posted March 07, 2008 01:03 PM         

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if you were 27 I'd be worried

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Ok, giving up on romantic love and retiring to the old age home with the other grannies....

posted March 07, 2008 01:17 PM         

Thanks for looking at my charts - i don't mind waiting. I guess i'm so anxious about life that i feel the need to vent somewhere ( and most of my friends don't believe in this stuff). I'll definitely check out your blog too- at this point just having an options makes me able to breathe a lil easier. Sorry if i sounded pushy- i didn't mean to and am genuinely grateful! You are very generous!

posted March 07, 2008 01:24 PM         

Pass the ice cream, and I keep my Girl Scout Thin Mints in the freezer.

And don't forget to put a shot of jack in my coffee, I like it Irish. Now turn up those soap operas and pass the Bon-Bons, I'm giving up, too.

I didn't mean to insult any 27 or 28 year olds either, but AG is right about different relationship needs at different ages and knowing what you want in terms of job, career, family, home-life, health concerns when it comes to permanent relationships.

That Saturn return at 28 can really put things in perspective and suggest that you make many changes.

And don't forget about that Pluto square Pluto at 36 to 39 and you and your husband or wife better tie yourselves together with double-stick chain ropes when the Uranus opposition pops up if you want to stay together.

...but I don't mean to go scaring people so I'll shut up now.

I'm about to experience my Uranus opposition this year and I'm glad I'm not married and don't have a "romantic" significant other, just an awesome male house mate that I get along with really well. But now I'm scared that the Uranus opposition might bring in a new, crazy significant other. Yup, fear is sure to attract what I don't want right now, romance.

I used to tell some of my friends who wanted boyfriends, "Don't worry, one will definitely come along because how else is God gonna hand you misery lessons to learn with? It's guaranteed!!" As soon as you don't want someone......here they come.

posted March 07, 2008 03:01 PM         

Not entirely, actually. I was dealing with transiting Neptune conjunct MC. Talk about EGO WIPE-OUT!! Jobs dissolved, my back tried to dissolve, my father's vision was doing wacky things. I actually had to declare bankruptcy, go home and live with my father for 6 months. It was terrible, but it's true that I am now a different person with a whole new set of resources.

I wonder if you'll have some huge musical success of something.

posted March 08, 2008 04:54 PM         

Thanks for reassuring me you're there- it feels good! You are correct about the loss- you could probably even say losses. Luckily i got to visit family not to long ago and since I'm usually the one everyone leans on in bad times, they have all been making an effort to pick me up. I'm grateful as I know some have no one.

I hope all is well with you and that reading into my charts doesn't cause you too much anxiety. I imagine looking at the complexities of someone's life can become as emotionally draining as it is mentally and physically tiring.

posted March 09, 2008 10:34 AM         

Details please

posted March 09, 2008 04:25 PM         

I'm sorry this took so long, I got so involved in it because the same thing happened to me a few years ago and I had a hard time separating your experience from mine so I had to go really hard core on the astrology then it got to invovled and then my health issue kicked up and I have to take pain killers which muddles up my thinking. Usually I'll do this kind of thing right away and I just couldn't, so please accept my apology and feel free to ask questions once you finish reading this.

Also I ask that after you finish reading it, can you please confirm if the information is correct or not, that's how we all learn here.

Before I get into the astrology, I want to give you my opinion on a few things that you've said about the situation. You have already ended the "romantic" relationship with the Cancer, so he will be referred your Ex-Boyfriend. My opinion and my hope is that you broke up with him for other reasons aside from falling in love with the Libra man. When I put your chart together with your Ex-Boyfriend I saw some soulmate type connections, but you didn't have a whole lot of romantic longevity aspects with him. The longevity aspects that you do have together have probably outlived their shelf life. People seem to forget that longevity doesn't mean "forever". It just means you will stick together for a long time. Six years in this modern age can actually be longer than some marriages.

When comparing your chart to the Libra, there are "Romantic" longevity aspects, but one of them is so strong that it can cause him to be afraid of loving you, yet he may still stick to you like glue. That's not to say that he can't or won't get over that fear, it is part of his learning experience in your relationship with him. This particular aspect is wide, meaning that it might not be too strong so he can muster up the courage to get involved with you. I'm talking about the his Venus conjunct your Saturn. You also have it as his Venus trine your Saturn. The trine is easier and more of a flowing energy, and adds to the great possibility of you both being committed to each other.

