posted April 13, 2005 03:25 PM         

Well that 'mystery' sign guy had to go and reveal his sign; I've only known him for about 4 months now but we are SO magnetically attracted to each other its crazy we cant stop talking/thinking/seeing each other. Every time he calls me our conversations degenerate into outright flirtatious romantic thingies and online he always has to have his and my webcam on and be oh so charming and flirtatious heheh hes yummie, hes the best looking man ive been with yet, not to mention we have such close ideas on religion, politics, everything.

Now of course the only problem is our culture clash; we both love our cultures but I love learning about other cultures too, I wouldnt mind assimilating some of his cultural identity if only I knew that hes going to commit.

I was bent on NOT finding out his sun sign as I didnt want to develop a bias to begin with. So I Didnt....until he revealed it himself (aaaah).

posted April 13, 2005 03:25 PM         

Hes an AQUA!!!!! aaah....ive had such bad experiences with Aquas before, lol, (refer to the Aqua men bashing thread lol). But you know theres something true blossoming here, if not love them a deep attraction coupled with friendship, so Im going to let it go for right now. Maybe I need to give Aquas another chance. Hes a sun/moon Aqua, and I have 3 planets in Gemini including my Sun, so I think hes totally attracted to me in every way right now.

Both of our Venuses are conjunct in Aries, and recently transiting Venus conjuncted both our natal Venuses. So it ended up in him and I confessing that we both basically have the hots for each other, and are SERIOUSLY interested in each other.

This Venus conjunct natal Venus is a great aspect Im tellin ya....totally rev up your love lives in it....its SO helpful.

Ok so heres the issue, I know its so hard to get Aquas to commit, but I have a Scorp moon (*horror music*), and I really need some sort of commitment. Yesterday he called me his love and his girl, he calls me baby and sweetie and honey all the time and tells me he likes me lots. But what I need is to hear the word love.

I know there are a lot of oppositions in our composite chart, Sun is conjunct venus in it and some other really good things going on, but its opposing Pluto and Uranus I believe, but Im not scared by composite charts (bleh), and besides I dont have his accurate birthtime.

With his and mine planetary placements, do you guys see a commitment coming anytime soon? Do you think it could be a long term relationship, or a short term fiery thing?

Btw jus be honest plz, I can deal with the short n fiery thing each has its own pluses u know...

Love
SG

posted April 13, 2005 03:26 PM         

PLANETARY POSITIONS
Sun Gemini 11°19'14 09
Moon Scorpio 23°55'14 02
Mercury Gemini 04°23'07 08/9
Venus Aries 26°02'52 07
Mars Gemini 24°57'16 09
Jupiter Aquarius 16°56'58 05
Saturn Scorpio 23°34'41 02
Uranus Sagittarius 16°11'25 03
Neptune Capricorn 02°48'46 03
Pluto Scorpio 02°21'25 01
True Node Taurus 18°07'52 08

HOUSE POSITIONS (Placidus)
Ascendant Libra 06°55'58
2nd House Scorpio 04°29'32
3rd House Sagittarius 05°06'18
Imum Coeli Capricorn 07°33'35
5th House Aquarius 09°57'32
6th House Pisces 10°13'43
Descendant Aries 06°55'58
8th House Taurus 04°29'32
9th House Gemini 05°06'18
Medium Coeli Cancer 07°33'35
11th House Leo 09°57'32
12th House Virgo 10°13'43

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HOTTIE (male) [not his real name ]
born on 14 Feb 1980 local time 04:00 pm
in Los Angeles, CA (US) U.T. 00+00
118w15, 34n03 sid. time 01:43:40

PLANETARY POSITIONS

posted April 13, 2005 04:47 PM         

That's going to be his big question, how are we going to show the love?

I believe your relationship has a good chance at love, it's up to you to keep the faith and believe in that everyday though. Lots of times he won't be able to answer you when you want to hear I love you. If he doesn't have a lot going on in his life and vice versa, it could work very well. Now that he calls you sweetie and honey, if you want love, you have to got to know where you want the relationship to go, as in absolutely, otherwise the word isn't about commitment.

I mean, I love to hear I love you, but I don't think it means that man is committed to me, there are other things he has to do. If you are able to express what you want to each other, with respect than you both will stay happy.

