posted August 10, 2010 08:33 PM         

Then when bunnies and others offended you, the writing style changed and it almost seemed like a completely different person was posting.

Interesting....

posted August 10, 2010 08:39 PM         

But we Cancers do have a rep for being unforgettable ... Guys dream about us long after were gone. We impact on ppl Moon Maidens. LoL

Then one Scorp's wife called me. :O. Wife?? I met many more Scorps and like you BMoon opted not to go there with them based on their sign! LoL ahahahaha!

But I'm like a Scorp magnet so I said okay let me see what this one is like since I knew him since we were 4 and we had years of friendship. LoL

posted August 10, 2010 09:13 PM         

And you're right... Your comment is totally off point and therefore I do not see the point in you making it. Esp wen you know it is off point.

posted August 11, 2010 12:44 AM         

You can save your immature diatribe for someone else.

As for me leaving a comment. Bunnies and others said it best. You are in denial about a closed off, insecure, cheating Scorp that deep down you know will NOT give you love that you so desparately seek. You said it all in the first part of your initial post that "he will not give in". That is code for "he is NOT that in to YOU".

If you had asked a serious question about a relationship between you and a Scorp that WAS into you, then you would receive feedback that is in line with the question.

posted August 11, 2010 12:59 AM         

{Exits the forum after a good laugh}

posted August 11, 2010 06:32 AM         

Bunnies was trying to help you, not offend you, so that you wouldn't find yourself in the same position as those whose hearts he's broken. A man not committing has nothing to do with his sign - there has been talk of Pisces men (or men with a strong Pisces influence) floating back in and out of people's lives (my own included) - but what it comes down to, is that they (most men), are just going to do what they want, unless they have already committed and their feelings are strong enough that they feel little temptation to stray.

posted August 11, 2010 06:54 AM         

Here's my suggestion:

1. You can't get any man to marry you, so the initial question is problematic. This Scorpio, like a man of any sun sign, is going to do what he's inclined to, and nothing else. It sounds from what you describe like perhaps he was overwhelmed by the connection. He's acting like a classic "runner" (term used by Steve Gunn in his website/book).

2. If you want to know more about your actual synastry and composite, you need to do a little legwork and find out times of birth. Were you born in this country? If so, your birth certificate (which is accessible in the county of your birth) should have it documented. Find out Mr. Scorpio's time of birth. Then post the charts on this forum and see if anyone cares to comment. The charts are all-important.

3. If money is not a problem for you, you might consider getting a paid astrological consultation. Geocosmic Valentine and IQ come to mind immediately as two regulars on this forum who also do analyses on the side.

posted August 11, 2010 08:55 AM         

quote:

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{Enters the forum..... notes the ignorance posted}

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The ignorance I see is coming from you, and that's to the fact that you are being PLAYED.

posted August 11, 2010 09:57 AM         

She knows me so I listened to her. After all I don't know it all. Hehehehe. And I wise men always consults with counsel.

So I tried. But my conclusion was ........
I just don't have the patience to deal with that. I think he's a good guy too but I can't work with someone if they're not workable. Its like he's still punishing his self for messing up his 1st committed relationship. I'm like dude we mess up, its okay, God grants us brand new mercies everyday. You're not a young immature guy anymore. So as long as you're becoming a better person you deserve to try and get it right. He seems to try but.... I don't know, he appears to be afraid of being left again; abandonment issues??? I don't know.
My bestfriend (guy) which is a friend of his as well, said that he hasn't been the same since his father died. He shutdown and fell off the map and spent less time with the guys. It was like he died when his father died. So they were all shocked when he started bringing me to places and trying to enjoy life bcuz he stays to his self. My BF asked me like bestfriend what did you do to him?
So I tried to "work with" him. Not just bcuz of the love relationship aspect but bcuz before anything else he's my friend. We've been good friends since we were 4 yrs old.

