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26taurus
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posted May 27, 2008 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
She does Randall?
It seems like that orange might actually be an onion - that causes her to cry, or a bad apple.

I hear what youre saying bunnies. Even as I was writing my first reply I was thinking...well, maybe she needs to go through this and learn some things from it; come out stronger...? I dont know.

Just dont want to see you get hurt SC.
All the best.

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MysticMelody
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posted May 27, 2008 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
Many times men don't understand that when a girl has sex with a man she experiences many of the same chemical reactions of "falling in love". A man might logically assume that she is just enjoying the dating and sexual experience and not understand how the situation actually affects the woman. If a man thinks about a woman or girl he was "in love with" and thinks about he might react or feel if his "love" began having sex with someone else while they were involved, he might begin to understand the confusion and pain a woman would experience in this situation. It is not a casual experience for a woman that can be detached from emotion.

That being said, it's nice to sleep with someone after a divorce. Breaks that connection to the ex. This guy will be easy to get over, relatively speaking.

Sunchild, the movie I always recommend to girlfriends in these situations (and we've all been there) is "Waiting to Exhale". The "Sex in the City" series is also a good nighttime alternative to guys who aren't good enough for you. It's like hanging out with a group of girlfriends.
Hanging out with your girls here is also a plus. If you are ever in the mood for a bonfire, come on down to the Campground.

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26taurus
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posted May 27, 2008 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message

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Randall
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posted May 27, 2008 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message
LTT, I have an opinion, just like you do, yet you say I don't understand? That's not very nice of you. SC has feelings for him, and he's not beating her, so I feel like she should help him with his intimacy issues and wait it out a while longer. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

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MysticMelody
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posted May 27, 2008 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
Randall has a point... this guy did help her move in, provided some material things for her and spent a lot of time with her daughter, in addition to the friendship. This does give an indication that he really does care for her as more than a "friend with benefits". He also said he is "beginning to really like her". It is still good for SC to break away from the emotions for a while. She needs to maintain solid ground and get her bearings so she can decide what is best for her child and herself. Random others who she doesn't know too well come second to that priority in a very real way. This way of thinking can help her take it back to what it really is... getting to know and "really like" some guy as a friend and possible companion. She told him in her letter she would be there for him as a friend. If he wants more he has a chance to get to know her better and decide. It will still be much harder for her due to the skewed level of intimacy. Trust and intimacy issues are difficult enough when a couple is dedicated to working through those issues.
And I don't think her focus should be on "helping" him although that should be a small part of their friendship. He is not her husband and does not deserve her "all" if he is not willing to give his "all". That seems obvious, but at times women (and other overly loving and giving people) need this reminder to make choices about what they should give without becoming resentful and expecting/demanding things from others.

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posted May 27, 2008 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seveneieghtorange     Edit/Delete Message
SunChild,
You might love this person and yes, he might love you back but he is making you unhappy. No one in the world should make you feel that way. If you have to go through mountains to find him or get him to call you or he says he will call but he doesn't and it brings you heartache after heartache, then this may not be the healthiest relationship. I'm not saying you should cut it off with him. Maybe you can wean yourself away from him little by little. He may be a good guy to your daughter and he's a good guy in general, but it seems like he is a bit unreliable right now. Maybe it will all work out when he gets things sorted oout, but maybe right now is not the right time? I hope you are doing better, let us know what happens.

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NosiS
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posted May 27, 2008 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message
You are so wise, MM.

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posted May 27, 2008 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ghanima81     Edit/Delete Message
Big fat to Mel....

I have had a hard time reading this thread without the desire to post things I am glad I kept to myslef.... She has really thought this through and come out with words I could never....

SunChild, you are an amazing woman and an increddible spirit. You will find your way. You know what means the most to you in this world, and no matter what else is going on in your life, you will have that beautifuly little lady to bring a smile to your face every day...

I know you will be...

... just be...

you. And it will be wonderful. Blessed be.

Ghani

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26taurus
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posted May 27, 2008 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
(just to be clear; I dont think he does not "care" about her. )

And I dont think her focus should be on "helping" him either. She's a mother; she's got a young child to care for now and is probably the one who could use some help. Not an inconsistent man.

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posted May 27, 2008 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
seveneightorange, well said.

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posted May 28, 2008 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Melody,

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MysticMelody
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posted May 28, 2008 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks guys. Really nice to have 2 female thumbs-up and two male thumbs-up.

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SunChild
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posted May 29, 2008 06:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
Wow I was blown away with all the thoughtful replies.
I am going to read them all again in the morning when I'm not so tired!

A little update, he called again and we spoke for a while. I distanced myself emotionally, tried to keep equanimity!
He explained his side of the situation, he said he is trying to get his life back together, lisence/housing ect... he thinks about me and Tahlea a lot and admitted he went out partying all night and still feels guilty about not calling. He said he is just so busy. I said before anything else I am your friend and please just talk to me.