Good Luck and Congrats, not all Aquas are bad, some are very sweet and they do commit. They tend to like to be the man-make all the decisions.

Take Care,
Natasha

posted April 13, 2005 05:43 PM         

Nat the reason I want him to say it first is that, our communication is so awesome, and we have this little thing we say, or I should say, he has this little thing he says, if he asks me to do something that i dont want to do I usually go like um no wayyyyy honey and hes like plz plz plz! Come on you know I never back out on my word, and I'll do (this or that) if you do it for me thanks (these favors are usually like talking to him in the middle of a crowd or saying embarrassing things that he wants to make me say, lol.

So he has this phrase "Come on you know I never back out on my word", and Ive noticed that his word always comes first, before his action. I know that if he says he loves me, he will truly love me, as in take care of me, cherish me protect me want to live with me forever - kind of love me. If not, maybe he will be doing those things as a 'friend' and I will be misinterpreting them--you know how overly friendly and self sacrificing Aquas can be towards their pals. I dont want to be his pal I want to be his gal!

He already does care for me, constantly protect and nurture me in this older more mature Im the boss sort of way, yes he does like making decisions But his moon is in the sixth (Im guessing obviously since I put in an approx birthtime and dont know his accurate birthtime data), if thats true, then he will have significant care/service aspect to his love / with his partner.

Its not the action Im worried about; this man is so fixed and determined, hes one of the few Aquas I know that actually are pretty established and stable , most of them have some weird eccentric/unconventional attitude towards relationships and work, and never have stable jobs or long term gfs, but this one seems a bit different, which my Scorp moon likes, because I want him to be stable and be able to walk with me in that supportive way.

I like how Linda says in the Gem girl-Aqua man chapter in Love signs that "this girl will give him a taste of his own medicine". lol, how true her words can be! We were talking about exes...always a sensitive topic, and I went quiet when I heard how many relationships he had (it should have been expected, duh, hes an AQUA male), but I guess I still got quiet coz I didnt want to think that Im just going to be another one of those exes some day, and he sensed it immediately, but didn't say anything. Later on when we were together one of my exes called me and when he kept asking who it was I told him, and he said, well, we'll talk later about who you should and shouldn't talk to...

that really made me laugh more than it p!ssed me off because I thought, wow, he can get jealous and possessive too, and he doesnt want me talkin to my ex although I bet hes still 'good friends' with all of his, thats such an Aqua male thing to do.

But lets see how it goes, I want this to move beyond attraction, my only preoccupation at this point is that I dont want it to stay at the attraction/infatuation level, I want it to become love, and a long term relationship, this man is the only one whos made me laugh so hard after years. In the past few years I had learned to cry really hard and forgotten how to laugh but hes brought back that tinkerbell laugh and the Gemini sarcasm and weirdo sense of humor, hehe

I hope it works out, but I am trying to detach myself, dont want to fall too hard here, I know I am already in love, but I dont want to be his slave, if he finds that out, he will be taking me for granted, and may never fall in love.... those Aqua men are difficult, the more you pull back the more they are intrigued

If you guys have any other advice/comments, let me know

posted April 13, 2005 06:20 PM         

for your kind words

the truth is that i feel deep down i know him, like ive known him for years, i understand instantly what he means,

but one can always be deceived right? i mean i dont want to be dumped or find out hes not the way i thot he was...or that this was all for fun...in the end... that will be super painful

posted April 13, 2005 08:08 PM         

Sounds like a really significant connection.
I'm happy for you.
My advice (not that you need any, or even asked), is to follow your heart, and not get too caught up in the "what if"s and the "yeah, but"s, just let the relationship be whatever it is (or is not) meant to be.

posted April 14, 2005 02:17 AM         

Yesterday he came online angry at me coz I had refused to tell him why I was upset the day before, but we cleared things up.

Now just yesterday I got quiet when hearing about his exes, and now he's not online (hes supposed to come online circa 10 pm its been more than an hour that Ive been sitting up and waiting for him).

Gosh I feel like an idiot! Im pretty sure that he wouldnt miss the time unless it was on purpose, although stuff does come up, but just the other day he said, if I didnt like you so much I wouldnt be up this late always talking to you. So now that hes not here...Im guessing somethings wrong again

Shud I even wait for him longer...I dont know...I pretty much feel like he's not coming online at all tonight. Of course stupid me will still sit around till 12 or 1 probably to confirm that... I lost his number too (great) so I dont even know if I'll hear from him.

