posted May 12, 2006 10:36 PM         

I would feel like I was destined to be with him, and he himself would say we were meant for each other.

Things have sort of turned for the worse, however, and I don't know if this is a situation that will clear up eventually or if we're seriously going to leave each other for this. I have depression, which is controllable most of the time when I'm really trying. But in the last few weeks I've been thinking about all the things in the past he's put me through, and eventually it all built up and I had an emotional outburst on him. He's been perfect in the last few months, so finally we're having a huge fight that isn't Scorpio's fault.

Now he's telling me that I'm too clingy and needy(I'm a Cancer, HELLO), that he doesn't want to feel obligated to be with me, even though he was always the one to talk of marriage and kids, and living together. He ignores me now and I know how he needs space in times like this to think things out, but it's just so hard for me not to talk to him. I've already apologized and made attempts to redeem myself so I could stop doing the things I do that ruin it.

I've gotten so depressed about this I've been having thoughts of suicide, and I can't stand it when I think like that because it doesn't help anything.

I just want to fix this up; this isn't the first time something like this has happened but this time I'm putting forth an honest effort to change this. He's saying he's sick of the way I act...

So if anyone can offer me some astrological insight, or any kind of insight at all, that would be great... but you don't have to. I just don't know what to do at this point.

MINE
Planetary positions
Sun Cancer 17°15'46 03 direct
Moon Taurus 22°25'54 12 direct
Mercury Gemini 26°17'55 02 direct
Venus Gemini 14°20'21 01 direct
Mars Pisces 27°49'48 11 direct
Jupiter Taurus 27°41'04 12/1 direct
Jupiter is technically near the end of house 12 and is interpreted in house 1.
Saturn Sagittarius 27°54'04 08 retrograde
Uranus Sagittarius 28°17'44 08 retrograde
Neptune Capricorn 08°34'29 08 retrograde
Pluto Scorpio 09°47'33 06 retrograde
True Node Pisces 16°00'54 11 retrograde

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Taurus 29°48'04
2nd House Gemini 24°21'58
3rd House Cancer 15°14'33
Imum Coeli Leo 07°20'41
5th House Virgo 05°12'27
6th House Libra 13°56'48
Descendant Scorpio 29°48'04
8th House Sagittarius 24°21'58
9th House Capricorn 15°14'33
Medium Coeli Aquarius 07°20'41
11th House Pisces 05°12'27
12th House Aries 13°56'48

Major aspects
Sun Sextile Moon 5°10
Sun Trine Pluto 7°28
Moon Sextile Mars 5°24
Moon Conjunction Jupiter 5°15
Moon Conjunction Ascendant 7°22
Mercury Square Mars 1°32
Mercury Opposition Saturn 1°36
Mercury Opposition Uranus 2°00
Mars Sextile Jupiter 0°09
Mars Square Saturn 0°04
Mars Square Uranus 0°28
Mars Sextile Ascendant 1°58
Jupiter Quincunx Saturn 0°13
Jupiter Quincunx Uranus 0°37
Jupiter Conjunction Ascendant 2°07
Saturn Conjunction Uranus 0°24
Saturn Quincunx Ascendant 1°54
Uranus Quincunx Ascendant 1°30
Neptune Sextile Pluto 1°13

HIS
Planetary positions
Sun Scorpio 10°50'26 02 direct
Moon Aries 17°11'32 08 direct
Mercury Libra 28°00'11 02 retrograde
Venus Scorpio 29°48'54 03 direct
Mars Libra 16°46'23 02 direct
Jupiter Aries 22°33'28 08 retrograde
Saturn Sagittarius 18°49'59 04 direct
Uranus Sagittarius 24°20'09 04 direct
Neptune Capricorn 05°50'11 04 direct
Pluto Scorpio 09°56'29 02 direct
True Node Aries 01°56'56 07 retrograde

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Virgo 15°47'04
2nd House Libra 15°46'01
3rd House Scorpio 16°35'39
Imum Coeli Sagittarius 16°41'19
5th House Capricorn 16°06'40
6th House Aquarius 15°46'47
Descendant Pisces 15°47'04
8th House Aries 15°46'01
9th House Taurus 16°35'39
Medium Coeli Gemini 16°41'19
11th House Cancer 16°06'40
12th House Leo 15°46'47

Major aspects
Sun Sextile Neptune 5°00
Sun Conjunction Pluto 0°54
Sun Sextile Ascendant 4°57
Moon Opposition Mars 0°25
Moon Conjunction Jupiter 5°22
Moon Trine Saturn 1°38
Moon Trine Uranus 7°09
Moon Quincunx Ascendant 1°24
Mercury Opposition Jupiter 5°27
Mercury Sextile Uranus 3°40
Mars Opposition Jupiter 5°47
Mars Sextile Saturn 2°04
Jupiter Trine Saturn 3°43
Jupiter Trine Uranus 1°47
Saturn Conjunction Uranus 5°30
Saturn Square Ascendant 3°03
Neptune Sextile Pluto 4°06
Pluto Sextile Ascendant 5°51

posted May 13, 2006 12:52 AM         

No need to feel suicidal! Things will get better! Cancer and Scorpio do well together... But you see... A Scorpio can hurt someone very easily. You being a Cancer, you hurt very easily...

