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posted July 09, 2008 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
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If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.

3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.

5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.

6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.

7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

9For we know in part and we prophesy in part,

10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.

11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.

12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.



---- Bible. New Testament. 1 Corinthians 13


I have always liked this passage, even though I can not say that I am a Christian really. I was in the 6th grade when I first read it, memorized it and understood it and since then, whenever I have been lead astray by my own foolishness, I have always gone back to this passage and each time I read it, I remembered something important that I have forgotten.

What do I usually forget?

I usually forget that LOVE is unconditional. This is not as idealistic as it sounds, it is just not as romantic as love is usually painted these days. But also, it holds within it a fundamental truth, and that is: When one's love is unconditional, this is when one has finally found their perfect mate.

I see a lot of people on this site blaming planetary placements for their loves rough path, blaming people's times of birth for their own lack of seeing beyond the flesh, and I see a lot of people getting really frustrated with the heavenly bodies because of a personal lack to see the God within people.

I am not one of those people that have to be perfect to speak of perfection, therefore, I write this with a long thread of failed relationships too so I am not excluding myself from this foolishness. So, take a breath before you accuse me of sitting on a high horse. But I am observant enough to see something that hurts me, a habit which perpetuates pain instead of evolving my soul - and I am afraid to say that many have lost the plot of what astrology is, or what it should do for us which is serve us - not for us to serve it.

Astrology is a tool, not a burden, nor is it a weapon for our prejudices to flourish. Astrology, and all other forms of "divination" or "esoteric sciences" are tools to make us understand, not to validate any of our actions and our fears. But, from my observations, I have noticed that astrology has been abused and defiled by fearful hearts looking for something that can never be found elsewhere, other then inside our hearts and souls.

Looking for love in the wrong places.

It matters not whether your Sun conjuncts his/her Venus unless you are going to use that as a way to bring out the potential of the relationship. It matters not that your charts are filled with red aspect lines unless you are going to use those "challenging" aspects to learn to love unconditionally.

I find many people looking for perfect partners and soulmates as if these people are hiding somewhere waiting to be found, when the truth is, these perfect partners are always in front of us, but because we lack the ability to see them, they are as good as not being there at all.

Ask yourself this. With the world filled with people who have no idea what astrology stands for, how is it that amongst those people we find people who love each other? Did they use astrology to find love? NO. They did not. Also consider this. In the beginning of a relationship, a pair might not be soulmates or the perfect partners but with age, time and wisdom the very same couple can develop to be soulmates. Have we all considered this or are we just waiting for the perfect partner to fall onto our laps and live happily ever after?

A truth that might be hurtful to others is that love has nothing to do with romance. Love is the least romantic thing when one thinks about it because in love there is more compromise and acceptance of the "evils" of people than just the idolization of the "good" in people. It has to do with balance and patience.

Are we abusing astrology? Are we abusing these tools that we have been given by using them the "wrong" way, by making astrology inspire our lack to see beauty in those around us? What are you using astrology for?

Personally, I think many have lost the plot, (some more than I have lost the plot) because all I am seeing are people giving up real godly love for romance - romance which fades with time - giving up an everlasting love for something that is temporary. This repeatedly hurts us, so why do we do it?

Love is to help us be the best that we can be, so when we love a person, we see the good in them that they can not see in themselves and we inspire them to see what we see. This is a long, tough and testing journey because it has to do with deprogramming old thoughts about the self and incorporating new ways of thinking. That is no easy task, hence love is seldom easy, or it is not long before it becomes difficult - but either way, because you have learned to see the god within your loved one, it is easier to forgive their trespasses, just as you would like your trespasses to be forgiven.

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posted July 09, 2008 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry for the typos but I will edit later.

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posted July 09, 2008 04:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Hi unmoved

i'm at work now so can't really give you a satisfying reply or up to par to what you have written. sorry first dear

but anyways, my take on astrology is quite different...I actually wish I have known all of these earlier. Not because I want to select the best fit for me like: Ohhhh he must be Cancer/Scor/Pisces to fit me. Ohhh his Venus must be this.that. etcc...

