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NAM
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posted October 30, 2007 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NAM     Edit/Delete Message
Yeap, that is why, you are a bit more one sided than me but we share a lot of the same thoughts.
I don't see us having much in common on the charts though.Only thing is Mercury in Cancer and Cancer desc.
????oh well.

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Obe
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posted November 12, 2007 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Obe     Edit/Delete Message
why do we all try to bust each other's dreams with our own disappointments? Is it karma? Whatever it is, the imagination (which is eternal and infinite)has for some reason given us the beautiful idea of twin selves, for SOME reason it is THERE.... ALL in oNe moment

it gives me a sense of purpose, and I'm sure many others as well, and to those who don't believe in it, why does it matter to them if others do? it's bitterness....

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ListensToTrees
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posted November 12, 2007 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry, Obe, I just, especially being a Gemini, feel the need to communicate a lot. I didn't think that my opinions would be that important. At the end of the day, we can only listen to our own mind and own intuition.

All I can tell you from mine is this:
I'm just not sure.

But for me, it's no good making myself unhappy longing for something that won't come until "the alloted time".

I hope this helps.

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NAM
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posted November 12, 2007 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NAM     Edit/Delete Message
I can't even type what i think, I just spent a couple of minutes trying to put it into words but as soon as I do I fill my mind with questions of "why?" and then I don't beleive anymore.

All I know is that from a lot of people's point of view here we are suppose to turn into robots with no feelings and a special love for a partner is nothing but a drug, just like any other illegal drug out there and we are suppose to dettach from it...
Now that sounds HORRIBLE to me.

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ListensToTrees
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posted November 12, 2007 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message

No, it's a wonderful drug, Nam. But when you grow with someone, this love deepens. It's like love unfolding itself over and over. IMO.

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ListensToTrees
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posted November 12, 2007 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees     Edit/Delete Message
Wow, this has just got me thinking about the symbolic meaning of this flower.

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girlloveboy
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posted November 13, 2007 04:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for girlloveboy     Edit/Delete Message
NAM
If you dont mind,i would say sth as well.

YOu said:
"All I know is that from a lot of people's point of view here we are suppose to turn into robots with no feelings and a special love for a partner is nothing but a drug, just like any other illegal drug out there and we are suppose to dettach from it...
Now that sounds HORRIBLE to me. "

You will see that,with time and with the ideal partner,you will realize, that its just the opposite.
Its not that in a deep level of love we dont FEEL, but we FEEL IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

It's different at the point that actually, the love becomes just far TOO DEEP to be able to express it.

As there would NOT be a need for express it, it would come just naturally.

You would not feel the need of telling your partner ten times a day, "I LOVE YOU" because he/she just KNOW it.

LOVE is the most natural state of the human being....or at least,it should be.

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miss_muffet
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posted November 13, 2007 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for miss_muffet     Edit/Delete Message
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You would not feel the need of telling your partner ten times a day, "I LOVE YOU" because he/she just KNOW it.

At least ONCE a day for me please... and LOTs and LOTs of actions to prove it too.

In my opinion and it sounds very "corny", love is like an orchid. It needs nourishment, water, sunlight, and plenty of care to flourish and survive.

I believe that it will be very foolish to assume that just because you and your partner are now together, that you will be together for the rest of your life without much work.

It's like, ok we are now married, forget going out on dates, and I don't have to tell you I love you because you MUST already know. I am sorry but that doesn't work for me. It might for someone else... but not me. Sure I know that you love me, sure we are married. BUT it would still be nice to HEAR it said, and see it expressed... caressing, touching, kissing... absolutely required!

I think Twin Self notion was invented to try and explain what we are looking for... an ideal mate. The idea of having someone who matches you in every way possible, likes what you like, and compliments you on the areas where you are different.

I would not want to put a "term" to what someone like that would be, but that someone do exist. I believe it because I found him. The one person that completes me in every way possible. And I am not just talking about sex... although that alone is amazing.