You have positive and negative aspects with each other which is normal for all relationships. I think that you are both dealing with the some of the negatives now. Those aspects are mainly of a power struggle nature. He will always feel some pressure from you and it appears that you both will argue, but who doesn't in real relationships? Your chart suggests that you already have some confusion about relationships and love and possibly some shame around secret love (which is what this all comes down to). You have Venus in the 12th house closely conjunct your Ascendant, 12th house Venus can suggest secret affairs and a private sense of beauty, but your Neptune squares your Venus adding more shame, possible suppression of your love, and a sense of illusion, deception, shame and confusion. His Neptune is conjunct your Neptune, just because you are both close in age, but it also squares your Venus which doesn't help to clarify his feelings, but there is the sense that you mesmerize each other. All of this energy with Neptune and Venus (and I'm including your Mercury and Ascendant there) can add to a very strong sense of IDEALISM. Idealism is often used as a defense mechanism, often making you feel like things SHOULD BE a certain way in life. For example, relationships should begin in a "normal" way therefore we won't pursue this relationship because it isn't starting in an ideal fashion, it's not something we can show off and be proud of in front of our friends, etc.

His Neptune also widely squares your Mercury which suggests more communication confusion. You have to STRONGLY communicate your wants and needs to him and you must not shy away from understanding that YOU DESERVE TO HAVE YOUR NEEDS AND WANTS MET! And the thing you need most right now is clarity. Your life is moving on, you are about to graduate and you have decisions that you need to make right now. You may have to put your foot down and make him tell you what he wants. Don't be afraid to be a broken record with him, it may feel like nagging, but you are asking for what you need.

Here's another perspective or scenario of how it could play out. From what you have said so far, he told you that he can't hurt his friend. You really should take him at his word for saying that, but you both should know that if that is his answer and if his foot is down on that issue, then it must stay down in order to be fair to both of you and there should be no flirting, no wishy-washiness, no "I'm still attracted to you." The attraction will be there forever and it can keep you both stuck in one spot, so you would have to keep your boundaries and both of you move on in different directions.

If you do decide to be together, just remember that LIFE IS MESSY and this kind of thing happens a lot. At least the two of you gave your Ex-boyfriend the benefit of figuring out if this is just lust or love betweeen you and the Libra. From looking at your charts, it looks like it is really love between you, not just lust.

There is love and longevity between you and the Libra but there will always be power struggles as well and maybe it's something that you both need to learn from. You may need to push him into having the courage to tell Ex-Boyfriend. Ex-boyfriend won't be happy, but if he understands that you both made an effort to make sure that this wasn't just some kind of a lust festival and that it truly is love between you, then the friendship with him can possibly be salvaged, but that is not a guarantee, and something you both need to be prepared to lose.

I really hope things work out for you two, and some other astrologers can chime in.

I hope some of your questions were answered here.

Geocosmic Valentine
Professional Astrologer
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posted March 09, 2008 04:27 PM         

Are you just yankin' our chains or did you really find love that quick??? Let us know, don't leave us hanging.

Geocosmic Valentine

posted March 09, 2008 04:46 PM         

About your analysis:
Oh My G-D! Yes! Yes! and more Yes! You are right about it all!!!!! Your are right about the cancer- soulmate but just stale romantically! You are right about the libra- confusion, power struggles, arguments (gallore!!!!!), attraction, idealization... YES!

Recently, I just felt there was so much pressure and I'm not used to a man not coming after me so strongly or standing up for me. I told the libra i no longer had feelings for him and just wanted to be friends. We still flirted a little in our conversations (but i am bubbly and flirty by nature) and he told me he sensed i still had feelings there. In an effort to make things easier i reiterated that there are no longer feelings there. I did this because I am emotionally tired and was not up to having an argument about how to deal with it. Also, I am not sure how strongly his foot is planted in not hurting my ex. I figure I will let time pass for now with minimal communication. I know it's not characteristic of a libra to vocalize his feelings on his own but at this point I need something from him if i'm going to go on with this.