My first bf is a Saggie (Of course he is much more than that, both in astro terms lolz and personal). I know I was immature not to accept the differences between us. I kinda saw the cracks but refused to believe they exist. Had I known astro at that time, I would have been more patient and understanding...Astrology to me is not like black or white either. I use it to help my relationships. If it shows up bad, I'll try to work on that. If it shows up good, it boosts my confidence. In case it shows up reallyyy bad, well, I don't know, I am not attracted to those before I even look at their charts lolz.

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posted July 09, 2008 04:46 PM           Edit/Delete Message
Btw, I am not Christian either. But that quote is priceless. I first saw it 2 years ago. After ups and downs it still stays by my heart

Love is patient, Love is kind,
It does not envy, it does not boast,
It is not proud, It is not rude,
It is not self-seeking,
It is not easily angered,
It keeps no record of wrongs.

Love does not delight in evil,
but rejoices with the truth.

Love always protects, always trusts,
always hopes, always perseveres.

Love bears all things, believes all things,
hopes all things, endures all things.

Love never ends.

L o v e N e v e r F a i l s.

Corinthians 13 : 4 - 8


edited: oh haha Unmoved, i just saw your reply in other thread. quite coincidental isnt it

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posted July 09, 2008 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
I agree about the passage. It is timeless. It is one sure part of the bible that I believe is truth (for me) because it is untarnished by time. When all else fails, it reminds me again that I should not be proud, or I should not rejoice in the pain of the other, and if I do... it means I am not (in) LOVE at that moment.

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posted July 09, 2008 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
good on you, unmoved, my sentiments exactly. in fact years ago i considered being an astrologer but the questions people asked were to me unanswerable! the answers do lie within us, and synastry can only illuminate the dynamics of relationships, not tell us who is our soulmate - in my opinion that is knowable only within one's heart...

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posted July 09, 2008 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
Brilliant!!

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posted July 09, 2008 09:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message
good post. i admit i have used astrology against people in the love dept. ive learned that perfect synastry/composite doesnt equal love. we really need to follow our hearts, stars cant explain everything.

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posted July 09, 2008 09:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message
unmoved-

i love that corinthians. i grew up reformed jewish which was not much of anything. i recently started reading the bible because it is a good story and it has some great TRUTHS in it. thanks for turning me on to that!

so, so TRUE about astrology and how people place "blame, fault, excuses" on sometihng else besides what is within.

love is answer but it must come from within ours-elves first. my life is very hard right now but my life is my responsibilty not what the planets, stars aspects say. free will comes with this life.

we need to love ours-elves which can be challenging sometimes. when i found that love, i was able to see it resounding more than i has before. it is more palpable than before. some days it is a struggle to know how much love i have for mys-elf and then look outward and see taht it is not always reciprocated.

my chart would say that is because my north node and saturn are in aries. i say it is because of where my life is due to me, my choices - my mind and actions and reactions. i fully believe in past lives and karma and that within this life we need to balance that out and correct it. within all of this is my free will. my chart can direct me, guide me as to how i can change my life by using that free will to help break the negative unpaid debts of my karmic cycle and to strive to be. to just be. be one with all life.

take a kind eye, a kind ear, a kind heart to listen to what your inner s-elf is saying. be gentle and know it is ok. as linda said GURU is GEE YOU ARE YOU

thanks for the post.

many blessings

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posted July 09, 2008 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
Absolutely Unmoved! I feel the SAME way! Aspects don't guarantee ANYTHING. You heart is the one that signs the contracts and makes guarantees.

"STAND IN LOVE, DON'T FALL IN IT"

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I grew up attending the Church,being Catholic and beieveing in everything my family told me about God,Humanity and sins versus qualities....

Then i grew up and started to have my own perspective,my own Truths and my own View of Life - i started to see that many of what it is in the Bible is not as direct and easy as it is said there:they talk through enigmas,and to me,each one of us find their own significance within their hearts and how they incorporate those words.

But that part 1 Corinthians 13 is the one who goes right onto our Hearts - it never passes with time and it never changes according to our individuality.

It´s essence is the same as Khalil Gibran talks through his poems.

