posted March 04, 2005 11:05 AM         

I am Taurus/6th/Cancer Moon/8th/Venus Aries/4th, Sag Ascendant conjunct Neptune/Scorpio.

Any encouragement for Leo men?
Are they cuddly? or more down to earth?

posted March 04, 2005 01:13 PM         

I am a Sag with a Taurus rising (with the exception of astro.com which says I'm on the edge of Taurus/Aries and counts me as an Aries)...but anyhow...we seem to get along good...

better than with my Aquarian...but for some reason that Aquarian won't get out of my head or my heart...maybe in time he will...I hope.

posted March 05, 2005 09:18 PM         

So I believe that's why I like this Leo, plus he is more rational than most.
Now the challenge is to get him into my house and how to keep him there, he is a little argumentative at times, oh well..

posted March 05, 2005 09:33 PM         

There are two Leo types of Leo men that are much harder and complex to understand. Those with a Scorp moon (just plain mean) and those with an Aqua moon.

You have a crush on a full moon baby...and my ex-bf of two years was also a Leo with an Aqua moon, Venus in Gemini, Mars in Sagittarius, Merc in Leo. He is deathly handsome, but that Aqua moon does make them less emotional than others.

Insecurities with this guy? Nope, you better not have them, because they will tease you about them. You better be a strong, working well abled woman that can take care of herself and him too. He will reward you, but don't expect curling up on the couch, tender kisses and hand-holding. My ex even had a Taurus rising and that didn't make him any more emotional or cuddly.

Aqua moon freaks out when you cry..and when you get them angry..or they start to feel emotional..watch out, that Uranian energy freaks out their opposite Lion passion and what you get are some weird fireworks.

Sexy...oh yeah, these men are sexy. I love his appeal and we had tons of yummy aspects, but in the end he was not the best mate in the world. His ex was a Taurus Sun / Capricorn moon. He was nice about her, never said any many mean things, but he would say he hated the fact that she was always complaining about how she looked or if she gained weight. He was even worse when people were sick (or if I was sick and we were on the road- we worked together) he would talk about how "puny" his ex would get and that it would tick him off that she didn't work as hard has he did.

In the end, he went back to her after I broke things off with him and became involved with Mr. Taurus.

When he found out that I was with a Taurus he said 'Oh Pidaua, tell me you didn't leave me for one of those. I could have already told you how hard it is to be with them and how much they complain about EVERYTHING"

I said "Then why did you go back to your ex?"

He said "Because it just made things easier".

A true testament to the kind of guy he really was.

He is just one example of a Leo Sun / Aqua moon. I do find them to be a more complicated full moon baby and I am surrounded by them LOL.. I am also sure that their planetary aspects are different. My ex had his Pluto in Virgo and Jupiter in Libra (mine is in Scorpio) He was born 7/28/1969 at 11:59pm Mountain time.

posted March 05, 2005 10:27 PM         

Yes I noticed he likes to argue, the opposite of what I am saying, if I say black, he'll say white just to argue. But I like that, I am more challenged that way and I do not want a pleaser.

Plus I am pretty strong, but yes Air moons. I have said before, no more air moons ever, ever.

But I think earth moons can be too hard for me sometimes, even though I like them. Fire moons, water moons are the best.

Air moons can be really insecure, and lazy themselves, that is why they push others around, and jealous.

Interesting that your ex went back to a Taurus ex, ex's always want to come back to me, it's as if they are always learning something, maybe how to stand on their own?

Thank you for your insights into this personality, I can learn a lot. So far I have learned not to expect the usual, and give space, do not whine, or be negative and load on the compliments. Still I get impatient sometimes, the ex Gemini was action all the time, I expect full speed ahead too much.

My ideal man would be sensitive like a Pisces, communicative like a Gemini, and fiery and loving like an Aries, with the desire to be domesticated.

posted March 06, 2005 03:07 AM         

I was with a Leo guy with moon in Aqua, Venus in Virgo...(from what I understand thats the same combo as this guy that you're talking about--I think I saw you say that in Astro forum). This guy was the first love of my life, and only one so far, and same way for him. He fought and fought for me to his parents but couldn't win the fight so we let it go...I let him go coz I knew his family was too prestigious in comparison to mine and that he couldn't leave his family and his mentally disabled brother and sick parents....but anyways we've always been each others boo's....hehe , he is married but he still comes running to me when he has any problem. We will always love each other