You're probably thinking- ALL THAT and she's just walking away! I just feel so drained emotionally, mentally, physically...i don't know what or how to give anymore. I told him that I needed a person that I could actually go out with and love openly (exactly like you mentioned :s i guess it's immature) and that I can't do a secret relationship (because I DO feel SO MUCH SHAME you can't even imagine! When i tried to tell my mother I just cried for hours unable to speak).

Therefore at the moment I am just trying to gain some strength. It sounds to me like you think I should be more vocal in what i want. I think i could do that, maybe after pulling myself together. From HIS chart, how do you think he feels about this? (Abstract question I know!)

posted March 09, 2008 04:52 PM         

"When comparing your chart to the Libra, there are "Romantic" longevity aspects, but one of them is so strong that it can cause him to be afraid of loving you..."

posted March 09, 2008 10:23 PM         

When you consult a psychic or an astrologer, it's to get insight not to have them tell you what to do. I think you are doing the right thing by ending the situation if you're feeling exhausted and unfulfilled by it. I wouldn't lie to him about not having feelings, it's probably best not to speak to him at all and that way you don't get drawn into his drama.

Also, as an astrologer I have to remind you that astrology is more than just the Sun in the 12 signs. Your assessment about how Libra's communicate their feelings is incorrect. Communication and vocalization is not ruled by the Sun, it's ruled by Mercury. His Mercury is in Scorpio and is conjunct Pluto. He communicates deeply and sometimes uses words like a weapon, more like a knife. His Mercury in conjunction with Pluto can either sharpen and perfect his communication or it can botch it all up like President Bush. Everyone thinks Bush is stupid because he doesn't speak well in public, but it is quite the opposite. He's a very intelligent man, he just shouldn't be a public speaker. Libra is an artistic sign so if anything it could help him to vocalize. I'm going off the subject here, but there are a lot of people on this site who need to understand that astrology is more than a person's Sun sign.

You asked about the difference between Soul Mate aspects and "Romantic Aspects". You have soul mate connections with both of these men, but a soul mate is not always someone that you are going to stay with forever. Your mother or father or any relative can be a soul mate. I just wanted to mention that you had more romance type connections with the Libra. But there are many other people that you will meet in your life time who will have soul mate connections with you as well. We meet more of them as we get older.

The aspect that makes him afraid to love you is your Saturn conjunct his Venus. Saturn places a control factor on the Venus energies, it makes it difficult for relationships to get started. You also have the Venus-Saturn trine. That one doesn't cause fear, it creates relationship stability and committment in love.

I can't really answer your last question because I don't know how long you've been in love with his friend. There is a bond with you and the Libra that is pretty strong, but YOU HAVE FREE WILL!! Remember that always. Just because we have compared your chart to this one person doesn't mean you are obligated in any way by the universe to be with him. I agree with you that if he is not stepping up to the plate of a relationship with you by excercising his courage, then it's a smart thing for you to move on. I thought he was the one who would be feeling the pressure, but you said that you were the one feeling the pressure, so I agree with you to set yourself free, it's not worth it if this guy isn't making some kind of committment to you already.

You will make the choice that is right for you. If it doesn't feel easy getting into this relationship, it won't get any better once you're in it.

Have a good night,

posted March 09, 2008 11:06 PM         

Thanks for clarifying a bunch of stuff...very helpful! I do see my Saturn being controlling- any advice on how i could help this to ease things along?

Also, he was feeling the pressure of the situation and his stress made me stressed!

Thanks again...all of this info will definitely be helpful in making my decision.

posted March 10, 2008 01:37 AM         

Now, lets suppose that the 17 year old in question is dealing with an afflicted Sun/Moon/Merc/Venus stellium in Libra, as well as both Pluto and Scorpio in the 7th house. It doesnt take an astrological genius to understand that relationship is much more significant to this person than it is to the average 17 year old, and maybe even more important than it is to the average 47 year old. The Libra emphasis (and chart-ruling Venus) in the 6th house clearly indicates that romantic partnership is closely linked to health concerns. The strong afflictions to these Libra-ruled 6th house planets (especially the tight Moon-Neptune Square, and the exact Venus-Saturn Square) are particularly suggestive of serious depression and soul-sickness resulting from a lack of partnership.

Anna, if you've found someone, I'm very happy for you.