It is very hard to explain how it is. It can only be experienced. Again, this must be my Venus in Pisces talking but... I will not trade this feeling for all the wealth in this world. To be totally and completely IN LOVE.

Miss Muffet

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Obe
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posted November 20, 2007 12:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Obe     Edit/Delete Message
I know, LTT. The idea of an"allotted time" seems so unfair, since things are so confusing. But that doesn't mean that you should be sorry!! We all should say what we feel is real. I feel for making you feel bad about what you said in any way!! I feel exactly the same about the concept, and that is why I guess having it affirmed made me bitter. I'm sorry! "real" and "true" aren't neccessarily the same. Material is reality, but only love is true. (as a way to look at it) First we learn that there is NO TIME, then we still have to learn it again in a different new way. it really sucks, but whatever! I'll spend this "time" until the true "moment" as best I can, but wow I wish things weren't so con-fused

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NAM
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posted November 30, 2007 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NAM     Edit/Delete Message
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How do you know it's beautiful to be in love? Were you in love, and it didn't work out? Does that qualify as true love if you couldn't make it work?

What about the people who seem to settle, but have an ongoing friendship, ongoing working relationship, ongoing positive thoughts and feelings for their partner, etc? When they've been happily married 50 years, would you characterize them as soulmates?

Soulmates and twin-whatevers are a destination, not a starting point. If you make a list of must-haves (qualities) for your potential partners, you can practically guarantee your perpetual disappointment.



I am sorry, I don't know how I missed this.

I always wondered how people that have lived together for so many years did it.
I don't know of a couple that have been together that long and I know for a fact they have always been in love.
What I see and have seen in many opportunities is these couples being annoyed with each other, one more bitter than the other one.

I haven't really done a lot of research on it though, I pretty much have leaned towards the thought that this is what it was expected out of them by society so one way or another they got there.

But I have heard many times how when one dies the other one goes within the year; I think there is something to that too.

I don't know.And I have actually worked with a lot of older couples when I used to sell investments, sadly back then I wasn't really looking for answers in love as I am now.

Have I been in love?and it didn't work out, did that qualify as true love?
I am still trying to figure it out because it didn't work out.I have many different theories about this but I have to really know myself first and Happy Dragon was kind enough to bring one more issue to my attention according to my chart that I am dueling with...
So far I am going to say , yes, I have been.
Why didn't it work out is not in my control nor I want it to be, I just want it to happen.

Have you been in love?

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AcousticGod
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posted November 30, 2007 02:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
My parents have been together 38 years. My dad is an Aries, and my Mom is a Leo. Fire signs (I'm the odd Earthling in my family). As an older teenager I would have sworn that my parents were NOT meant for one another. I only see my parents once a year these days, but I still see interactions that at very least remind me of interactions I took serious issue with growing up.

Last year I told each of them separately about my current relationship, and how refreshing it is to be with someone who's as much a friend as she is a love interest. To my astonishment, both of my parents related what I said to their relationship. They consider themselves friends as well as lovers. Doesn't seem right on some levels to me, but it kind of just goes to show that we don't always know what's going on behind the scenes. I do know that when they were fairly young, a little while after I was born, my mom did feel like they were heading for a divorce. My dad went to some seminar or something, though, and found God. That apparently saved their relationship. 38 years.

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I always wondered how people that have lived together for so many years did it.

I think they do it, because they are committed to doing it. They don't throw the relationship away when it seems like they might not be soulmates.

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Have you been in love?

I've always fallen hard for Cancers, but it's never worked out. It always seems like love, but it doesn't work.

With my current relationship with my Sag, I enjoy who I am and who I'm allowed to be. She's gives me room to be myself while also being part of our relationship. It's good. Do I love her? Yes, I do. Is it going to work? Some signs say Yes, while others say No. I think only time will tell.

I've never been married if you're wondering.

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NAM
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posted November 30, 2007 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NAM     Edit/Delete Message
Awwww, that was so nice AG!

I wonder what would your parents say of fleeting love.Next time you see them out of curiosity .....ahhh nevermind that would probably lead to intimacy and who wants to talk about that with their parents

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