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ghanima81
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posted November 12, 2007 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message
So, I've been away for a long time.

I'm just wondering if anyone else out there has ever felt that they may be fundamentally unable to maintain a relationship. By their own doing. *sigh*

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Yin
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posted November 13, 2007 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Ghani,
Do you have Saturn in the 7th, by any chance?
I do and supposedly that is what makes me feel I am not worthy of love...
Therefore I have had terrible times building and maintaining a relationship.
I don't know, I just wanted to say that I hear you and you are not alone.

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ErickaF
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posted November 13, 2007 06:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message
how about chiron in the 7th?

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AcousticGod
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posted November 13, 2007 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I've felt that way sometimes. I have Saturn opposite the 7th, and Neptune in the 7th.

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Scorpio Chick
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posted November 13, 2007 09:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message
You are not alone.

I'm an intelligent, beautiful woman who will spend the rest of my life without a mate.

I don't know what I did to deserve this plot in life, but hey, it's better than dealing with ********* .

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posted November 13, 2007 09:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message
It's just the ever-conspiring Cosmos directing you towards more aloneness for further self-expansion. Use the time wisely.

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posted November 13, 2007 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueTopaz124     Edit/Delete Message
I feel part of the same fate...just eternally single. sigh.

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ghanima81
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posted November 14, 2007 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message
I do have Saturn in the 7th, in Libra... so, I guess that's why I notice my matelessness so much? Hmmm... odd

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posted November 14, 2007 09:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message
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Mama Mia
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posted November 14, 2007 10:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message
******big sigh*****

I have Uranus in the 7th..

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MUSTANG
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posted December 04, 2007 12:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I have mars, jupiter and neptune in the 7th...I'm over it.

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Mama Mia
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posted December 04, 2007 12:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I have Jupiter in the 7th as well so where theres bad luck theres good luck..

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posted December 04, 2007 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CrankyCap     Edit/Delete Message
I'm right there with ya...Zero planets in the 7th...and my 7th house ruler is Uranus.

2 men wanted to marry me, but I didn't want to be with them. The two that I would have considered marrying...both moved away.

I don't know why I bother anymore. I've always wanted to be a mother though, and the clock is ticking. I've always said that if I don't have a child by 35 it isn't happening. I've considered contacting my ex's and asking them for a no-strings-attached "donation" if I'm still single at 34.

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ghanima81
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posted December 04, 2007 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, I've thought of that too! But, you know, you don't even have to say anything, you could just get yerself knocked up! LOL... Kinda always pictured myself as a single mom... no idea why.

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posted December 04, 2007 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message
Scorpio Chick I feel the same way.

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ghanima81
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posted June 08, 2009 09:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message
Looks like I was predicting the future... How weird.

Still devastated about the relationship failure thing, but have to focus all energy to the little girl growing inside...

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posted June 09, 2009 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheels of cheese     Edit/Delete Message
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I'm just wondering if anyone else out there has ever felt that they may be fundamentally unable to maintain a relationship. By their own doing. *sigh*

Uh, yes, all the time. Most of the volatility in my relationships comes from me.

How has this feeling manifested in your relationship Ghani? What do you think you are doing "wrong"? Do you think it's salvageable? Tell a bit more. Perhaps we can help. I'm so sorry to hear of your trouble.

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posted June 13, 2009 12:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
I do too, and I know exactly why. Though I would love to know the anser astrologically. but in psychology, the anser is this;
I was abandoned by my parents to the care of my grandparents.
They did the best they could, but he was a raging, adulterous alcholic, and my g-ma was mentally ill, with severe O.C. D. which at the time they called her "nervous" or "high strung"
My grandparents let their son and daughter in law live there, who were both heroin addicts, in and out of jail, theives, violent, and liars. I raised their child when I was a child.
The chaos and confusion in my home became the norm, and therefore my comfort zone. If I wasn't hiding under the couch, I was walking on eggshells.
This has served me well in life as to be strong, independant and very well at diserning peoples motives.
But it sucks for love.
Somewhere theres a little girl that thinks she doesn't deserve love, cuz if she couldn't get it from her own family, why would some random person hand it over willingly.
And so it goes, I seek and find only those broken people who understand.
I trust the motives of no man who appears to be nice, cuz I saw my family nice to others, but then, when they left......
It's a cross to carry.
Some of us get out.
Some don't.
But I'de rather be lonely, than go thru hell twice in one life.

