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Polo C
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posted January 10, 2010 06:52 PM
 
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my connection with my exhusband and his twin brother is very similar. if they had been born closer together it would be even more so...however the relationships are NOT similar at all...
Can you tell me a little bit more about this? How is it the same and in what way is it different? IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted January 10, 2010 07:21 PM
I really don't see how Saturn/Neptune opposition would constitute a Twin Soul sign. Saturn/Neptune square or opposition is very hard to deal with. In the charts that I have seen, people with these aspects end up breaking up after many years together. IP: Logged |
Polo C
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posted January 10, 2010 08:11 PM
I don't know if it's true or not, but here is where I read it.Check it out! http://www.throughnightsfire.com/SaturnNeptuneconnections.html IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted January 10, 2010 10:36 PM
Thanks for the link, Polo. I am reading it, and I am not sure it describes twin souls. It seems to be a karmic relationship, one of the many karmic relationships we go through in various lifetimes, but twin souls, not necessarily so. IP: Logged |
Polo C
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posted January 10, 2010 10:41 PM
You're right. The opposition signifies a past life where one was taken from the other or something like that. You say it means that they will break-up after having been together for many years. Neither interpretation is a good one yet I have this aspect in my synastry although it's at a 14 degree orb, so I guess that isn't too bad, huh?IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted January 10, 2010 10:41 PM
Also, she did not specifically say that it has to be a Saturn/Neptune opposition. She said a Saturn/Neptune connection. It could be the square, or even conjunction that makes it a difficult relationship. I could imagine that a trine or sextile would be a pretty nice aspect to have with someone. That would probably ensure a longer steady and stable blissful relationship. IP: Logged |
Polo C
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posted January 10, 2010 10:55 PM
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Also, she did not specifically say that it has to be a Saturn/Neptune opposition. She said a Saturn/Neptune connection. It could be the square, or even conjunction that makes it a difficult relationship. I could imagine that a trine or sextile would be a pretty nice aspect to have with someone. That would probably ensure a longer steady and stable blissful relationship.
Not true... She actually said the opposition was the most prominent and trines should be considered too. Here, I'll quote it for ya _ quote:
Important AspectsThe opposition is the most prominent Saturn-Neptune connection. Of course a person could have this contact with many people of about the same age, so it is necessary to note the houses and the inner planet contacts that Saturn and Neptune make as well. Saturn or Neptune is usually in a 'karmic' house: 1st, 4th, 8th, 10th, 12th. Occasionally it may be found that the Sun, Moon, Venus, or Mars is in a karmic house and in a close configuration with the Saturn/Neptune connection. Use an orb under 3 degrees for the peripheral karmic house contact if neither Saturn or Neptune is in one of the above houses. If either Saturn or Neptune is in a karmic house, I would consider aspects with an orb as wide as 10 or even up to 12 degrees, depending on the other planets involved. The contact to the inner planets can be major or 'minor' challenging contacts, including the conjunction, square, semisquare, and sesiquadrate. The sextile and semisextile should be considered as well. The more fluent trine can be significant, especially if in a karmic house but it will usually indicate an easier relationship rather than a desperate loss. Follow your intuition and trust your own judgment when working with the Saturn-Neptune connection.
See? IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted January 10, 2010 11:01 PM
Yeah!! I see it now. I spoke too quickly. I should have finished reading the article before posting. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!Darn this mercury retrograde. lol. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted January 10, 2010 11:24 PM
Funny, she talked about the opposition, the trine/sextile and the square, but she didn't talk about the conjunction. I happen to have the conjunction with someone, and yes it is a VERY karmic relationship. IP: Logged |
Polo C
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posted January 10, 2010 11:31 PM
I'm beginning to see more art to astrology than science. Portions of it seem like Pseudo-science, because just like art, much is left up to the practitioners interpretation. How can we obtain truth like that? To me, once you consider all of the planets and asteroids, anything becomes possible. There is the potential for everything, it's just all in how you look at it. With so many things going on between charts, so many different expressions, how can you decide which ones to choose from at any given moment? I'm not saying the whole of astrology is this way, but something has got to give. With a number of things going on in a chart, predicting the outcome of behavior will be no greater than chance. IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted January 10, 2010 11:59 PM
I consider astrology an art. One cannot state anything with absolute certainty in astrology. That it is an art does not make it less valid in my eyes. Science cannot even touch why people are attracted to each other, why they breakup and the inner workings of their relationships. I have been seen interpretation of relationships from astute astrologers than I have seen from scientists. ETA: I meant to say that I have seen BETTER interpretation of relationships from astute astrologers than I have seen from scientists. IP: Logged |
Polo C
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posted January 11, 2010 12:16 AM
astute astrologers - Well then maybe that's what we need more of here on these threads so they can act as a voice of reason among all the chaos and bring some clarity to these discussions..IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted January 11, 2010 10:59 PM
to reply, polo, the CHART connection is the same, except for a few orbs that are wider in one than the other.the relationships couldn't be more different. i would never in a million years have married one, but i did marry the other. nuff said IP: Logged |
Polo C
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posted January 11, 2010 11:37 PM
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i would never in a million years have married one, but i did marry the other. nuff said
So what does this say about synastry then? IP: Logged |
Deux*Antares
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posted January 12, 2010 05:59 AM
Katatonic, the way I see it is this: You had a pre-birth soul contract with your ex-husband to meet as a couple in this incarnation and he had a separate soul contract with his brother to meet as twins. This explains why your relationship with him is unique. Even though they have very similar natal charts they couldn't have the same type of relationship with another person, unless there had been a prior agreement.
