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GeminiLover75
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posted November 26, 2006 02:04 AM           Edit/Delete Message
How important is ascendant compatibility? I know that how two people's suns and moons work together is an important part of how they relate to each other, but I'm wondering how the ascendant works. Is the ascendant compatibility less important? If the ascendant is how we present ourselves to the world, does it only affect a relationship in its early stages? How does it work?

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sue g
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posted November 26, 2006 04:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Hope this helps:

Oh these only give asc/asc aspects,,,,did you mean other aspects to the asc too? If you google "aspects to the asc synastry" you should find loads of stuff...!!

Ascendant Aspects

Ascendant conjunct Ascendant: The ascendant often has to do with first impressions that we get from others. This shows that the two of you tend to see the world in the same way and have similar visceral responses to likes and dislikes. While this may seem like a favorable indication for a relationship, too much similarity tends to create stagnation and lack of interest. Since the purpose of any relationship is spiritual growth, this combination would probably only survive if there is greater contrariety in the other indicators.

Ascendant trine/sextile Ascendant: This combination shows that the two people involved have similar likes and dislikes and have a favorable first impression of each other. This combination tends to create more interest and excitement than the conjunction, helping each to expand and add to their understanding of the world. Reciprocation of favors comes easily and this is excellent for teamwork or any partnership because the other person is capable of taking over where the first left off.

Ascendant opposite/square Ascendant: This combination tends to create a certain amount of friction. This is because the two of you tend to have contrary likes and dislikes and react differently to the same stimuli, but tend to favor the same issues. For instance, you might both love baseball but one of you is a Phillies fan and the other is a Mets fan. This is not a confirmation that there would or should be no relationship! This combination shows that each of you can learn a great deal from the other if both of you are willing to compromise a little. First impressions might tend to be slightly unfavorable.

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GeminiLover75
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posted November 26, 2006 05:03 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Oh thank you! My bf and I have trine ascendants and that does describe us - thanks! I want to do some more research into how ascendants work in synastry so I will definitely look some more into this!!

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Glaucus
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posted November 28, 2006 10:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"Ascendant opposite/square Ascendant: This combination tends to create a certain amount of friction. This is because the two of you tend to have contrary likes and dislikes and react differently to the same stimuli, but tend to favor the same issues. For instance, you might both love baseball but one of you is a Phillies fan and the other is a Mets fan. This is not a confirmation that there would or should be no relationship! This combination shows that each of you can learn a great deal from the other if both of you are willing to compromise a little. First impressions might tend to be slightly unfavorable."

I strongly disagree with that one. Well..the ascendant oppose ascendant.

I don't believe that it should be interpreted that negatively.

Ascendant oppose Ascendant is the same as Ascendants conjunct each other's descendants.
That means that person,self merge,fuse with each other's relationship,partnership stuff.

Ascendant and Descendant are opposite points
Ascendant is 1st house cusp,and Descendant is 7th house cusp


page 142 of Reinhold Ebertin's COSMIC MARRIAGE

You will very often find that the ascendants in the partner's charts lie opposite one another,so that the marriage house of the one partner coincides with the ascendant of the other, that in a certain respect the individual's personality is merged with that of the other, the thou, his alter ego.


my girlfriend's Ascendant in 13'43 Pisces opposes my Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo with 16 minutes of arc,and they contraparallel with 6 minutes of arc. That also means her 13'43 Virgo Descendant conjuncts my 13'27 Virgo Ascendant and my 13'27 Pisces Descendant conjuncts her 13'43 Pisces Ascendant. Her Ascendant parallels my Descendant with 6 minutes of arc. My Ascendant parallels her Descendant with 6 minutes of arc.

oppositions to ascendant are same as conjunctions to descendant

oppositions to midheaven are same as conjunctions to IC

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GeminiLover75
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posted November 28, 2006 10:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message
That's so interesting, Glaucus!

In my case, my ascendant is the cusp of my bf's 9th and his ascendant is the cusp of my 5th.

Our ascendants are trine.

His sun is opposite my ascendant, so it's also the cusp of my 7th house.

I have nothing at all to do with the cusp of his 7th house (although I do have two planets actually IN his 7th house) so I guess he won't marry me... haha. Cusp of his 7th is Libra and I'm a Taurus, so I'm ruled by the same planet but other than that, I have Pluto in Libra and that's all. Not sure if that means anything.

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GeminiLover75
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posted November 28, 2006 11:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message
btw those are nice-looking charts - where did you get them?

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Glaucus
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posted November 28, 2006 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

I did it with my Solar Fire program.

