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Lake Dance
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posted May 16, 2007 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lake Dance     Edit/Delete Message
Crabplanet, CrabbyKitty

Thank you...I appreciate your encouraging words.

Dulce Luna

Thanks for bumping

Nelly, Dew

I also appreciate your feedback and insight. All of you, all you folks have helped me a lot on learning more about people born under the influences of the sign Cancer. And I have to admit that, it was truly YOU who had inspired me to write that poem, after not having written anything new for a long time. Without you guys, this poem never would have been written. I owe you a depth of gratitude. Inspiration is so precious and infrequent for someone who likes to write things sometimes (I dare not call myself "an aspiring poet").

But this shouldn't turn into all about me. I am grateful for your replies, for sharing with me, and anyway, just a big, big thank you.

Just hold on to hope, right? But...I fear this lunar Cancerian I intend to reconcile with imminently will not let go of our past easily at all. It's not her fault. Not at all. We were being tricked by my mother. Thinking back, it was pure evil on my mother's part. She deliberately caused miscommunication and misunderstanding between me (Sun Aqua/Moon Virgo/Virgo rising/Saturn Virgo) and the lunar Cancerian (Sun Aqua/Moon Cancer/Taurus rising/Saturn Leo). Terrible things happened between us, both of us said and did terrible things to each other; I won't give up any hope, because I MUST restore this relationship. But I'm really not that 100% optimistic, and it happens to be tomorrow that I had originally intended to visit her. However, having read some of your later posts about holding grudges and acknowledgement of considering not holding back forgiveness to be what, at least, some of you guys may prefer...now I feel intimidated by the possible poor outcome, and I am reconsidering again, wondering if I should postpone the visit. Or if the visit mustn't wait. It's not her problem. It's not Cancerians' problems. No. Who would easily forget about a past injury and just get over it as if nothing happened and everything's still the same? It would make perfect sense that she will not want to start over at all. But this is going to be very, very challenging to me.

Anyway, many thanks again, for your kindness and your encouragement. Words cannot express my gratitude.


Lake

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NAM
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posted May 16, 2007 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NAM     Edit/Delete Message
You really should have a conversation with yourself first and figure out what is within you before you talk to her, it seems you are almost close to the answers and those are really coming from you not her and for sure not us.

Wishing you a lot of luck!!! I know it is hard, but sometimes we have to face this issues before we can go on.

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Sun in Cancer
Moon in Cancer
Sag Asc.
*Please call me Nelly from now on, this NAM thing is not me, I wish there was a way to change it! :(

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NAM
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posted May 16, 2007 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NAM     Edit/Delete Message
I guess what I am trying to say is that it seems you know what the root of the problem is.
When you talk to her you are going to have to open up and say what is really on your mind to be able to get to her, if not she'll see right through you that you are not being honest and she will not give you another chance.
If after you do this she still doesn't give you another chance then you are going to have to move on and be satisfy with yourself that at least you are not lying to you and you can have piece within yourself.

i am not really sure why i am saying all these because I don't know the situation but i don't need to;the truth is always the best way out even if it hurts at first.

JMO.... I should probably just shut up

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Sun in Cancer
Moon in Cancer
Sag Asc.
*Please call me Nelly from now on, this NAM thing is not me, I wish there was a way to change it! :(

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Crabplanet
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posted May 16, 2007 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Crabplanet     Edit/Delete Message
lake,

for me after the "hurt" feeling, comes the real work of: Compassion. Nothing will ever be the same. It is a process of real healing and forgiveness that i do when i'm "inside" my shell. I try to separate myself from identiffication with the person and situation who has inflicted the original hurt (maybe a Cappy Moon at work here?)...Then, there is a difference between saying " you have done this and it hurts me" and saying: "I loved you so much, and because of my love i felt hurt by your hurt of me". We then become the real "owners" of our wound and can better forgive the "other", who happens to be "us", it's our wound...

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Lake Dance
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posted May 17, 2007 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lake Dance     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Nelly, Crabplanet and everyone else here,

Many thanks.

I saw the Moon Cancerian today.

No, don't worry, I will never try to fool her and make the most fatal mistake of letting her see right through me- I've never even tried that, because I have never been inclined to do so since we met. She and I had always shared some kind of mutual telepathic understanding. It's unusually easy for us both to instinctively know what is on each other's mind.

And I visited her today. It must have been my guardian angels watching over me- I could tell that she instinctively knew my intent and motive were benevolent. We did not need to say too much to know how to go along with our conversation. And yet, some things are meant to be left unsaid. And there are times when it is the things that are not said that really matters.

So far so good. Thank heavens.

So, indeed, hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things- as the line goes in the film "The Shawshank Redemption".

I'd like to thank you, my Cancerian companions, for inspiring me, teaching me precious things and helping me out. My gratitude is beyond words.

Thanks.

And all the love, light and blessings to you.

Lake

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Linnk
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posted May 17, 2007 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linnk     Edit/Delete Message
I really liked what DEW said...
"Having said that though, Lake....
Once you are in a Cancerians mind, you never really leave.
I get sentimental about people I have met in the past who have stimulated me in one way or another.
It is my personal philosophy that nothing ever ends."

I have my moon in cancer, and this is so true for me!!! I still my friends from kindergarden! ...