Thanks Unmoved

Btw - i only started looking at astrology after i met my bf and after our realtionship started.
It helps me to understand our behaviours better and to develop as a Higher Human Being,aware of the planets´s influence over us - not over our LOVE -

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posted July 10, 2008 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
Unmoved,

Thank you for channeling God. Thank you for allowing the communication to flow through you without resistance and thank you for using your talent of expression to package these Divine thoughts in a form we can use and understand. I know your words here have touched many lives and it takes a strong and giving heart to express these things when they come to the mind and soul. I know you speak to yourself, as much or more, as you speak to the rest of us... and I see you were worried your words would be used against you in fear and anger... and I can only hope that others will continue to be as gentle as you hoped to be in your expression. It really is amazing. So beautiful. And so True. Your expression was crystal clear and so enlightening. God chose well and at the perfect moment, as is so often (probably always) the case.

I just love it when someone takes a fearful thought form (such as maybe we all are just cursed, why do the planets cause this, why did God set things up this way, so hard...) and illuminates the real Truth from within this difficult thought form. It is a stroke of genius that can only be attributed to Grace. It is surely the answer to many sincere prayers. I could tell you felt good when you wrote it and I see and know it caused others to feel good, and see and know it was the impetus of much healing. I thank you again, from all of us, for the courage to speak your message. You honor Linda and all of LindaLand with your words and I feel it is a great honor and blessing to have your (and God's) message appear in Soul Unions.

God Bless You, Unmoved. Thank you for sharing your beautiful mind, heart, and soul. Thank you for this incomparably valuable gift of Love.


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posted July 10, 2008 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you all for your responses. I didn't mean to lecture. And I am taken aback by the reaction. I was expecting for people to pounce on my jugular, speaking like this in an astrology forum. But I find it difficult to be quiet for long when I see pervesion taking place before my eyes, when things can still be corrected.

I wrote that very hurriedly, and didn't even write it on Word before posting but just wrote it as is... and I am glad that it was comprehensible.

My main concern was not with just astrology, but with romance as a whole, where people make love what it isn't, not that I am an expert on love, But my Chiron is in the 7th house which means I can give pretty good advice about marriage and relationships when mine suck.

Romance is killing our capacity to love. People put romance before love and that is not correct in my eyes. Romance is an expression of love, not the other way around, and this idea of finding a partner through the alignment of the stars is a highly romanticized idea that could end us all in heartbreakville.

I am just hurt and concerned when I read about people who have lost their soulmates, people who are sincerely hurting.

It is good to remember that pain is false thought. Many of us do not remember this when we are swimming in pain, and the only way to rectify that pain is by loving unconditionally, not romantically.

This preconceived idea that we have to be with the ones we love, marry the ones we love, have sex with nes we love, are all just man made manifestations of human fear. There are no rules when it comes to godly love. Love does not have to be returned for it to be real and many people on our earth are under this impression. People believe that if I am not loved back then I am unworthy etc.

NO.

Love, LOve, Love and all that you give shall be returned to you with the graces of the universe, NOT when you think it should be returned.

The univese listens to our deepest desires, most of which are sub-conscious, so... you can never know the bigger plan awaiting you. So all I am saying is that, while we wait, let us not kill ourselves with depression and self hate. Let us keep HOPE and FAITH and most of all LOVE until we know what love is.

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posted July 10, 2008 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
One very important thing. I am not discouraging divorce. I think divorce was the best invention since sliced bread. I have never been married and I doubt that I will be soon because I have a lot to learn about godly love.

I am saying KNOW LOVE. That's all. When you know love, you can not feel guilty or obligated to do anything in the world.

WHY?

Because Love begins with self love. Remaining in a relationship where you are not expressing yourself with freedom or where you feel less than the Godly being that you are is not on.

LOVE = FREEDOM = GOD = INFINITY = TRUTH and more.

If your relationship lacks one of these, it has none of these, including love. So, all I am hoping is for people to relax about this love quest and just concentrate on learning what love is because if it comes, and they do not know it, they won't see it.

And yes, Linda was speaking of godly Love in my humble opinion, the same way as Buddha and Jesus did. The same way that I strive to speak of love.

Fear not.

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posted July 10, 2008 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
I feel your vibe sooo strongly and it is beautiful!