Gosh I hate ppl who make you wait and stand you up and bail out on you!

Yes I know its a turn in attitude since like today morning but what can I say, the hints seem pretty obvious to me.

posted April 14, 2005 08:18 PM         

I am a very timely organized kind of person. If I left even 5 minutes early he would be angry. He doesn't show up, no explanations, and Im not even allowed to be angry. How can someone be ur sweetie when they're not there for you when you need them most? Isnt that what relationships are about? Providing emotional support and fulfillment, instead of making you dependent and creating more emotional problems and drama?

Its unquestionable that we're so compatible, but Im beginning to question if he really cares for me from his heart, not just his head. Was this an act of vengefulness, forgetfulness, or playing the game to see if I care enough about him? I dont know and I dont care, I just want him to be open and honest, and care about me the way I care about him. That always seems to be too much for anyone to give to me. I dont know why.

posted April 14, 2005 08:27 PM         

SG, I would say something about him, when you talk, not about your feelings at first. Remind him that he is acting strangely and keep reminding him, until you get an answer why. Don't get angry if you can help it, or else you won't listen.

My issue with Aquas is trying to provoke a response, focus on your own feelings until the anger is passed, and then ask him the reason?

I would be more physical with him, that is talk in person, more often. And let him organize where and when you meet, this will make him feel more in control so he can express his feelings better when you both get there.

posted April 14, 2005 10:15 PM         

I want to talk to him openly and honestly, and I think I should, but unlike him and his natural charming way of putting things, Im going to have to think out rationally what Im going to say to him because I know the slightest wrong word could provoke him to anger.

I want to send him something but only if I can get his number or address and I can only get that information if I get to talk to him again. I lost my diary so I lost everyones numbers and only left with those whose I remember by heart. (Yes I have an old fashioned write in diary and I dont store numbers on my ph.... I just dont like it k )

I have no issue with him keeping his own times etc. as long as he takes the initiative to keep up the contact with me, why are Aqua men so difficult to pin down, there is no such thing as yes or no or 9 pm or 6 pm to them, its maybe, ok, whenever, yeah we'll see, then , there etc. This is what really bugs me, I want certainty, after having my heart broken by those wishy washy types I really hate the uncertainty and instability.

And he works in banking, always on top of things, has his own place and car etc. so you would think he has a sense of organization, time and structure?? Or at least thats what I thought.

Any thoughts on it?

Much appreciated,
SG

posted April 14, 2005 10:44 PM         

An aqua male friend of mine told me once that when he gets emotional, he gets quiet and listens. So maybe he's listening to himself about you? You do provoke him to think.

If he's in banking he's conservative, so his way around problems is to ignore them usually. If you are not problem solving and supportive he will probably talk. Be sure to get his number!

posted April 15, 2005 12:15 AM         

I thought I Wasnt as attached as I am, which really screwed me up. I thought a fiery little fling would be ok too, but I guess it developed into something more ... and now the fiery little fling thing isnt acceptable to me anymore..

posted April 15, 2005 08:03 AM         

Not everyone is there at the same time, you can tell if a man doesn't want to bond, there was an awful article in GQ recently that was for men "how not to bond emotionally" !

posted April 15, 2005 09:14 PM         

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Im going to have to think out rationally what Im going to say to him because I know the slightest wrong word could provoke him to anger.

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He already does care for me, constantly protect and nurture me in this older more mature Im the boss sort of way, yes he does like making decisions

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posted April 15, 2005 10:13 PM         

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Sun square Mars --
Unless there are other extremely positive aspects between your birth charts, it may be wiser to balance your mutual karma in another lifetime.
Venus opposed Pluto --
What did you two do to each other in one or more past lives? It had to be serious to be so strongly reflected now in this one through such a potent mutual karmic aspect.

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posted April 16, 2005 03:33 AM         

stay tuned,

thanks again

posted April 16, 2005 10:38 PM         

Well Im back, things arent as bad as I thought, he came online that day but 2 hrs before I did, and waited and left, and he had a timestamp on the website we both visit, but anyways I guess I missed him that day by a couple of hours...