But I don't have the patience. My struggle is balance. In some situations I'm trying to determine if I'm being impatient or not. I detest the idea of being a doormat so I will just cut something short to avoid being mistreated by someone. My sister said that's carrying baggage. But I think its being smart and cautious. Then she said what if he gave up on you that time when you shut the world out and needed someone to stick around work with you through your broken pieces.... faithfully. (Sigh)
So I tried..... I really did.

posted August 11, 2010 10:12 AM         

Before I go further and assume something... Let me ask you a question.

Do you think that was being NICE to me when Bears came onto the forum for the sole purpose of starting up another negative discussion after we moved past that to have a regular discussion?
Do you think that was okay?
If someone had done that to YOU how would YOU have responded to that?

posted August 11, 2010 11:04 AM         

At any rate.....
Teasel thank you for a regular response. All I wanted from everyone was to have a respectful conversation. The way you just responded to me and basically said *** No he's not gonna commit don't waste your time. Here's why, I experienced this with a guy and gave further detail.***
THAT IS GREAT!! (Not great you had to experience that)
But its the exact TRUTH that I seek. You weren't telling me I had low self esteem or assuming I'm a weak person about to get her heart broke bcuz she doesn't value herself. You SIMPLY gave your opinion and supported it with the explanation just as bunnies should have done.
So although Bunnies may not have intended to offend me she did with how she worded it.
I don't think ppl really read Bunnies words and put themselves in my shoes.
*** "Stop making yourself so lacking in self worth" *** "Start learning to value yourself" ***

I'm like come on guys.... That is offensive. Because Bunnies doesn't know ME to say that. How wud you guys feel if someone said that to you? Its not like she sees me posting on tons of forums and can come to that conclusion. Therefore I felt she was out of line saying the above comments. I was insulted. We don't have a rapport. So although she didn't intend to offend me she did. She didn't give me any examples of her experience or anything. So when Yin said Bunnies has eons of experience over me. How do I KNOW that when Bunnies didn't share her experience. She just came on cursing and insulting my character. That's disrespectful.

BUT I agreed with some of what she said.
BUT the insults and her harsh tone outshined her good advice and PREVAILED. It made it all feel negative to me. But not to anyone else bcuz they weren't the ones being called a female with low self esteem and no self worth. I require respect when being communicated with. Its NOT too much to ask for. It shows you're civilized with morals & etihics and its humane; and that is what separates us from the animals.

posted August 11, 2010 11:22 AM         

At the end of the day whether we work or now he is still my friend at the foundation of this. So even if we don't have a romantic relationship. He's my friend, I love him (and then fell in love with him). But the friendship love we have won't let me just dismiss him and not care like I've done others. I want to be there as a friend if nothing else works. We've been friends since we were 4.

I prefer that he get himself sorted, and seek you out/plan a proposal, and want a life with me, because he really wanted that? EXACTLY like you said. I love the surprise proposal out of love. Not forced OR bcuz you think you shud bcuz its been years. Do it because you're ready to love me for life.

I won't even stay in a relationship with a guy if I think I forced it. I just wanted to know if its something with HIM or ME or BOTH of us that is complicating all of this.

posted August 11, 2010 11:36 AM         

Oh no no no!!! See I'm glad you know her and you could enlighten me bcuz I thought Bears was just being a jerk box! LoL
She just came on and said that and I was like... What??? Why??? Why are you here if not to talk??

My apologies to you BearsArcher...

posted August 11, 2010 01:51 PM         

I wasn't trying to be a "jerk-box" LOL.. I was noting something totally different in the manner of your responses but not to incite some kind of fight.

As to your Scorpio- I know the kind of man he is although I don't attribute it to any one astrological sign but instead a deep pathology that seems to stem in some men.

My mom is a Cancer and I find that some Cancer women sell themselves short and will wait things out when they know the person is not on the up and up. I have watched my mother get hurt with friends, men and clients (she is a hair dresser). She has no idea of how phenomenol she is as a person and with her work, so she will often allow others to step all over her until she finally gets sick of it and then cuts them off completely.