I can make you charts if you want.

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comica23
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posted November 29, 2006 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message
There's something interesting.. normally, if your ascendants oppose each other, then each other's houses that holds the opposite energies might be in contact with each other (for example, A's 2nd house will be with B's 8th house). In my case, I have a 8th house stellium, and it contacts with my bf's 2nd house (our ascendants doesn't conjunct, but both IC's conjuncts with each other's MC).
I dunno how to describe it thought.. ^_^;
But for me, opposite force can be complementary in some way. They have something similiar, yet each has what other lack of.


*edited 27-10-2010* Some time ago, I've just discovered that me and my bf actually have opposed ACs and MCs in opposed signs. I also disagree with the initial post's description about the AC opposition, as it is a complementary aspect and definitely different from the square aspect. It is also a sign of both being each other's ideal partner.

Personally, what I feel is that we are opposite in some things but similar in many things too.


AC compatibility in my opinion do mean a lot, as it represents our general personalities, outlooks and likes.

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GeminiLover75
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posted November 29, 2006 02:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Glaucus, I'd love it!

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Glaucus
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posted November 29, 2006 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

please email me

astynaz@yahoo.com

I will email you the charts.

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BlueEyes24
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posted December 01, 2006 12:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I really don't think Ascendant/Ascendant aspects are all that important...Except I do agree with Glaucus that Asc opposing the other's Asc is a huge attraction indicator.

I think ASC aspects to the sun, moon, venus, etc. are more important in a love relationship. Same reason why the sun's aspects to the moon & venus are more potent in attraction than a sun/sun trine, etc.

BUT, having Ascendants in a comptabile sign or element can help a relationship.

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Glaucus
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posted December 02, 2006 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I believe that Ascendant-Ascendant aspects are important. Ascendant,Sun,Moon are the big 3.

My grandfather's ascendant was conjunct my stepgrandmother's ascendant with 3 to 4 degree orb

also ascendant conjunct ascendant is also the same as descendant conjunct descendant....descendant is the relationship cusp. That's similar to venus conjunct venus. after all descendant is the 7th house cusp,and its ruled by Venus.


I also feel that Midheaven/IC axis is overlooked too much in synastry too.

conjunctions to IC can be strong emotional,unconscious connections. IC is the 4th house cusp ruled by the Moon.

conjunctions to MC are the same as oppositions to the IC. Those can indicate strong emotional,unconscious connections.

MC-IC aspects can be powerful deep unconscious ties.....depending on the orb......that's with any aspect.

I don't believe aspects between angular axises should be overlooked.


Ascendant square Ascendant can indicate significant personality conflicts

"BUT, having Ascendants in a comptabile sign or element can help a relationship."

if they are in actual aspect to each other, that can help a relationship even more. after all the closer the orb the aspect,the stronger the influence.


If you have ascendants in incompatible sign or element, that can be a problem with different outlooks in life and relationship stuffs and cause personality issues

if they are in aspect, those issues can even be stronger...especially in close aspect.


My Virgo Ascendant was squaring a gal's Sagittarius Ascendant with 1'04 orb. She and I had significant differences there were personality conflicts which made Venus conjunct Mars with 4 minutes of arc meaningless for long term relationship. She and I both had Moon in Pisces too.


I notice that there is not much emphasis on house placements in this forum. House placements are very important. house placements are more personal than a lot of aspects..especially when it comes to outer planets. A person's Moon in another's 8th house is more personal than than a person's Moon aspect to another person's Pluto. A person's Venus in another's 9th house is more personal than a person's Venus aspect to another's Jupiter.
A person's Sun in another's 12th house is more personal than a person's Sun in aspect to another's Neptune.

I also feel that free will is the ultimate factor. I am not going to fall in love with somebody who sleeps around,is not spiritually oriented,racist,and has 3 children even though her Moon is conjunct my Sun,her Sun is conjunct my Venus,and we have Ascendant oppose Ascendant.


people have preferences

If a white woman person doesn't believe in interracial relationships and has strong Southern USA roots that includes racism and bigotry, she's not going to want to be with me even though her Venus is conjunct my Mars and her Moon is trine my Sun because I am part Black.

btw..my girlfriend is white, and so we are in an interracial relationship.

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darkdreamer
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posted December 03, 2006 04:31 AM           Edit/Delete Message
I very much agree.

