posted January 14, 2010 01:53 PM         

I would consider the 6 degree conjunction of Neptune-ASC as too wide.

Did you have a look at the persona charts? Especially of ASC and DESC?

Polo,

I am certainly not defending this sentence; as I said I still struggle myself understanding the meaning of it.

Anyway, what I want to point out is that truth is not always a synonym for fact.

Especially not if we are dealing with emotions like love for example.

Facts can be proven, as you can see them externally. A baseball bat hitting someone`s head, you definitely can see that.

But what about love?
How is love a fact? How can it be proven externally?
It can`t, cause it is felt internally. Only you know if you love someone or not.

So it can`t be seen in the "outside reality", but still it is true.

There is a difference between dealing with events and emotions.

And I think that is what makes it so difficult to really prove if two people are twinsouls or soulmates.

posted January 14, 2010 03:06 PM         

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There is a difference between dealing with events and emotions.

And I think that is what makes it so difficult to really prove if two people are twinsouls or soulmates.

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When you feel something internally, that IS an Emotional EVENT! Anything that occurs in space for any duration of time is an event. Whether it be external or internal. Emotions happen as a result of psychological triggers that produce physiological reactions, or feelings caused by beliefs to be more concise.

The difficulty in proving whether or not SM or TF exist comes from the fact that too many people speak of it, but have no idea what the hell they are talking about. Very few people have the actual experience to know. Once we remove the romanticism and fantasy from it all and zero in on the facts, we can then find the truth. This is exactly what I have been trying to do, but to no avail with this community and group of people unfortunately.

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Facts can be proven, as you can see them externally. A baseball bat hitting someone`s head, you definitely can see that.

But what about love?
How is love a fact? How can it be proven externally?
It can`t, cause it is felt internally. Only you know if you love someone or not.

So it can`t be seen in the "outside reality", but still it is true.

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It isn't externally that facts can be proven, it's objectively, whether it be external or internal. It isn't that love cannot be proven, as anything that exists can be proven, the problem is that, for so many, love has not been properly defined. If you don't know "What" it is how can you know "When" it is? I think some people prefer not to know so they can define it in any way they wish, but this will only lead to unfounded foolishness that will ultimately lead one away from reality and experiencing anything Real, including LOVE.

Sometimes other people can see and know that you love someone before you do by observing your behavior and emotional state. I have defined love as an expression of truth and defined the truth as an expression of design. Design being God. So, from God comes the truth and from truth comes love. God is eternal, the Truth is eternal and Love is eternal. If the love you have is transitory and comes to an end, then it wasn't grounded in truth and it didn't come from God. The only things that are safe, or good, must come from God by design. Love and truth are both aspects of God, so if you don't know God, you wont value the truth and you cannot understand love. You may think you can, but you can't because that goes against the universal law and order of the cosmos.

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Anyway, what I want to point out is that truth is not always a synonym for fact.

Especially not if we are dealing with emotions like love for example.

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Your resistance to the absoluteness of truth really bothers me. You want to believe that the truth is relative, but it is your perception of it that is relative. As you acquire more and more truth your perception changes, but the truth itself, does not.

The eternal truth is what produces the infinite reality. A fact is a portion of reality; like a single piece of a puzzle. One must properly combine the facts in order to view a larger reality. This bigger picture of reality reveals the truth that was sought.

posted January 14, 2010 04:01 PM         

You think you know truth and I don`t.

I hope you find what you are looking for.

posted January 14, 2010 04:09 PM         

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You think you know truth and I don`t.

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posted January 14, 2010 04:39 PM         

The meaning of a word is determined by its use. That use is constantly changing, because it is dependent on the people who use it. And once enough people use a word in the same way, the dictionary will write down the "new" meaning. That is the reason that a dictionary from 18th century and one from 20th century will give different or modified meanings to the same word.

The meaning of words is dependent on the context and may even vary in different social groups; of course certain linguistic conventions should be followed.
Yet those conventions are not rigid, as you try to make them out to be, but are flexible and in motion.

So let`s have a look at a definition for "fact":

". something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth. "

So, in the end it comes down to experience:

"1. a particular instance of personally encountering or undergoing something: My encounter with the bear in the woods was a frightening experience.
2. the process or fact of personally observing, encountering, or undergoing something: business experience.
Philosophy. the totality of the cognitions given by perception; all that is perceived, understood, and remembered"

ttp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/experience

So if I perceive a ghost (I didn`t say I did though), then this is an experience.

A fact is "a truth known by actual experience" - since I perceived this ghost (an actual experience), this is a truth.

That is what the dictionary sais.

posted January 14, 2010 05:10 PM         

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". something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth. "

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It doesn't come down to experience, it comes down to existence. For something to exist it must Be Real and if it is real it is true. Now I'm thinking that something is wrong with your mind because you can't even perceive the truth in the definition that you just picked. It's right in front of your face and you still can't see it. What is the matter with you?

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So, in the end it comes down to experience:

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You can't experience something unless it REAL-ly exists.

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So if I perceive a ghost (I didn`t say I did though), then this is an experience.

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Yes, it is indeed an experience, but was the ghost experienced as an external event that can be objectively experienced by others, or was the ghost simply a figment of your imagination and only exists subjectively in your mind?