Anyways:
He is turned off by other peoples insecurities major time, but he wants to constantly be told that he is loved in nontraditional ways--not 'I love you', that is too commonplace for the regal lion and the unconventional aqua-bearer moon of his. His venus in virgo (and mars in gem) makes him feel doubting of those words--and words have a big impact on lovemaking for him. I had to tell him I loved him in other ways--there was a time I used to sell my things to make ends meet for him, send him my money, my things, always be there for him, never yell at him, never demand things from him. I showed him with my actions that I love him--I wouldn't unnecessarily touch him, but he would come to me himself, and then I would gently hug him and we'd go off into some great physical stuff there....hehehe

He hated others insecurities, he hates wimpy people but likes for people to want him, there's a difference between the two things. He was NOT insecure--he could walk out on a person at the drop of hat--but he has always needed me to be there. If I get angry with him or stop talking to him he can get so depressed that it is scary. He needs that one person for emotional support, and he is very idealistic about relationships. I have a feeling your Leo is very close to this. How could three major planets be the same and this not apply? Very very uncanny really.

Don't get too touchy with him, coz the Venus in Virgo guys don't like the women to be too outright steamy I think. This guy I'm tellin u about was VERY good in bed....actually awesome just right for me (Venus in Aries in 7th, Pluto in Scorpio and 2nd, Mars in Gemini and 9th). It was the best I've ever had. But he would sorta shrink back if I hugged him. He wanted to be the one to come to me first....to creep his hand around my back or kiss me or hug me or basically initiate contact first.

posted March 06, 2005 01:59 PM         

"I had to tell him I loved him in other ways--there was a time I used to sell my things to make ends meet for him, send him my money, my things, always be there for him, never yell at him, never demand things from him. I showed him with my actions that I love him--I wouldn't unnecessarily touch him, but he would come to me himself, and then I would gently hug him and we'd go off into some great physical stuff there....hehehe"

I am not disparaging Leo men...they are my weakness as any men with prominant Leo placements or Sun in the 1st house. But...you hit the nail on the bed...

These men NEED and I mean NEED a woman to take care of them. My grandfather is also a Leo Sun / Aqua moon and he relied heavily on my Leo grandmother (cap moon) to run things. Then he married ANOTHER woman while he was married to her..he told him to hit the road and took more than half of his worth LOL..and this was in the old days in Kansas LOL...

I have written lots about my ex Leo (with the Aqua moon) mostly good things, but he does have a darker side. I know that he married his first two wives for convenience- like he said "Why should I be on my own when I can have someone to share time with me". The first was a Cancer the second was a Taurus (he went back to the Taurus after we broke up- they also have a little girl together).

He was never home though. He expected his women to take care of things at the house and then was critical about it. He would work all day, come home- feed cows- work his fields and then come home at night to have a few stiff drinks. I asked him if he was like that in his two marriages..he said "Hell yes!".

We ended up working together and by that I mean, I did all the work. If things got too stressful he would go into his cave. I, like you, began to do everything possible to keep his job / finances from falling into the red. Still..he wouldn't pick up the slack more than half a$$ed because he was too busy working on his own projects..not to mention his drinking started to get worse and worse when he sensed I was getting tired of carrying him.

Sure I loved him. There is a part of me that still does. He was this amazingly handsome cowboy with all this sex appeal. He made me feel like a million dollars..but he also was too needy in a non-touchy needy kind of way. I looked into the future and saw me being wife number 3. With him bailing to go to Elk camp or only coming home late at night to eat, sleep, screw and then be off again...

I won't settle for that..because I would rather be single than waste my time living in a home with a person that is only there parttime..emotionally and physically.

He and I ALSO both have our Suns in the 4th house..so we would butt heads on home style and rules.

I feel sorry for his Taurus wife that took him back, but that is their Karma to work out.

posted March 06, 2005 11:31 PM         

What is also amazing though is that if you try to be difficult with them or tell them, hey I'm tired of pulling all the burden of the relationship, they decide, ok then screw you, and walk out on you. And they never regret it because they can find other people to do the same thing for them! They're too charismatic, too loveable...

I don't think these things are their faults. I think the fault is mine for loving him despite all this! He says he loved me dearly, sometimes I believe this, sometimes I don't, depends on whether I feel optimistic or pessimistic that day. Now I have come to pretty consistently think that he did love me but then fell out of love--I think that now he is incapable of loving anyone but himself. A big problem for the self-centered signs (and by this I mean the typically thought of as self-centered signs, such as Leo, Aries, etc.) is that it is very difficult for them to truly love selflessly. Love is just that; it is becoming selfless because you put someone above you, to love them you must do that at least temporarily. Then they are supposed to love you and put you higher too, and you are both on the same pedestal then. It is flying high together because both people respect the other, or at least the combined unit (the sum), more than the parts themselves.