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Solarflare
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posted January 13, 2010 03:01 AM
Polo CThat post was for your reading. You have read it so I am changing it. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted January 13, 2010 02:19 PM
you are aware, polo, that even science is mostly relative and subject to the interpretation of the scientist? you are going to wait - or search - a very long time before you find an absolute truth anywhere...i agree, deux, AND i believe the other brother agreed to introduce us!! as an interesting sideline i had a fantasy as a teenager of ditching one brother for another... the chart differences are small but significant...and pretty much down to the angles...the MCs are pretty close but the ACs of these twins are 5 degs apart, and since they aspect several points in my chart that does make a huge difference... IP: Logged |
DD
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posted January 13, 2010 02:49 PM
Kata,it probably also makes a difference if you consider the rulerships of the houses, or are they all the same? IP: Logged |
Polo C
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posted January 13, 2010 07:25 PM
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you are aware, polo, that even science is mostly relative and subject to the interpretation of the scientist? you are going to wait - or search - a very long time before you find an absolute truth anywhere...
Who said anything about science? It wasn't me... The Scientific Method is just one means of studying reality, but there are other ways as well. I said I am interested in Truth, but I never said I restrict myself to science. Scientific Hypothesis and theories may be subject to the interpretation of the scientist, but not scientific fact. They have opinions just like everyone else and theirs carry no more weight against fact than yours. The facts lead to the discovery of truth, not opinions, no matter whose opinion it is. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted January 14, 2010 01:47 AM
A long time ago I was reading a sentence in the program of a musical."Facts are the adversaries of truth" I am still trying to understand what that means. IP: Logged |
Polo C
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posted January 14, 2010 02:41 AM
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A long time ago I was reading a sentence in the program of a musical.
"Facts are the adversaries of truth"I am still trying to understand what that means.
You and me both, because unless that statement has something to do with with events specific to that musical, it is completely inaccurate.
- Fact: The truth about events as opposed to interpretation
- Adversary: One's opponent in a contest, conflict, or dispute
- Truth: That which is true or in accordance with fact or reality
By traditional definition of the english language, this just simply cannot be the case. IP: Logged |
Solarflare
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posted January 14, 2010 04:33 AM
Polo C quote:
Because of the telepathy and synchronicity I have experienced in this encounter
Do you do a reading too? IP: Logged |
DD
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posted January 14, 2010 05:52 AM
Polo,I don`t think it is an inaccurate statement. Right now I believe that it wants to say that you can`t just add fact one to fact two and then get the truth.
But that truth probably has a more spiritual dimension,too.
I think it is just an opinion voiced on this program. And noone has to agree with it.
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It may be inaccurate, if you only take the meaning as per dictionary into account though.
I think this sentence may refer more to the connotation of "truth" (whatever the author thought it was) than to its literal meaning as per dictionary.
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Polo C
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posted January 14, 2010 11:40 AM
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It may be inaccurate, if you only take the meaning as per dictionary into account though.
I think this sentence may refer more to the connotation of "truth" (whatever the author thought it was) than to its literal meaning as per dictionary.
We cannot make up our own meaning for words if we want to be clearly understood. By doing so the idea becomes ambiguous and vague. I don't know what the author means by truth, but I know what the truth is and I know what a fact is and nothing about the two causes them to be adversaries of one another. In fact, they are synonymous with one another. quote:
Right now I believe that it wants to say that you can`t just add fact one to fact two and then get the truth.
But that truth probably has a more spiritual dimension,too.
But that's not what he said, that's what you're saying. He doesn't explain why he says what he says and what he says is all that we have. I am saying that what he says is completely and totally false as it stands. quote:
Do you do a reading too?
Are you asking if I do readings? No, I don't. Outside of this encounter I have never experienced this degree of telepathy or synchronicity. It's the most profound spiritual experience I have ever had to date. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted January 14, 2010 12:43 PM
it probably also makes a difference if you consider the rulerships of the houses, or are they all the same?
_________________________________________DD the signs on all their houses are identical, only the degrees are different. however the asc difference means one has neptune conj asc by 2* and the other by 6*!! and one has saturn in the 2nd, the other in 3rd...tho if you use equal houses that saturn sits in the 3rd for both... they both have ic within a couple of degs of my moon, and chiron just the other side! their MC conj my merc by a very few degs too. all the planet aspects are basically the same. IP: Logged |
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