I think, ascendant-compatibility is very important.
My best friend and her husband share an ascendant-ascendant-opposition and contraparallel, and it is a very complementary aspect.
Personally I think, ascendant-aspects shouldn`t be underestimated.
I know someone, whose Sun and moon is incompatible with mine (semisextile and square-sign; but no close aspects), but our ascendants are in compatible signs, and my Sun is sextile his ascendant and my Moon is conjunct his ascendant. And it feels very good. As if there`s a deeper understanding, despite all those differences between us.


" also feel that free will is the ultimate factor. I am not going to fall in love with somebody who sleeps around,is not spiritually oriented,racist,and has 3 children even though her Moon is conjunct my Sun,her Sun is conjunct my Venus,and we have Ascendant oppose Ascendant"
I would like to second that. That is so important and shouldn`t be ignored.
It`s all about preferences.
I know an example from my very own experience (Maybe you have read that story I posted a long time ago).
I "know" a musical-singer, who definitely is gay.
So it doesn`t matter, that my Venus is conjunct his Venus and Eros, that my Pluto is conjunct his Mars, and that his Mars is square my Venus and my Pluto is square his Venus.
Well, those are not the most lighthearted aspects anyway, but they could point towards a very strong attraction. Venus-Mars, Venus-Pluto, Mars-Pluto - if these aspects were in a synastry between lovers I`d assume there is a lot of passion with a very rough edge between them.
But in this particular case this interpretation doesn`t fit, only because our preferences are so different (well, not that different, since we obviously both love men. *grinning*).
However, those aspects still play a role; but they maybe just mean that he shakes my emotions quite a little bit, a totally onesided thing.
So it all depends on preferences, being at the right place at the right time, free will.

DD

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BlueEyes24
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posted December 03, 2006 08:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message
Oh I know that they can be significant.....I guess I should have worded what I said different. I'm just saying that I'd rather have significant sun/moon, moon/asc, sun/asc, venus/moon aspects over having my ASC conjunct another's ASC WITHOUT those aspects between the sun and moon, etc.

My boyfriend's ASC is Scorpio and mine is Sag, but we have similar preferences in relationships and life- I have very strong Scorpio influence (Scorpio moon & venus both conjunct pluto).

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Glaucus
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posted December 03, 2006 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I understand

Scorpio Venus and Moon in the same sign as his Scorpio Ascendant helps

My Pisces Moon is in the same sign as my girlfriend's Pisces Ascendant.

I agree with the importance of Sun conjunct Moon. My Scorpio Sun does conjunct her Scorpio Moon as well as her Saturn, and my Pisces Moon trines that...helps ease the hardness of the Saturn conjunction which is not necessarily bad..definitely can be good for security,stability,seriousness,and loyalty..Saturn is also her 11th house ruler,so friendship. my 11th house ruler(Moon)trines her 11th house ruler(Saturn)so strong emphasis on friendship.

I feel that our strongest aspect of all is her Pisces Ascendant oppose my Virgo Ascendant because it's very tight orb of 16 minutes of arc, and they also contrparallel with 6 minutes of arc. so her Ascendant/Descendant axis is an eclipse with my Ascendant/Descendant axis and a very tight one at that...a very powerful connection

Her Moon trines and parallels my Moon...a bilevel Moon....very strong emotional connection.

I love her Taurus Venus trine my Virgo Ascendant with 3 minutes of arc.....that's definitely a love,relationship connection and a very strong one....that's the closest major aspect in our synastry. It's also a strong 9th harmonic aspect(trinovile)and it appears as a 30 minute Venus conjunct Ascendant in 9th harmonic synastry which Vedic Astrologers use for marriage.

I agreed with what you said, BlueEyes

same with you, DD

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posted October 24, 2010 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Master_Zeromus     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with most of the topic and replies added. But the Midheaven I think is the most importand. What about ascendant to ascendant aspects quincunx and semi-sextile? What if they share compatible Midheaven? Ascendants in conjunction is brother and sister relationships whereas ascendants in sextile or trine is cousin relationships. A Virgo with Aries Ascendant ain't that bad and a Sag with Taurus Ascendant isn't that extroverted. But the Moon, Mars and Jupiter signs has to be compatible regardless of what. Similar emotional needs, interests and philosophy of life helps. Venus in Cancer or Capricorn adds some fidelity too.

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posted October 24, 2010 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scorpio17     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know with asc. It can be such a smoke curtain. It's takes a while to see the person behind the asc. Some say the asc is the cover of the book. And that can be quite delusive. I often see people in realationships where one's asc fits the sun sign. Are these real? Like i said the asc can a be difficult thing. Well, if it was easy it might be boring.

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