To me it doesn't matter just how long it was since a friendship was lost, or why it happend, I still love that person. I can forgive someone for hurting me, but it's hard and it comes with a price. Once someone as abused my trust a coupple of times I won't disappear, but I'll never trust that person in the same way ever again. I'll always be on my guard because I know they've hurt me before, so they might do it again. I don't trust everybody, so to me it is a BIG DEAL. And it never truly goes away. I'll be suspicious forever.

The three best friends I've ever had are cancerians. Two of them have abused my trust, and even though I've forgiven them and we're still really good friends, I'm not sure if I will ever confide in them in that way again. It's just too much of a risk in my point of view, and I can't risk getting that hurt again.

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Linnk
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posted May 17, 2007 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Linnk     Edit/Delete Message
But you know, lake dance... None of them ever really tried so hard to make it up to me. It was more me saving the friendship because I couldn't bare loosing THEM.

So I suppose... After reading what you just wrote... that everything will be allright

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Lake Dance
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posted May 18, 2007 04:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lake Dance     Edit/Delete Message
Hello Linnk, thanks.

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Once someone as abused my trust a coupple of times I won't disappear, but I'll never trust that person in the same way ever again. I'll always be on my guard because I know they've hurt me before, so they might do it again. I don't trust everybody, so to me it is a BIG DEAL. And it never truly goes away. I'll be suspicious forever.

Your comment just hits home. That is the true spirit of Cancerians (Moon, Sun or otherwise strongly influenced/represented).

In fact, that would be the perfect summary for my visit to the lunar Cancerian yesterday.

This might sound so drastic and way too dramatic to you folks, but I've just had a reading this afternoon, and although not directly from the answers provided from the reading, but I began to notice that something was wrong in our conversation yesterday.

I used to tell her straightforwardly that I didn't like her attempts to manipulate me when we interacted, and I didn't like her to play dumb. Once I even just said to her "Don't try to fool me. Don't play stupid with me. Because that's just going to be...just hollow. So hollow."

I've got my Mars conjt Asc, so often times I'm too blunt, too naive, and too imprudent.

I noticed each time, she would not stop her manipulating tricks, but instead, each time, she "advanced", so to speak- her "techniques" of manipulating. I remember I used to say to someone else, a mutual acquaintance, that "She (the Moon Cancerian) is the most gifted person I have ever met. But meanwhile, she is the most wasted- she wastes her gift. And that's such a shame."

And yes, this sounds too dramatic to myself, too. But, regretfully, I will have to be the one who makes the decision to end the friendship and leaves for good- because she will not want to let go of the hurt, and she simply cannot, and does not want to, resist the temptation to manipulate and to avenge.

Nonetheless, this does not eliminate my hope on things and people in general whatsoever. I do not despair. I will not allow myself to project my experience with this relationship onto my perception of other Cancerians. I will not hold stereotypical views on everybody else, simply because of her, simply because of one stale relationship. No way.

I will always hold on to hope, and remember each lesson I have learned.

Much love,
Lake

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NAM
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posted May 18, 2007 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NAM     Edit/Delete Message
She sounds young.You can't manipulate the person you care for or the situation around the person you care for, then it is not real.
It is probably hard for her not to manipulate because it is embeded in us, I am totally that way i can manipulate anything I want but I choose not to do it when it comes to love.

Eeeeeeeeeek. I feel for you.

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CoralFrequency
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posted May 18, 2007 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CoralFrequency     Edit/Delete Message
I have a friend with Ascendant/Mercury and Mars in Cancer. She said - it isn't that she doesn't forgive.. it isn't even that she doesn't forget (though she never does).. but the reason to not get back to the person is that she's seen a different side to them.. and it's a side she feels no connection to.

I agree with this. My Cap Moon is opposite her stellium, and we're quite close. When you've seen certain sides to a person, you can't simply pretend that the behavior isn't a part of them.. If it wasn't, they wouldn't have been capable of it..

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Lake Dance
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posted May 18, 2007 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lake Dance     Edit/Delete Message

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Lake Dance
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posted May 19, 2007 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lake Dance     Edit/Delete Message
But I still hold on to hope.

Thanks to all of you, my Cancerian companions here- for reminding me of the power of hope.

Lake

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Love
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posted June 15, 2007 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message
I have to agree with most of the Cancerian comments here. I have Sun, Venus and my Ascendant in Cancer and Pluto in the 4th house. I have been accused of being 'overly sensitive' for as long as I can remember. Sometimes I suppose I am, but ultimately I just feel things really deeply and the older I get, the more I have learned not to take things personally and that forgiveness is one of the most important experiences we can give ourselves...whatever sign we are

Having said all that, trust does factor into the equation for me. If I feel I cannot trust someone with my soft, vulnerable bits then I must change the nature of my involvement with the individual who I no longer trust.

And at the end of a relationship, I have a hard time remaining friends...at least at first. Of the times I have truly fallen in love with a man, the letting go process is indescribably hard for me. I am currently in day 2 of just such a thing...having let go of the man with whom I have been more in love than anyone else in my life.

He wants to still talk and see me and to remain friends but I just can't. I have to go away for as long as it takes to heal and then I will be able to see him. As for going back to someone I once loved...it's never happened once I have truly let go and moved on, but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't. If you asked me right now I'd have a hard time saying that I would never open myself up again to this one specific person.

So that's my story.

~ Love

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