I kind of left the conversation fizzle out once he had his side out and I had my side out. We are going to meet on Saturday and before I let him anywhere near my "sacred place" there will be more to talk about.
And I will go from there I guess. I've been deep in thought tonight about things so once I've collected myself I will respond with my thoughts more in the morning.


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posted May 29, 2008 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wheelsofcheese     Edit/Delete Message
All the best to you sweetheart.

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NosiS
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posted May 29, 2008 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message

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SunChild
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posted May 29, 2008 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
Ok wow last night was weird!!!

After I posted my reply I got a knock on the door.
It was him. I said 'hi stranger' and tried to disarm the uncomfortable feeling we both were in.

I gave him a kiss on the cheek and we sat and talked for about 3 hours straight.
So many thoughts were passing through my mind, all of your responses, what my mother had said, and my dad, and my friends... so I had to quiet the chatter in my mind and trust myself to converse in a way that I am a 100% myself.

The feeling was intense, our eyes were locked on eachother and we spoke what was in our hearts and mind for a long while.

For someone who isn't spiritual outwardly, he has a lot of depth and wisdom and he had made some amazing observations about me, and I was stunned at his accuracy when he described how he perceives I view things. I found there is more to his being than he lets on. But still.... I kept equanimity.

I don't think I have ever communicated with someone so honestly without them feeling offended ever before. And vice versa.
Mick and I are much the same, he is exactly like I used to be.

He said its not that he doesn't want to talk to me its that he has a real dislike with talking on the phone, he prefers real life. He doesn't keep his mobile phone on him much at all, never puts credits on it and prefers to be a little old fashioned.
I said I can understand that, however, just a call to say you can't make it would suffice. He understood my need for a little communication and he would never play around with other women, he just loves his mates like brothers. He said this is the first time he's sersious about his life and putting everything back together because he sees me and Tahlea as a beautiful place to be for him.

I still protected myself and didn't throw myself at him just because he said a lot of heart warming things, which may be true or may not. I sense he is quite innocent and naive in how to keep women feeling that they exist and that they are being thought of... but of course I told him that, and he said that is exactly what his ex said to him.
I could tell he was having an ah'ha moment.

When we do get intimate it was very different from what i ever had because no one ever had been that unselfish in that way before. He made me feel like I was something special and took the time to make me really feel it. I couldn't get over the experiences we had in that way, I was glowing and maybe that is why I felt so inlove so fast. We are very compatible that way too, he is so gentle and receptive, amazing.

I am at a place now where I can see what is going on spiritually, emotionally and mentally, and I have learned to protect my heart and don't give all to him just yet, or I many never will. I wont get hurt, if anything changes, or if it seems that the magic conversation we had, and the understanding we both achieved becomes something he has forgotten about then I know our relationship will die anyway. If he meant it then it will be manifest in his word and actions, if not then bye bye.

NosiS, WHeels, LTT, Randall, 26t, HSC, MysticM, Seven, Ghanima, Bunniess, Zala, mamamia.... Thankyou you have all helped a lot, I wouldnt have had so much strength to be so confident if it wasn't for all the kind advice from you and my family.

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posted May 29, 2008 10:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
I'm glad you got to communicate, SunChild. Sounds good.

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NosiS
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posted May 29, 2008 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message
SunChild,

You are such a sweetheart.

I think that maintaining equanimity was the wisest thing to do.

Only time will tell now. Human will is the most capricious piece of music ever known.


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posted May 30, 2008 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message
That is great Sun.

Hoping for the best for you and all involved.

True love will come through
...Always.

Love to you.

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posted May 30, 2008 03:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aphrodite     Edit/Delete Message
"Keep your eyes wide open before marriage, half shut afterwards."

- Ben Franklin

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posted May 31, 2008 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message

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SunChild
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posted June 01, 2008 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SunChild     Edit/Delete Message
I have cut it off now. He just doesn't have enought time for me and I need someone who will be more a part of my life and I'm more a part of his. We did progress into more of an understanding but facts are facts and the truth is he is not ready.

I've had a couple of winks from a guy who works at the station and some guy in the local shop who loves to have a chat but I'm not going to act on it just because it will fill in some spare time, Im going to do my own thing for a while, I'll get used to working alone and wait as long as i need to for someone that I don't have to "umm"and"ahh" about. LOL

I feel a little icky today but I'm just going ot focus on things that are fun besides boys.

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posted June 01, 2008 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
SunChild ~

Your strength and maturity are beautiful to see
And there *are* lots of fun things to do in this world besides chase/court Boys

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posted June 01, 2008 10:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NosiS     Edit/Delete Message
The cosmic will is set within your will.

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posted June 01, 2008 10:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 26taurus     Edit/Delete Message

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