The reason Im attributing so many things to him is coz I really am falling for this guy I think it may be true love more than infatuation now, because before I was really convinced that its not love but I cant seem to explain my feelings anymore to myself especially.

Well Azalaksh, I Dont believe in karma or other lives, but I get what you're saying with Venus / Pluto and Sun/Mars, the aspects that I thought were encouraging, were the sun/mars/merc trine (I have that group in Gem) and he has Moon and Sun in Aqua, and besides that our Venus Conjunct in Aries, and the Mars square which I heard creates sexual attraction and excitement (its in the Astro forum). Theres also a Moon/Mars trine (his moon/my mars). I checked again on his moon but astro.com still says its in Aqua.

Despite some of the glaring hard aspects (Venus/Pluto opp and Mars), for some reason even the conflict we have sort of bubbles down the way it was brought up, I can usually hold a pretty good grudge with that Moon and Pluto in Scorp but for some reason I cant stay mad at him, the minute he comes online I start smiling and laughing again. He can't seem to stay mad at me either... I was pretty hopeless the other day about what was going on, but I think Im going to give it another chance but be VERY cautious at the same time....

Well I dont think that he has temper problems (belive me I can tell temper problems, my ex husband was a major time abuser and he had epilepsy which made him have major mood swings leading to violence). What I meant is that if I speak without thinking sometimes Ill say the lighthearted silly things, he can want me to be serious, and in the process I step on his toes or irritate him and then he can get quiet and I can tell he's not happy, more than 'angry'.

I would totally agree though that he is a control freak. I guess when I go out looking for 'strong men' this is what I get, lol. All of my bfs ever have been macho men, but crybabies inside of course, but so far I've been good about putting my foot down...it must be my Uranus or Pluto aspects that make me like these kind of control freak ppl even though thats obviously not a good trait. I think it creates that kind of electric conflict that can be both exciting and unnerving...well that sounds kinda weird...but I hope you get it.

I guess I feel more grounded today...not as freaked out...I can tell he likes me , I may love him, not sure yet, but I know he doesnt love me as of yet. Well maybe he does, but Ive never had an Aqua love love me, or confess to it, and I dont know if this is typical in love behavior for them or not. He doesnt call that frequently, he doesnt email that frequently, but he likes to see me in person and talk to me online everyday, and I know from the timestamps that he sees my picture everyday too... Maybe hes trying to not fall in love, or maybe hes promiscuous? Or maybe, like many Aquas, he just has too much of a social life, which prevents him from really focusing/sacrificing his time for one person..

Either way I wish he would like me more intensely, but you can't make a person feel a certain way (I learned that lesson already, the hard way you betcha).

For the past couple of days we've been talking normally, he calls me his girl, but he doesnt seem too lovey dovey, I usually do most of the talking, and he just sort of hangs around, once again I Dont know if this is typical of the Aqua male or not, I think although we met recently its important that I keep meeting him every week or so, he seems more focused that way.

Btw Azalaksh thank u so much, Im not refuting your reading, but I guess trying to see why it is that right now theres such a magnetic bond. Btw how did you get the Fixed Air/Mutable Air thing? According to astro.com Im mainly Scorpio then Gemini, mainly water then air, mainly fixed then mutable. Also, for him: Mainly Aqua then Scorpio, mainly fixed then mutable, and a tie for water and air. I guess there are some commonalities there with the modalities and elements, and the Scorp part (probably explains why we cant stay away from each other theres this incredible sexual energy that jus like goes ZAPPPP in between us at all times even when hes quiet or Im not happy or something).

I dont see a hard aspect between the Saturns yet so Im hopeful, read in various places thats the indicator for long term vs short term, while uranus is more conflict and excitement, and pluto = power and sex. Well lets see....

I will keep you all updated, now I Feel like starting a thread called 'Seduce an Aqua' kind of like Seduce a Scorpio thread that was goin on in Astro forum. lol.

posted April 16, 2005 11:41 PM         

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posted April 17, 2005 12:20 AM         

I thank you much Azalaksh, although I think Im confused/lost/dizzy enough without the crazy rotating blue man.... hes like a tad and a half scary...as if hes laughing at me... grrr!

I leave the thread before I Fall down and faint...