Romantically, I have seen her give off the ice princess vibe and that only seems to attract people that 1) find it a challenge to break down that facade and try to break down the person 2) come into her life knowing that the facade stems from her being hurt before.

It bothers me because she is a good woman and a beautiful woman.

The man you are speaking of sounds like so many that have come into her life only to hurt her. I had one man slip through the crack in my life and in less than 2 years he caused much damage- emotionally, financially and physically. He too played the "oh woe is me, I am closed off emotionally because of all the hurt I have been through. I only cheated because I was afraid to fall in love.. or my favorite.. I was afraid of losing you and thought you would cheat on me". Up until that point I had fared well in love and even when things didn't work out, I found no animosity when I split with exes. He was the exception LOL..

However, a sound person, one with a strong heart and will, does not allow the hurt to close them off and affect them forever (ok.. maybe that is the Sag Sun / Aries moon motto). I took time for myself and went about my life and then a Leo stumbled in and bam... here I am 4 years later married

What I am trying to say is that you are too good to allow a man that spent 7 years with a woman cheating on her, regardless if once was only sexually. He took the time to pursue and take women on dates all the while being with one woman. To me, he sounds like he is narcissistic and uses people for his own needs but gives only tiny parts of himself to keep them hooked.

posted August 11, 2010 03:51 PM         

WOW! Thank you for sharing that and enlightening me. You hit so many of my own thoughts!! But my struggle with checking my self for unfairness & impatience overruled my decision to turn into the ice princess.
I think my moon is in libra. (So I've been told) So I think that's the reason I'm always trying to weigh out good & bad and make sure something is just and fairly balanced.
I know that my flaw is always wanting things my way. And being impatient as well. So I was like wait let me see and check myself. Esp. Since my sister pointed out my flaws and told me I'm just as complicated as he is in relationships. She says I'm carrying baggage
I told her I'm not carrying baggag bcuz at least now I will TRY to work with someone. I don't just dismiss guys so easy anymore. Sumtimes I wud be so annoyed enduring a person I wanted to dismiss. But didn't bcuz of tryna give a fair chance.

But I'm sorry I have no patience and if I feel like you don't have my best interest in heart then I say » You are the weakest link goodbye! LoL

***some Cancer women sell themselves short and will wait things out when they know the person is not on the up and up.***

I can darn sure attest to that. That's how I used to be in my long term committed relationship with a Virgo. It hurt me to leave bcuz I gave my all to it and the love was still in my heart. . The child in common made it hard for me to leave. I told him wait til you see my new shoes. He ridiculed me and said you don't have enuff money to buy shoes. I'm the bread winner. (I was in college at the time)
But I told myself he doesn't deserve a woman like you. And it will hurt when you leave but it will hurt more if you stay. So in 1 months time I planned and got an apt for me & my child. Bought stuff for my new place and hid it from him. Moved my stuff when he wasn't around and then SURPRISE I'm leaving I have my own place. Then I walked away in my new shoes and headed to my new apt. LoL
I
After him... I said Never Again will I allow someone to not appreciate me. I'm a good person, faithful, loving and loyal and deserve the same in return. So I've been guarded but at some point I wud let it down and still try. But I detached myself so I cud switch from the "warm & loving" demeanor to the "cold, screw you & kick rocks loserface" demeanor.

And you're so right about ppl wanting to break that facade. I've noticed that about a lot of men too and dropped them. Like you said we cancers can just drop someone like a bad habit. LoL
And bcuz of that ability ppl think I'm cold & mean... When I'm really just tryna protect the sensitive love I have. And bcuz I'm not into wasting my precious time or yrs on a guy like I did with my childs father. And you know what Bears... He said if it wasn't for the child I know you wudve left me a longggggg time ago. Yess Sir I wud have!!
LoL

But with Scorp guy... I tried so now my sentiments are if he wants me he will come get me. But he better come correct and then hope that I will give him a chance.
He will always be my friend but I can't be bothered with his issues. He does appear to be emotionally unavailable. And I can't deal with that. I told him you know some of my history and you see me trying.
We go back, way back to coloring books and Similac so you shud trust me more. I took a chance with my heart and if you don't take a chance with yours then there's no reason for us to waste the time.