Are you jelous? Some Cancers are very jelous... that may upset him... but he is good at understanding your heart and soul...

Keep your head up... and if the relationship is going nowhere... you have to let him go for the sake of your own sanity!

Cheers,

posted May 13, 2006 12:08 PM         

Hi.
Pleased to meet you.

This guy sounds intense:
Sun in Scorpio Conjunct Pluto by less than a degree!

If this guy isnt a monk,
he could pretty easily be a murderer.

That Virgo Ascendant, with the square to Saturn, has got to make him pretty prickly at times. Virgo is the most self-sufficient of the signs, and often the most indifferent to others.

And Moon in Aries isnt the most evolved placement. It's not encouraging, in light of the Scorpio emphasis. Especially, when you consider that close opposition to Mars
(which is also the Moon sign ruler):

"The opposition between the Moon and Mars shows continuous crises in relationships because it is so hard for you to compromise. You get into disputes about the most insignificant matters. Your personality is sparkling and outgoing, but feelings are intense, and you are quick to strike back when criticized. You meet people easily and eagerly. This eagerness often gets you involved with individual with whom you have little in common. Permanent relationships are difficult for you to cultivate. This is partly because of the individuals to whom you are attracted, and in part because you become so overbearing and dominating. You become emotionally pushy and intolerant of anyone who refuses to submit to your demands. In business you meet competition well, but have difficulty dealing with authority. You have trouble following the rules."
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/moonaspects.html

I dont see any strong Venus or Jupiter aspects
(besides the conjunction with the Moon,
which could be problematic in Aries and the 8th house)
to counter-act the negative aspects in his chart, either.
Venus is weak in the 3rd, and
it doesnt appear to be aspecting anything!!
No thank you.

And, from what you've said yourself,
he sounds to me like a total jerk, anyway.
I wouldnt get too down on yourself.
I think you just dodged a bullet there.
Sorry, I know you care for him.

And I know it hurts now,
but it does get easier,
and it can make you a stronger,
and a better person.

You deserve to be treated like the angel you are,
and not made to feel inadequate, or "clingy",
on account of being an exceptionally caring individual,
to whom relationship is a major priority.
If it is not a priority to him, fine, -
you are not suited to one another.
But don't let him convince you that something is wrong with you
just because you can love and need someone other than yourself.

I've experienced depression and suicidal thoughts,
and I sympathize and empathize with you there.
Please, take it seriously, and seek help
from someone other than this person with
whom you are experiencing so much drama.

I wish you the best.

HSC
Sun/Venus/MC/Uranus in SCORPIO (Pisces Decan)
Aqua Moon intercepted in the 1st
Cappy Ascendant

posted May 13, 2006 06:15 PM         

Yea, his sister thinks he's a saint - he's fed starving families in Vietnam and stopped countless friends from committing suicide.

He also wants to start a genocide and thinks he's the reincarnation of Hitler(and it didn't help that I told him Nostradamus predicted the third Anti-Christ to be Asian or Muslim. )

I feel kind of bad for him. He's never had a good, normal relationship. You should hear some of the horror stories about things girls have put him through. And the way it's described, it sounds like no one could ever love him, unless they're completely passive.

I'm not passive.

*sigh* His intensity is part of why I love him. And I DID sort of go off the wall this time... Really, he did nothing wrong, at least not recently. So now he's just really hurt and expecting the world to end. I'm just going to leave him alone for a while... guess I'm going to the damn prom by myself.

posted May 14, 2006 11:57 AM         

Let's be reasonable here.
Let's say what we mean,
and stand by what we've said.

You know very well, you did not say that he is simply envious of THE POWER Hitler possessed. That is something every goth or emo kid in the world has fantasized about at least once.

YOU SAID, he believes he is the incarnation of Hitler,
and wants to start a genocide.

(There is an underworld of difference between the two.)

So which is it?
Were you just trying to shock us?
Or, is this person, whom you claim to love,
really the psychopath you just described him as?

I just want to get real for a second,
if that's possible.

Are you familiar with the definition of that word, "genocide"?

How about the word "wants"?

If I focused on the bad, it is because the ambition to exterminate whole populations of people is not something that can be swept under the rug by a weekend roughing it in the tropics once, handing out carrots. (Or whatever.)

This isnt a matter of overlooking a "touch of grey", kiddo.
This is a jet black hole, intent upon devouring every good thing in its wake.