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posted June 13, 2009 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bunnies     Edit/Delete Message
I think this is a timetable of relationships.
Phase 1....approx 1 week to 5 weeks

"He is amazing. No really!. He listens to me. We like the same things. I have never found anyone who understands me like this. Astrologically we are a good match because his Venus is conjunct my (long list of degrees and mathematical symbols). Could this be my soul mate?
Oh and the sex is AMAZING!!! 4 hours the other night!! Really!
If any woman looks in his direction your hackles rise.

Somewhere round about the month mark you will have the first row or wobble.This will slightly unsettle you (a bit like a knife to the solar plexus)
"I think it's possibly his transits, plus he's stressed at work...and I've been a bit off too so....
It will be back on track but something will fundamentally have changed. There is a chip in your "windscreen of love"
But the make up sex will be AMAZING!!

4 months to 1 year

You will settle into a routine. Not a dull one. You will still be excited at seeing him and still boring your friends witless with tales of his majestic qualities and his occasional not so majestic qualities.
The sex will still be AMAZING but you don't feel the need to perform like an extra in a 50 cent video every 5 mins and once or twice you have both been too tired to bother.
If any woman looks at him you will raise your eyebrows at her but your hackles will stay unrisen.

2 to 5 years
You will most probably be either married or living together. Either one or both of you will have given up any semblance of being a sex god/goddess. You will cheerfully stay in wearing sweat pants and have a takeaway because "I can't be arsed getting ready to go out"
You do not flush the toilet anymore before you have a pee in case he hears you and do not leap out of bed before he wakes to brush your hair and apply subtle lip gloss.
One eye glued together with last nights mascara and insane bedhead is fine because he never notices anyway so...
He will not even bother to talk to you anymore when watching tv.
You have sex only because it's "Been a bit long since we last did"
You will argue about who goes on top to do all the work.
You bicker constantly about mundane things but don't have major rows. Your heart doesn't leap when he comes through the door but you shout things like
"Did you remember the milk? Cos if you didn't, you get right back out again and get it" or
"Wipe your feet. I've just vacumed.

If anyone mentions the word soulmate you snort jovially "Hah!If he is I've been shortchanged! and then say "Well he's not too bad really whilst tapping hard on his bald spot.

5 to 7 years
This is the danger time. You will suffer terminal lowgrade resentment as you scrub yet more of his skidmarks off the toilet bowl whilst thinking "Why is it always me doing this?
You will also think this whilst cooking, hanging out the washing, remembering everyone's birthdays and all other stuff he "forgets" to do ad infinitum........
You will point out his bald spot during bickering.
If another woman looks at him you wonder if she needs to go to Specsavers.
And this good people is when you are faced with a choice.
Do I stay or do I go?
And to answer your original question Ghani.
It just depends what sort of person you are.
I always felt I deserved more. Some people just put up and shut up.
I will never have another long term relationship but I will never again wield a toilet brush in a resentful manner

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posted June 13, 2009 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spillingmoon     Edit/Delete Message
oh yes,
I can relate...Saturn in the 7th in return right now. Also I have Uranus square my DSC, and Venus in Cancer so, so many men who are
within ten years of my age have Pluto in Libra or Neptune in Capricorn negatively aspecting my
Venus. So, its tricky, but I might just be crazy enough to give dating another try after I heal from the relationship I just got out of. If it is supposed to work it will and if not, I'll most definately find out. Best of luck and love to all discouraged by love .

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posted June 14, 2009 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LetsDance     Edit/Delete Message
Pretty good, bunnies! Very insightful and humorous. Sounds very real....

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posted June 14, 2009 03:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
Do you have Saturn in the 7th, by any chance?
I do and supposedly that is what makes me feel I am not worthy of love...
Therefore I have had terrible times building and maintaining a relationship.

Natally, I have Saturn in the 7th in Cancer (conjunct my Moon). I just ended a very very long term relationship. I think the Cancer part (also, Venus in the 7th too, not conjunct) has made me clingy and tenacious and good at the nurturing, long-haul part of the relationship.

The thing Saturn in 7th does I think is not automatically cause trouble in building or maintaining a relationship--it just makes that aspect of your life seem SERIOUS and HEAVY and PAINFUL and like it's a HUGE DEAL if you're not perfect at it. Saturn brings this to any house it's in natally, and you have your first real chance to spring yourself from it during your Saturn Returns.