A chance is like a picture, it’d be nice if you just take it.

posted August 11, 2010 03:58 PM         

WOW! Thank you for sharing that and enlightening me. You hit so many of my own thoughts!! But my struggle with checking my self for unfairness & impatience overruled my decision to turn into the ice princess.
I think my moon is in libra. (So I've been told) So I think that's the reason I'm always trying to weigh out good & bad and make sure something is just and fairly balanced.
I know that my flaw is always wanting things my way. And being impatient as well. So I was like wait let me see and check myself. Esp. Since my sister pointed out my flaws and told me I'm just as complicated as he is in relationships. She says I'm carrying baggage
I told her I'm not carrying baggag bcuz at least now I will TRY to work with someone. I don't just dismiss guys so easy anymore. Sumtimes I wud be so annoyed enduring a person I wanted to dismiss. But didn't bcuz of tryna give a fair chance.

But I'm sorry I have no patience and if I feel like you don't have my best interest in heart then I say » You are the weakest link goodbye! LoL

***some Cancer women sell themselves short and will wait things out when they know the person is not on the up and up.***

I can darn sure attest to that. That's how I used to be in my long term committed relationship with a Virgo. It hurt me to leave bcuz I gave my all to it and the love was still in my heart. . The child in common made it hard for me to leave. I told him wait til you see my new shoes. He ridiculed me and said you don't have enuff money to buy shoes. I'm the bread winner. (I was in college at the time)
But I told myself he doesn't deserve a woman like you. And it will hurt when you leave but it will hurt more if you stay. So in 1 months time I planned and got an apt for me & my child. Bought stuff for my new place and hid it from him. Moved my stuff when he wasn't around and then SURPRISE I'm leaving I have my own place. Then I walked away in my new shoes and headed to my new apt. LoL
I
After him... I said Never Again will I allow someone to not appreciate me. I'm a good person, faithful, loving and loyal and deserve the same in return. So I've been guarded but at some point I wud let it down and still try. But I detached myself so I cud switch from the "warm & loving" demeanor to the "cold, screw you & kick rocks loserface" demeanor.

And you're so right about ppl wanting to break that facade. I've noticed that about a lot of men too and dropped them. Like you said we cancers can just drop someone like a bad habit. LoL
And bcuz of that ability ppl think I'm cold & mean... When I'm really just tryna protect the sensitive love I have. And bcuz I'm not into wasting my precious time or yrs on a guy like I did with my childs father. And you know what Bears... He said if it wasn't for the child I know you wudve left me a longggggg time ago. Yess Sir I wud have!!
LoL

But with Scorp guy... I tried so now my sentiments are if he wants me he will come get me. But he better come correct and then hope that I will give him a chance.
He will always be my friend but I can't be bothered with his issues. He does appear to be emotionally unavailable. And I can't deal with that. I told him you know some of my history and you see me trying.
We go back, way back to coloring books and Similac so you shud trust me more. I took a chance with my heart and if you don't take a chance with yours then there's no reason for us to waste the time.

A chance is like a picture, it’d be nice if you just take it.

So I took it. Experienced it. Concluded we're better off right now as friends now and that's a just& fair decision.
I'm not gonna be anybody's plaything. So don't be mad at me bcuz I'm on to the next one ....
(Puts on shades and mac gloss)

@ Crabbypatty

I'm just gonna detach from the romantic relationship and be friends and let things unfold. I'll hold onto the friendship and keep him at distance from my heart.

LoL@ the imagery of the crabby claws!!! But I'm gonna keep them sharp!! LoL