I think Leo men with Aqua moon are quite incapable of this--through no fault of their own, but just because of the way their mind works, it dominates even in the matters of the heart!

posted March 07, 2005 05:27 PM         

I broke it off with him several times. But, yes, he could be a child and a big dork. Mostly he would just say stupid things (that could also just be a MALE thing). LOL...

When things were good..they were very good, but when things got bad- it was terrible. There was one time he was all depressed about his mom's issue with some land that his grandmother had left to the family. His mom is one of those very manipulative cold, ice princess types that wants her son at her side at ALL times... LOL...well, she was purposely screwing with him while we were doing business in MD (where the HQ of our company was). He just turned into a total jerk. He came over to my place for dinner and was acting like he had somewhere better to go. Then the next day he was very cold and distant at work- he said his mom was angry that he had tacked on an extra day so that we could tour Baltimore.

I was like..Hey..you've been married twice and you have a kid, cattle and a job- what is your mommy doing running your life?

Well he did something then that I will NEVER forgive him for which is what led to our eventual break up. He left the next day..not a damn word until he was on the shuttle. He changed his flight for her and ran back to help his mommy (she was fine and there was NO problem she was just exercising her control).

But, to be he did the unspeakable..and that was to just leave- I never trusted him again after than..we even went a full month without talking and I ignored his calls and e-mails unless they were work related. I was kind of prickly towards him until January 2003 at a conference..but I still never trusted him like I once did.

We ended up breaking things off completely the following January..and that April I met Mr. Taurus

posted March 07, 2005 08:22 PM         

Usually if you have to feel guilty, it's forced on you anyway.

Self Centered signs-I qualify as a Taurus with Venus in Aries, but my Venus is in the 4th which has a strong desire for romance, and the Sun is in the 6th which is about service,
I have been there with a man who has fallen out of love, the only thing that matters is something new, some transformation, or a kick in the butt, and then forgiveness. In other words, discipline, and like a child, a self centered person needs constant amounts of structure and discipline.

There are women who do nothing but kick their man out of the house and take him back again, because that's what keeps them together LOL!

You bet a lot of those men are very proud, and self centered. Pride goes before the fall, and for a couple to live together they must fight and someone has to win, and the other has to lose and they have to switch off. If there is too much pride, the fall is harder and it's a lot of emotional energy wasted.

I have given up on self centered ones, I just call when I'm in town, let myself go, don't expect anything and remember that I am truly on my own. I do not expect anything romantic for a self centered man, he is the type who will tell you his penis size before his name without batting an eye, there is no sensitivity at all.

I love Cancer men, I wish we could make more of a go of it, but they can be rigid in how much affection is needed, I can be unwilling to bend, also due to pride, or selfishness, I don't know which. Maybe someday I will get it together and find the right one, who can work with my Venus in Aries, that would be a relief.

I am so used to living with a child, the only thing I ever learned was live your own life, and never trust or depend on the other, I don't lie, or hold back, I just don't expect anything but good times, nothing deep, nothing truly romantic.

I think only Cancer and Pisces men truly understand and want the same kind of romance, I do, but I have been unable to find one so far without so many emotional entanglements as they do not live a solitary life. I will let myself be friends for a while, and then the ex wife, kids, dogs, will start to get on my nerves...everytime I get a little bit closer to my goal. That is why I am looking at a man now that has Mars/Uranus in Cancer/7th.

I feel there has to be some Cancer or Pisces feel to a man to work with me, but again, sadly, there are the other entanglements and lack of pride. I thought for sure I had found the perfect man once, a Capricorn, and then I was wrong, so it's like a game now to me, one I can't take too seriously or I would lose my mind.

Both of your portraits of Leos are so dead on, it's amazing,

Thank you, for the heads up, I am ready for anything now, but still not expecting romance,
Still no word from Mr. Leo after our talk.

posted March 07, 2005 09:10 PM         

What is UP with that. I have no huge pride issue with my sun sign, maybe it is the Moon in Scorp (as well as Pluto) and the Venus in Aries. I hate all this Mars-driven energy in me. Mars sucks!