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posted July 11, 2008 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LetsDance     Edit/Delete Message
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"...what astrology is, or what it should do for us which is serve us - not for us to serve it."

Excellent. I love this. So enlightening and practical. Thank you, Unmoved.

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"It matters not whether your Sun conjuncts his/her Venus unless you are going to use that as a way to bring out the potential of the relationship. "

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"It matters not that your charts are filled with red aspect lines unless you are going to use those "challenging" aspects to learn to love unconditionally."

Wow. I agree. This makes total sense.

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"I find many people looking for perfect partners and soulmates as if these people are hiding somewhere waiting to be found, when the truth is, these perfect partners are always in front of us, but because we lack the ability to see them, they are as good as not being there at all."

I am guilty of this since learning about astrology. I guess I was just trying to eliminate as much stress as possible by at least seeing how "astrologically" compatible we are. My thoughts were that whatever traits were listed under the sign were traits of their character I had to deal with. If it was in conflict of mine, and if these traits manifested, I would consider the differences too innate and therefore no harmony could result. How cowardly of me.

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"Ask yourself this. With the world filled with people who have no idea what astrology stands for, how is it that amongst those people we find people who love each other? Did they use astrology to find love? NO. They did not. Also consider this. In the beginning of a relationship, a pair might not be soulmates or the perfect partners but with age, time and wisdom the very same couple can develop to be soulmates. "

This is so on point. Thank you, Unmoved.

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"A truth that might be hurtful to others is that love has nothing to do with romance. Love is the least romantic thing when one thinks about it because in love there is more compromise and acceptance of the "evils" of people than just the idolization of the "good" in people. It has to do with balance and patience."

Thank you for explaining this so clearly. I was thinking I wanted my boyfriend to be more romantic, because I thought that would be an indication to me of how he really felt about me. What you say is true and I paraphrase "love will inspire romance". And quite frankly, that's the only way I want both of them. I will use this wisdom myself.

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"Love is to help us be the best that we can be, so when we love a person, we see the good in them that they can not see in themselves and we inspire them to see what we see. This is a long, tough and testing journey because it has to do with deprogramming old thoughts about the self and incorporating new ways of thinking."

It's self-less. You are right, not easy for us humans, but not impossible. It totally results from a higher level of thinking.

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"That is no easy task, hence love is seldom easy, or it is not long before it becomes difficult - but either way, because you have learned to see the god within your loved one, it is easier to forgive their trespasses, just as you would like your trespasses to be forgiven. "

We are made in the image and likeness of God who is Love (Gen. 1:26). And by that very definition in Corinthians and Genesis, our true self is Love.

I will renew my mind with these truths.

Thank you, UnMoved.

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posted July 11, 2008 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LetsDance     Edit/Delete Message
MysticMelody, beautifully said. Love and light to you.

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posted July 12, 2008 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message
Rock on, Unmoved.

Thank you, LetsDance.

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posted July 03, 2009 05:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
bump for the newer guys

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posted July 03, 2009 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
This is sooooo appropriate for some things we talked about last night
Mel is right about you "channeling God," V
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In the beginning of a relationship, a pair might not be soulmates or the perfect partners but with age, time and wisdom the very same couple can develop to be soulmates. Have we all considered this or are we just waiting for the perfect partner to fall onto our laps and live happily ever after?
I think the latter is true when people are younger, due to the fairy tales we're fed as children.....
And it really upsets me that many people think that their Mission On Earth is to find and marry their "soulmate"
For me, the attraction comes first (not the astrology). I look to astrology to flesh out the attraction, and the potential for growth, and to find additional meaning and deeper nuance in the connection. This is not about the man, this is really about understanding *myself* in relation to another, as others bring out parts/sides of ourselves we may not have fully explored.....

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posted July 03, 2009 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aerialcircus     Edit/Delete Message
Unmoved, this was an inspiring post! I do think though (in general, at least) that most of the people I come in contact with who are into astrology generally make a jump from one side of that spectrum to the other with continued study, when they're ready to.

When they first start out, there is so much information! What do you do with ALL THAT information, especially when it seems to apply so perfectly to issues in former relationships, etc? If you've been hurt badly in the past (and especially if you are relatively young) it seems easy and even comforting to cling to sun sign compatibility and well known synastry aspects as a way out or in. In general I think this "phase" is harmless, as studying astrology (particularly synastry) has actually been very healing for me and actually allowed me to be MORE open to love.