For instance, my Saturn-in-2nd-House friend thinks it's all SERIOUS and PAINFUL and a HUGE DEAL when he doesn't have enough money or a good job or the external markings of success. And me? Stand-alone 2nd House Jupiter here, I feel optimistic and bouyant about money/possessions. They just aren't a huge deal for me...I don't judge myself about them. But relationships? My Saturn in the 7th house makes me sooo judgmental and cruel to myself about whether I'm doing well enough in that area of my life.

Whatever is happening in your love life, Saturn in the 7th can make you judge it harshly, worry about it, or take it too seriously. Hence seeing things as "success" or "failure."

Chiron in the houses means you feel a tender pain and extra sensitivity in that area, so I agree that Chiron in the 7th brings a wound there where you might FEEL predisposed to tragedy or disappointment, but again it's all about the perception.

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posted June 14, 2009 08:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message
wheels,

I recently realized, being on bed rest and not having much else to do but internalize and analyze my entire life to this point, what a lot of my past relationship issues fell victim to. I was told at 19 that I would not have children. Being a child of divorce and an absent, drug using father and wounded, bitter mother, I thought at that time "who cares? I don't want to have any kids anyway, and I'll NEVER get married. It never works out anyway." With this attitude, I never took any of my relationships very seriously. Not really, anyway. I had long term relationships, lived with some of my boyfriends, but I felt inside that it was never really going to go anywhere because I could not give him a family, and therefore was just "playing house" for as long as I was comfortable. In this way, I guarded my heart from getting too attached, when somebody I had a real conneciton with came along, it was usually while I was involved with someone else, and I would ultimately leave the person I was with, thinking I could just pick up and have this amazing relationship with person B, and then get scared I would never be enough for him and run away again. Usually literally, as in moving across the country or to another country. This pattern caused me to be very distant with most of the men I became involved in, and controlling of the situation, thus never allowing any "real" feelings to develop or let things happen naturally. The control freak part of me definatly runs in the family, my mother and grandmother are the same way, most of the women in my family are like this, we all just manifest it in different ways. Mine is to know what is going on with everyone around me and manipulate the situations so nobody (but me) will be hurt by the actions of others. Must have something to do with the heavy Aqua side of me, the manipulation coming more from my opposing Leo moon. It's like I'm always thwarting my own purposes, I can never relax and just let things happen as they may, and so I will most likely be alone. Maybe for the benefit of any poor man that thinks he loves me. I'm just sad that now that I am pregnant, a miracle by all accounts, I don't have much of a chance of making things work with her father, and for her sake, that makes me sad.

Bunnies,

That is most certainly a timeline I'm sure a lot of people are familiar with. I heard once that couples fall in and out of love with each other all the time, the trick is not to do it at the same time. As long as one of them is still fighting to keep things together, they will overcome the "boring" times and get back on track. Maybe not to the lusty extent of a new relationship, but they will grow and learn together, which is what true love is all about.

Gypsee,

It's very hard to let go of the memories anhd feelings that shaped our emotional landscape. I understand. The sad part is when you are wounded, you tend to attract the wounded and want to "fix" them. Once they are "fixed", or you realize there is nothing else there keeping you attached to that person, you are left alone again, but with your heart intact due to the protective barrier you have built up... Trust me, I understand....

Lucia,

That makes a lot of sense. I have been bracing myself for my saturn return, but at the same time, welcoming it as it may be the transforming action I need to fully understand my purpose.

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posted June 14, 2009 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message
Ditto.

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posted June 14, 2009 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
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I'm just wondering if anyone else out there has ever felt that they may be fundamentally unable to maintain a relationship. By their own doing. *sigh*
Yes. Absolutely. I've never stopped wanting a companion. I don't need anyone to take care of me, I'd just like to have someone to love who loves me back and wants to hang out with me for longer than a few months.....
Possibly it's the fact that I'm the other end of the spectrum from "needy" and they don't feel wanted or "useful." I still haven't figured it out -- I have a lot to learn about myself and my unconscious behavior.....

I'm so sorry to hear about your little one's father, ghani
I always felt like you did -- that if I *ever* became a mother, I would be a single mom -- and it came to pass.....
tPluto in the 5th is assaulting (squaring) my nVenus (in the 2nd), the 2nd hit is almost exact -- Can you say, transformation of what I value in a lover?? Seems to be a time of emotional turmoil for many.....

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