posted December 04, 2006 12:53 PM         

All that aside.....discovering a seemingly wonderful person's true colors always sucks. Losing faith in them, especially if you love them, always sucks. But they say what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger and I hope you become a stronger person because of this.

posted December 04, 2006 01:08 PM         

There are many people here, many personalties, beliefs, struggles and to jump all over a guy for his, is just, sad.
I ascertained a lot about each of you from your posts. And I ascertained a lot about Glaucus, and he's a very sensitive man, with a very sensitive past, and to not see that, to jump on him, for being who he always has been, a man who's tried to share himself, and give his heart, is just, self serving. Because you are deriving some sort of gratification from "telling him". And, that's how I see it. If we can't be ourselves here, or anywhere else for that matter, then who should we be?

And you guys hit below the belt on him. Where it hurts. At a place he's been struggling to come to grips with for a long time, and that IS SAD.

I'm sorry, Glaucus.

And, I'm not going to go back and forth on this either. I have spoken. Glaucus, I wish, I just wish you could adopt that attitude. But, alas, you're not me. Though, I am sensitive but not when harsh, incorrect, criticism, that had nothing to do with the person(s) in the first place, is unloaded on me. I just roll my eyes at that kind of stuff and keep on going. Because in the end, they're the ones with the issues, not me. Or YOU. And please believe that.

posted December 04, 2006 01:25 PM         

At what point does being yourself have to become considering others? Clearly with all he has given there is a lovely heart beating in that chest, but there are more hearts here, and only one of them was broken in this instance.

Which needed more care at that moment?

Consider that.

Also I have not responded to anyone or allowed sides to be taken, I have simply made my own argument. He is a sensitive man, and ganging up would be childish and wrong. My addresses were seperate.

Others seem to have reacted to their own experience of provocation.

posted December 04, 2006 01:28 PM         

No one is gaining up on him this was long over due as far as I am concerned..Yes he brings alot of knowledge as so forth but so that does not mean that he can be rude and I have seen him do it with my own eyse and then turn it around and play the victim role.

And as far as him being sensetive hey that might be true that is even more reason to be cautious is to how you talk and deal with ppl. Its alot of sensetive ppl on this board as matter of fact..

Just like he feels free to speak how he feels about ppl calling folks a bunch of something I have the right to speak how I feel as well. And so does any one else here. No one asked him to leave either that was his choice..And I am not gone go back and forth with this either only the civilized ppl that want to keep the peace and be cooperative last on here anyway..

I am not trying to offend anyone or start any trouble cause that is not who I am and I bet you that you can't find one post with me into with anyone, But I call a spade a spade and I am not afraid to speak up about it..

I wish that he would stay on but if he wants to leave thats his choice..

posted December 04, 2006 08:11 PM         

Yes, his first post wasn't harsh or mean but he got a little defensive when Seven only asked for guidance and support. I understand that maybe he was little irritated because he thought that she was overlooking what he had said. But he needs to understand that it was not the case.

posted December 05, 2006 05:09 AM         

Don't get sucked in darling.

posted December 05, 2006 07:04 AM         

No-one is bullying Glaucus. That's the point. He got incredibly sensitive about the assumptions he was making WHILE telling other people they should be open to tough love.

Is the irony of that lost on some people?
He's not a bad chap, in fact none of us involved are.

Passive aggressive? No, it's merely holding back and trying to maintain some integrity rather than getting into an all out shouting (writing) match.

I visit GU sometimes, and THAT is aggression pure and simple. Not this.

The fact that the people who like him and know him the best on the forum have actually asked him to consider his view on this might just show that perhaps it wasn't Glaucus being picked on at all.

If you actually study my posts you will see that it was his response to someone that I referred to, how he engages people with those long interpretations of his is his business, I haven't got the knowledge of the aspects and what have you to argue with that.

It's the attitude he displayed when he had upset someone. He pounced on them as you accuse other people of doing to him. When it was suggested that perhaps he was being a bit strong-handed and wouldn't like that treatment himself he started to explode and prove that he is sensitive himself. He threatened to not help anyone again and then went off. He didn't have to start a thread on it......

This has happened before and people have let it slide. I have gently tried to introduce the point to him, because I was sensitive to people perhaps being stung by his all too often rebukes when his brilliance and altruism wasn't recognised and disputed. I respected his sensitivity by being "passive-aggressive". Believe me, if he wasn't prone to being hurt it might have come out VERY differently, but only if justified of course (which it rarely is on this forum to be honest).

Study this exchange properly and you will see that it progressed towards what it did after Glaucus kept telling everyone how angry he was, and continually assuming he was being attacked when he wasn't.

He managed to make this all about him just as I said. Is that the price for his kindness? I don't see Tim Wilson reacting like this, or any of the others who have helped people here long before Glaucus.

posted December 05, 2006 08:32 AM         

I myself get tired of seeing this person's posts always reciting his various aspects and house placements with his girlfriend. They're posted all over the friggin' place on here. So, I just got in the habit of skipping over these posts!

posted December 05, 2006 09:58 AM         

Swerve, I could not have said it better. (First-hand experience here)

posted December 05, 2006 10:15 AM         

We are actually very similar in some respects - I am Pisces Sun and Scorpio Moon and he is Scorpio Sun and Pisces Moon.

Maybe there's an unconscious clash there? Or maybe we can read each other a little more clearly.....

posted December 05, 2006 10:45 AM         

I just wanted to tell ya I noticed that someone pointed out that you have Venus opposite Saturn...I have a tight natal Venus / Saturn square myself. This aspect alone is why you won't tolerate cheating! It's a chastening aspect, and you need a partner who is going to understand that about you or you don't open up fully, intimately. I know from personal experience. In addition you have Moon/Pluto (I have a Moon/Pluto square; you have the conjunction if I'm not mistaken) and this just intensifies the crap outta your consciousness (sorry that's not more poetically put; it's morning and I haven't finished my coffee yet). That your ex didn't get that is why perhaps it's best that it's over. Don't worry, toots, it's only been a month and you're young and in no time you'll be tearing up the town, I'm sure! You need some good down time with your girlfriends, some good alone time, maybe even a nice trip / road trip now that it's the holidays. Something to refresh yourself. Pamper yourself -- focus on *you* -- and the rest will all fall into place, believe me.

I just noticed that your Saturn is *retrograde*. Saturn retrograde can be particularly difficult to live with. There is an inner authority that can be restrictive and very harsh. You can be your own worst critic. There is a sense of never being good enough to do what you need to do in life. It can, if you let it, prevent you from building anything of value or enjoying it if you do. When Saturn goes direct by progression there is a gradual shift from inner critic to outer authority -- the internal Saturn lessons learned may be put to use in the outside world. It will take time, but wisdom gained can be useful when Saturn turns direct. Over the years, depending on Saturn's aspects, there can be great accomplishment.

Do keep us informed! Best of luck to you.

posted December 06, 2006 10:03 AM         

Glaucus,

I'm truly sorry about what I said in this post originally- I didn't have the slightest idea what the heck I was talking about. I said I agreed on what some other ppl had said and only until recently had I realized that it was horsesh-t

posted December 07, 2006 09:23 AM         

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