The trick, as someone said in another thread, is to notice the patterns that crop up FOR YOU, study them and WORK on them. Pinpoint why they crop up, etc. I personally don't know anyone who would meet someone they genuinely liked only to write them off due to a lack of trines or Venus aspects, or because they are a Scorpio, etc. Do any of you? Maybe someone will SAY so, in jest, but if I met a man who truly put me at ease and made me feel like I could be 100% myself, I would obviously jump at the chance! Regardless of his date of birth or whether or not we have moon node contacts, etc.

On the flipside, my son's father and I have BEAUTIFUL synastry. He's a wonderful person and a great father, but we bring out the worst in each other as a couple. We're better people and parents with our relationship removed from the equation in spite of our Venus/Mars conjunction and directly even Asc/Desc axis. I never once used astrology to rationalize staying with him, or even as an excuse to leave him. If I did that, I'd just be going around in circles.

Astrology is an excellent tool for recognizing issues/conflicts and points of ease in relationships with anyone. It can make it easy for you to see how your energies will relate to one another, and allow you to study points of conflict and reflect on them. If someone is using astrology as a tool to avoid a relationship, maybe it's because they themselves aren't ready to be in a relationship like the one they've come across? Maybe someone chases romance because they haven't yet faced the side of them that can truly love? There are a lot of things that could be at play there, and time can heal all of them with desire and effort.

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posted July 03, 2009 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
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There are a lot of things that could be at play there, and time can heal all of them with desire and effort.

...and then you die.

My point is that sometimes people are not good and forgiving and patient and caring etc. because they are humans and because there is no time.

We can strive for goodness/godness but that's all.

Kinda tragic to be human, don't you think?

I throw astrology out the window when it comes to relationships, BTW, although it is curious to trace certain patterns in all my relationships.


Love is gentle and everlasting and forgiving and caring...
Love is also romance, emotional and sexual merging, passion...
Can you really have one and not the other and still honestly say that you loved and were loved?

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Kinda tragic to be human, don't you think?

I agree with ya'll here, I'm not disagreeing, I'm just offering another perspective as to why people might choose to do this. Is it a time waste? Sure. Would it be better for them if they could "snap out of it" and embrace love wholly? Of course! But people everywhere are hurt and scarred and roughed over, and they deal with it in different ways. Know Two Alike, you know? If it helps some people to use astrology as a shield while they cocoon and incubate for a while, who am I to judge? Lots of people do that, using various "shields." I disagree with it, and I do feel that astrology (like any spiritual system) can lead you down into despair if you choose to interpret it literally and fatalistically, but if that's someone's self-chosen journey? Healing can only come from within, so you've gotta do what you've gotta do. It might not be something I would choose, but who am I to deny or shame someone for their choice of healing process?

You know what Joni said, "Only with your laughter can you win."

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I think of tears, I think of rain on shingles
I think of rain, I think of roses blue
I think of Rose, my heart begins to tremble
To see the place she's lately gotten to
Gotten to, gotten to

She's gotten to mysterious devotions
She's gotten to the zodiac and Zen
She's gotten into tarot cards and potions
She's laying her religion on her friends
On her friends, on her friends

Friends who come to ask her for their future
Friends who come to find they can't be friends
Because of signs and seasons that don't suit her
She'll prophesy your death, she won't say when
Won't say when, won't say when

When all the black cards come you cannot barter
No, when all your stars are stacked you cannot win
She'll shake her head and treat you like a martyr
It is her blackest spell she puts you in
Puts you in, puts you in

In sorrow she can lure you where she wants you
Inside your own self-pity there you swim
In sinking down to drown her voice still haunts you
And only with your laughter can you win
Can you win, can you win

You win the lasting laurels with your laughter
It reaches like an arm before you sink
To win the solitary truth you're after
You dare not ask the priestess how to think
How to think, how to think."

-Joni Mitchell, "Roses Blue"


And another that really resonates:

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"What does it matter how many lovers you have if none of them gives you the universe?" — Jaques Lacan

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