There's an awful lot I am willing to let slide. A nasty overbite, poor table manners, occassional flares of temper, small signs of inconsiderateness, poor listening skills, etc... but, identifying with Adolph Hitler and "the Antichrist", and taking pleasure in imagining oneself as the engineer of holocausts, is literally sick. Period. I dont know about you, but I'm going to need a MUCH thicker pair of rose-tinted glasses for this one.

Putting food in a few starving mouths doesnt make you a saint, it makes you a semblence of a human being. But, wanting to cause horrific suffering and death to whole countrysides of innocents, is more than a minor character flaw, honey. It's called "psychopathology". Look that one up, too, while you are at it.

I'm sorry. I dont like to use such aggressive language. But you seem SERIOUSLY deluded to me, and, if someone doesnt hit you over the head with the truth, chances are, any day now, your dream guy is going to walk in and hit you over the head with something far more blunt than that!

Consider yourself fairly warned.

Sincerely,
One of the Good Guys

p.s. -

Question:
What kind of a person has countless suicidal friends, anyway? -
If he is such a great friend,
why do all his friends eventually start contemplating suicide?!?!?

posted May 14, 2006 12:20 PM         

And he doesn't make his friends suicidal, if he sees someone that has a problem he'll talk to them and help them out, and from that they become his friends. Also, he's been through a lot in his life so I guess he connects more with people who have experienced a very tough path like he has.

posted May 14, 2006 12:22 PM         

Saturn is currently at 5.42 degrees in Leo

Saturn .. by transiting aspect ..

*Sun Scorpio 10°50'26 02 direct* .. will be starting to square his natal Sun ..
*Pluto Scorpio 09°56'29 02 direct* .. will be squaring his natal Pluto placement ..

*Pluto Scorpio 09°47'33 06 retrograde* .. and squaring your natal Pluto placement ..
( ditto for your peer group )
*Imum Coeli Leo 07°20'41* .. and will be conjoining your Imum Coeli ..

some info re: transits in astrology ..
* http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/009073.html *

posted May 14, 2006 12:28 PM         

Very big of you.

Appreciated.

posted May 14, 2006 12:45 PM         

And you're having trouble figuring this out?

I'm sorry, I have to admit, this offends me on a personal level. There are so many sweet, awesome, great guys out there, knocking themselves out to keep their girlfriends happy. Just imagine, for a moment, how unbelievably infuriating it must be for us, to listen to nice girls like you, always making excuses for their creepy boyfriends, and wondering what on earth to do with them. Look around. I don't know if you noticed, but, we are, after all, the only ones listening.

posted May 14, 2006 12:54 PM         

Girl/Water already said how jealous she is, that's a problem it's not a good thing in a relationship especially since it makes the person who feels jealous feel bad.

But some people accept the way they feel, it's a work in progress.

Don't open yourself up to feeling someone's pain

posted May 15, 2006 02:55 PM         

Just some thoughts:

If it is Power he is after,
let him be reminded of the Power
that resides in Love, and not Fear.

Teach him the difference between REAL,
and merely apparent Power.
Tell him that Power over oneself is
incomparably superior to power over others.
If he is inclined to be envious and covetous,
let him learn to envy Christ, or Gandhi,
and to covet True, spiritual, authority.

posted May 15, 2006 04:15 PM         

these two aspects are the strongest in his chart ..

*Sun Conjunction Pluto 0°54* .. in scorpio ..
*Moon Opposition Mars 0°25* .. aries and libra ..

.. they be the closest to 'exact' in orb ..
i.e. they have the smallest numbers in the 'degrees' data ..
.. in theory the aspect effect is strongest at a close orb ..
(ditto for transit aspects .. especialy when 'applying' .. i.e. building up to 'exact' )

both natal aspects would potentialy lend to a volatile angry intense controlling personality .. at times ..
( .. maybe keep an eye on his Mars transits .. and yours .. those should forewarn you ..)

anyhow .. that Saturn transit .. .. it will reach 10 degree Leo by very start of july '06 ...
but ... it doesn't go retrograde for quite some time .. and when it does .. it does not get back as far as 10. Leo ..
(i've no idea what else may be occuring by transit in your respective 'lists' .. i just happened to spot that one ..)

posted May 15, 2006 04:31 PM         

I'm not sympathsizing with him anymore. I'm tired of this. Although he has never physically cheated on me, there have always been other girls in the background(they were girls on the internet, embarrassingly enough). He's insecure, and I can understand that, but I can't help someone that's hurt me so many times. I'm sure he'll be relieved as well when this is over anyhow.

posted May 15, 2006 05:15 PM         

I'm really happy to hear this.

You deserve so much better.
This is an act, and a confirmation,
of love for yourself.
And it's a beautiful thing.

take care,
hsc