I would say that its double difficult for you because as a Taurus you are Venus-oriented naturally but then stupid overly combative, aggressive, masculine mars has to come and ruin it all doesn't it. Having Venus in Scorp or Aries I think would be one of the worst placements.

I've heard people say before that Venus in Virgo is a bad placement but everyone I've seen with that placement has an exceptional love life, including a fulfilling sex life.

posted March 07, 2005 09:40 PM         

"Regardless of the image you present to observers, underneath the surface is a calculating machine on which you count the advantages and disadvantages of every association or friendship, every social contact and social function.

You are usually well behaved and refined, but when you can not get what you want, you become extremely aggressive and demanding."

"Some selfishness is noted. However, if you are able to counteract this trait with your natural helpful and sympathetic attitude and address your positive qualities to resolve the problems of others then you will accomplish your highest spiritual duties and your degree of consciousness and perception will be expanded"

"You are urged to pause and reflect upon your own accumulated history. Take some time for introspection. It may result in a purification process accompanied by some remorse of conscience."

One of the Leo/Aqua guy's best friends, who has known him since they were 6 yrs old (he is now 29) abandoned him two years ago because he got tired of his 'antics' as the friend called them...feeling used, discarded, guilty, etc.

Sometimes I would feel this too but as I said it would only cultivate the guilt inside of me instead of pushing me to end the relationship. There was some strong captivating force that could not simply motivate me to end the relationship--till this day (the friendship), I will provide the Leo with whatever he demands--a shoulder, a hug, some money or whatever. It is too stressful to end it, might as well just pay my way out of it.

posted March 07, 2005 10:08 PM         

Venus in Aries has the reputation of being really raw, but it's not true. I don't like profanity or vulgarity at all. people are vulgar with me sometimes, and that bothers me. But yes I have Mars/Pluto too-Moon in the 8th, Mars conjunct Ascendant, Pluto making an aspect to the Ascendant, and for the next few years, Pluto in the 8th trines my Venus in Taurus (progressed). Says staying power in relationships I believe.

My ex was Moon in the first, Venus in the 5th, and very selfish, he and I had the same kind of relationship, as you do with your ex Leo, whenever he needed anything I had to be there or suffer the most terrible guilt.

Finally I put a stop to it one day by telling him that I was a relationship person and we didn't have one, and that he made me feel guilty. I still help him but only if he's sick, and he did pick me up from the hospital when I had my surgery
he makes a great Mom figure
I think Leos make great parents, this Leo has a son a Taurus, and a grandchild, and he is very good at playing proud parent. That I think is where Leos can be truly giving.

But if that doesn't happen all their energy gets bottled up and doesnt express itself.

I agree Venus in Aries and Scorpio are very tough on a woman, we need to live with someone, but we need to be independent too. Very difficult balance, but it can be done with the right mix of caring and nurturing friends, and artistic pursuits. For some reason I find living by the ocean very soothing and helpful, empty sometimes, but soothing, as if I can't run any farther.

When I am in the mountains I get very lonely, and I know it's not real, but I am a romantic anyway with that Venus in the 4th, same as Prince Charles, look at his new wife!

Now I did like Princess Diana, but Charles is all about the romance, and he tried to do the wife thing but couldnt' do it. He needed more, and so he got a mistress. Sometimes I think we should all have a mistress for a while, to experience the romance as well as the obligation.

That's the Venus in me, yes it's in Aries, but the 4th is a good position for romance I think, I can always fall in love again. I get a new crush every week, I used to hate that about myself, but now I embrace it because it makes me feel new again. It's not a hot and heavy kind of feeling, more like a Venus in Pisces, attitude.

It does make my life feel more empty when I am comimtted and so it's easy to take care of someone rather than truly be one. I remember that when I am taking care of my ex's problems, that it's easier and I am being lazy.

Now days I force myself to go out with someone new all the time, I never turn down a date because I may learn something, and if it's in any way romantic I am happy that way.

I don't want to experience new things, just the same old romantic feeling over and over again, as if I am here to learn how to love.

Don't know if you relate?

posted March 08, 2005 08:15 PM         

Sorry I havent been able to get around to replying. I have really no excuse except for the fact that I've been really lazy nowadays....or "relaxing" if that's what its called. I always thought that word was just a lame-o excuse for bumming around anyways.