If it is only in your mind then the ghost does not exist independent of your imagination, so, your imagination would be real, but the ghost would not be real. The imagination is what you experienced and this erroneously made you believe in the objective reality of the ghost. If you do not compile objective evidence before you form a belief, you may never realize that the ghost was a product only of your mind and imagination.

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A fact is "a truth known by actual experience" - since I perceived this ghost (an actual experience), this is a truth.

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A fact is TRUTH know by experience. TRUTH, not Falsehood and illusions known by experience. How you perceive things from your experience may not be accurate and so what you believe to be true may actually be untrue and so it cannot be fact because in order to be a fact, it must be TRUE.

If there is no objective evidence or proof then the only truth is that you have imagined it. If you construct a system of belief based on these self produced mental images then nothing of what you believe will be consistent with reality. In which case, a person will do exactly what you are attempting to do right now: Override actual reality with self made beliefs that are based on your subjective imagination. All who are insane and have lost touch with reality have taken this path.

posted January 14, 2010 05:27 PM         

Yeah, you got me all figured out. I am crazy. My mind is not working properly.

But at least I donīt feel the need to devaluate everyone and everything I can`t understand.

Maybe there is absolute truth. But you will not find it until you know what reality is.
And as long as you donīt acknowledge that feelings and emotions are as real as your beloved facts, you will never know truth.

You are juggling words to hide the lack of content.

"Override actual reality with self made beliefs that are based on your subjective imagination."
That is exactly what you have been doing, ever since you came to LL.

Let`s break the cycle here and now.

posted January 14, 2010 05:44 PM         

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And as long as you donīt acknowledge that feelings and emotions are as real as your beloved facts, you will never know truth.

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Feelings and emotions are facts of human psychology and physiology and I said that earlier silly. I have never said that emotions or feelings were unreal and that proves that you don't comprehend what you READ.

I said that BELIEFS created by one's imagination, inspired by feelings and emotions can distort one's perception of reality. Even your case against me and what I say has no basis in fact or reality. The more you write, the less confidence I have in your psychological stability.

I guarantee you that if anyone goes back to read these last few post objectively, they too will see that what I am saying about you is the truth. You friends wont admit these things to you because they care more about your feelings than I do. It's easier for me because I do not care where I fit into this group. You can love me or hate me, but I am unaffected by what you feel, all I care about is the truth and what is right.

posted January 14, 2010 06:11 PM         

" I have never said that emotions or feelings were unreal and that proves that you don't comprehend what you READ.!"
No it only proves, that I grew so tired so I did not read properly what you wrote.

"I said that BELIEFS created by one's imagination, inspired by feelings and emotions can distort one's perception of reality."
Whose beliefs are created by their imaginations?
I rather think it is a mix of own experience, feeling / imagination and events that create our beliefs, but not jsut one aspect alone. That would be a weak foundation for a belief.

"Even your case against me"
I have no case against you.

"the less confidence I have in your psychological stability."
Don`t worry! It`s just your arrogance that makes me go a little bit crazy.

"I guarantee you that if anyone goes back to read these last few post objectively, they too will see that what I am saying about you is the truth."
If that is what makes you happy

"You can love me or hate me,"
I guess from a higher perspective I must care for you, as otherwise I wouldnīt have spent all this time with these fruitless discussions.

"all I care about is the truth and what is right."
I believe you.
And if you believe it or not, that is what I care about, too.

"Something is gravely wrong!"
Yes it is.

posted January 14, 2010 06:24 PM         

" For something to exist it must Be Real and if it is real it is true."
I agree.
The question that remains is: what is reality?
Is it what we can see, touch, smell, taste?

" Now I'm thinking that something is wrong with your mind because you can't even perceive the truth in the definition that you just picked."
I didn`t even interprete the definition. I just repeated it.

"ou can't experience something unless it REAL-ly exists."
You`re repeating yourself.

"Yes, it is indeed an experience, but was the ghost experienced as an external event that can be objectively experienced by others"
That was not mentioned in the dictionary entry. All it said was that if you PERSONALLY perceive something, than it is an experience.

On the other hand it of course enhances the probability of something to be "real", if several people see the same thing, independent from each other.
But that was not part of the definition, which only shows, that a dictionary-definition doesn`t cover EVERYTHING.

"he imagination is what you experienced and this erroneously made you believe in the objective reality of the ghost."
So love is also just a figment of imagination?
I ask you again - and you seem to continuously dodge the answer-. how do you prove the existence of love?

"ow you perceive things from your experience may not be accurate and so what you believe to be true may actually be untrue and so it cannot be fact because in order to be a fact, it must be TRUE."
Yeah, that is logical.
There is always the possiblity of being wrong.

"f there is no objective evidence or proof then the only truth is that you have imagined it."
No, that is not entirely right. It just means that you can neither verify nor falsify the truth of it.

You are talking a lot about God. How do you prove God?

posted January 14, 2010 11:07 PM         

WRONG!

Polo,
a fact can be something you are told and take for granted lol
eg. You are more likely to be killed by a car than a plane. FACT. not by experience unless you have died in a plane and resurrected yourself.