yesterday! LOL!! Let me know...I just sent you another one....GemStar IP: Logged
was weird purple sparkles Knowflake Posts: 57 From: Registered: Dec 2004	posted January 04, 2005 12:25 PM .... .... ..... .. or maybe you guys could discuss more on here so that we can learn from the vastness of your insights..? ..... .... ... IP: Logged
Purpleflame Knowflake Posts: 263 From: Canada Registered: Jun 2002	posted January 04, 2005 11:41 PM BooHoo..you just never know with technology..GEMSTAR..nothing yet..so I will give you my 'other' addy..this one might bring us luck GOT IT! Think the email man took a LONG Christmas break. Thanks for trying Gem..let's hope this works. Aen, Can't help you with the house and Magi..they don't even require your exact birthtime so don't emphasize or mention the house aspects. They do include the Ascendent and say it counts as the Sun but do not talk houses. Was Weird Purple Sparkles..I do think we chatted a LONG time ago ..how could one Purple person forget another. This 'stuff' I want to ask Gem is totally complicated..more to do with the intricate aspects..thought you had plenty to 'mull' already..Did NOT wish to leave you out..forgive us. Also, when Donna used to be here she helped us out with the Magi knowledge ..If you go into the Astrology 2002 threads she comments quite a bit about Magi astrology. GEMSTAR,Hope to hear from you on the 'other addy'.. don't know why the first one isn't working but thanks for trying. Flame IP: Logged
GemStar Knowflake Posts: 112 From: USA Registered: Jul 2004	posted January 05, 2005 08:25 AM Hey Flame....OK.....I just sent another email to your alt. address....with a short prayer to the emails gods for safe delivery!! Ha,ha... Glad we have this thread to check up on it....how strange! Thanks for the alt. address.... Regards- GemStar IP: Logged
GemStar Knowflake Posts: 112 From: USA Registered: Jul 2004	posted January 05, 2005 08:33 AM Was wierd purple sparkles...please do not feel left out...of course if there is a general lesson to be shared, the Magi is always open to sharing...It sounds like Flame has some intricate details that may not apply to traditional astrology...did you have a specific question in mind? (PS-I love you sign-on name! I have a cool image in my mind each time I read it....very creative!) Regards- GemStar IP: Logged

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