I agree with the dislike for vulgarity or profanity. Nothing will get me turned off quicker than a guy who will use profanity and think its cool. Because its not; it just means you have no knack for expressing yourself, no eloquence, and a very limited vocabulary. What impresses me are people who are good writers; good speakers, people who can do something and have drive and ambition, and men who can touch you just the right way (its an art you know?). I'm not 'raw' but like I said in another post, I would definitely say that I've done a lot of character-building through 'sex'; its taught me a lot of lessons (the reason I have it in quotation marks is because the kind of physical relationships I have had have been anything but traditional sex. Do you find yourself in that kind of situation as well, if you feel comfortable answering?)

I've noticed that people with prominent aspects in the first house or to Neptune tend to be lying or manipulative, most of the time, without realizing it. I was reminded of that when you talked about your ex with Moon in the first.

I don't know about the Leos making great parents. I've seen GREAT Leo fathers but I have a Leo mother and she has been good and bad by turns; she used to be an extraordinary parent but now I would consider her not bad but not extraordinary, because she has ruined her good parent image by messing up a lot of things with all of us siblings. We all love her but resent her at least a little bit, except for my psycho Scorp sister. Anyhow I refuse to talk about her...it will p*ss me off too much today.

Thats funny that you mentioned the ocean: actually it scares me. My brother had a near-death experience when we were children, he almost drowned, but it was very horrifying (I was only 4 at the time but remember it quite clearly and have been terrified of the ocean ever since). Although I live near the coast I go there probably less than people further inland do. So far as the friends bit goes, I do have friends but have realized that most of my friends are not as selfless as I tend to be--or rather, STUPID, as in spending my money on people, going out of my way to do them favors, etc. So although they are my friends and I do hold them near and dear to my heart, they really are just that-friends, and I really do require total dedication in friendship because to me it is not casual (casualness is acquaintance....not friendship). Anyhow it may seem demanding, but yes, I am, and I accept that about myself in the friendship area because friends tend to cause me more stress than do good--with the exception of my very very good friends who have been with me through thick and thin. Yes its not easy being my friend, but the rewards are huge, and that's just the reality of it. I have few friends but I would say that they are more precious than everyone else around me combined together.

Well, I was quite surprised at your suggestion that we should all have a mistress...I dont know why I tend to be so conservative regarding family, I think I consider it sacred, although I don't hold to those standards by any means. That's why I don't plan on getting married; because marriage is not just an actual contract but it has many emotinoal implications to it which are absolute loyalty and trust. I cannot provide that to anyone anymore--too many people have broken my propensity to trust 100 percent, so I don't expect it from anyone in return, and I don't expect marriage in my life at least anytime soon. If I did get married I would hold to the sacredness of it--I have nothing against relationships but not when you are committed to a person by law, by morality, by whatever else you may consider marriage to be. Which is another complicated issue I guess.

I understand what you mean by wanting to feel romance over and over. Sometimes I think that but then I realize that what I am chasing is really not romance, because it is that feeling that one person gave to me; while other men may try to romance me, it requires some indulgence in illusion on my part for the romance equation to be complete, but I am not willing to. The only person I am willing to indulge in that fantasy/illusion with, is not willing to romance me. So romance, I would think, has not entered my life for a very long long time. I don't place any high value on it either...I am suspicious of people's motives and want them to prove their feelings with actual concrete actions rather than romance. Wow I'm really beginning to sound like a Taurus here although I think that you are the Taurus here.

posted March 09, 2005 12:55 AM         

As for sex, yes I find myself in less conventional arrangments, mainly i believe this is about proving love, on a higher level, it's idealizing. I usually do this when I have lost faith or need inspiration. The Mistress-sometimes I feel the men in my life want to be the Mistress-that is they are tired of working hard for my affection, and want to be romanced instead.

yes unconventional situations, those happen to me because I believe strongly in the experience of the moment, not my partners past or future. I have to be careful with myself. i do not see myself as having sex, more like experiencing the sexuality of my partner, on a higher level. I do not see sex as base, that is a difficulty for partners who like it that way!

So far as you can imagine most men in my life has some Pisces influence,

And my views on marriage are very similar to yours, but I do belive that marriage is possible, as all things are possible, leaving space for anything makes my mind and spirit happier.

No use trying to control the future, even though I have opinions, I do want to experience new things every day, with someone, rather than experience someone new everyday!

I once met an Aries who had sex with 1200 women, or so he claimed. His power of belief was so strong, the reality was his. What an obsession he must have had at one time! he said he could tell what type of underwear I was wearing because he knew women so well,
in that case, sex was power, I am not so happy with sex being used in ways like that.