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IWantARevelation
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posted September 11, 2012 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IWantARevelation     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He is a Cancer Sun, Pisces Moon, Leo Rising, Cancer Mercury, Gemini Venus, and Virgo Mars. We’ve gone on a few dates, we’ve shared our personal past, we’ve had sex, and I’ve never been happier and felt more in the moment with someone. What worries me most is him by himself.

His sun and mercury are in the 12th house and his venus in the 10th house. He’s been in a terribly bad relationship… His ex-girlfriend, from what I know was controlling, jealous, bitchy, abusive, and basically changed him for the worst. I understand that Pisces moon and 12th house influences have a tendency to go down that path of… If it feels good, it’s good enough for me. And as sweet and simple as that is, it includes using drugs and alcohol and basically leads to self-deception and destruction.

To be more specific, I am wondering how, if in any way, I can help this man I care so dearly about to get away from what can harm him. I don’t like watching him slowly go towards this path. And if I could make him love me enough to not be interested in this, I would. But after his last relationship, he has said he can’t or doesn’t want to love or care about anyone.

Right now, we are just friends. He has said he never wants to lose me as a friend and has said many times that he’s bad for me and that I shouldn’t want to be with him. Just by being someone in his life, how can I help him out? I don’t want to change who he is, just help minimize the consequences of his bad habits.

If it helps, I’m a Leo Sun, Scorpio Moon, Sagittarius Rising, Leo Mercury, Leo Venus, and Libra Mars. I have sun and mercury in the 8th house and my venus is in the 8th house too. And I’m also really afraid of seeming possessive or manipulative to him after the way his last girlfriend treated him. I simply cannot sit back and watch him act tough, deny love, and deceive himself. Especially because I do love him.

And I thought Pisces Moon and Scorpio Moon relationships were supposed to be harmonious… I’ve never been more anxious never been more happy and sad at the same time either.

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Randall
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posted September 12, 2012 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Lazyscarecrow
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posted September 13, 2012 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lazyscarecrow     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're probably not going to like or listen to what I have to say about this but...

Normally when a guy warns you against becoming involved with him, he means it and you should heed it 9 times out of 10. And as a woman, we usually want to try and help (and in a lot of cases save) the man who we love or want to love.

Sometimes this backfires and turns ugly. And I mean REALLY ugly. And you can never MAKE someone love you...they have to come into that themselves. All you can pretty much do is make yourself available for that but as far as you making it happen...nah. And that may even take a while in itself, should it happen. This Cancer guy has a bunch of mutable stuff going on in his chart. You have a bunch of fixed planets with some Cardinal planets that lean more towards stability and consistency. You Venus in the 8th house echoes this too, but may be attracted to the emotional intensity and sexual nature this bond offers. His mutable planets are changeable. Stability is hindering, and thus he is not as stable as you are. Getting him to downsize his bad habits would require changing him, in this case. You can support him and advice him against making bad decisions, but it will ultimately be up to him.

I understand you love him a lot. I've been there, with a Double Cancer (Moon and Sun, and actually Venus and Rising). It operated similar. Sex, brief dating, he told me we should not be together but should always be friends. I tried to help him at the cost of my own emotional health and even alienated family and what little friends I had. Over time it became abusive, with him emotionally and verbally abusing me. We are no longer friends. He reached out sometime last year, and I forgave him, but I will never go down that same road again.

And hey, maybe your guy is not abusive. I can't see his natal chart, only placements but no aspects so I can't tell. I just don't want you to end up hurt trying to help him with personal issues that he is capable of handling himself. Pisces moons are very susceptible to a lot of emotional pressure and heaviness, it is unlikely he could return the favor but once again, you can prove this wrong if you want to. If you are looking to hook him for commitment, eh, I think it's not advisable but you can help him by advising him and showing error but it is still up to him to make the right decisions.


Good luck.

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Mystic Melody
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posted September 13, 2012 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You don't need to claim him and brand him to love him. He is allowing you in his life and allowing you to love him and being honest with you and saying he isn't ready to do anything for you back. You need to question your OWN motives. If you just want to love him, then love him.

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AscTaurus
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posted September 17, 2012 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AscTaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that cancerian energy on a guy is not always projected positively.

Obviously, with us fire signs, water energy can be very attractive; they seem so soft and cuddly, almost unbelievably kind that you wonder: why hasn't someone snatched you up already?

But when you get to know the water energy; and by "water" energy, I mean moon/mercury/venus and mars there too, you'll get to see the really complex and often perplexing nature of the native.

Then you'll realize that:"somebody probably tried", but its difficult to contain slippery water, when you are fire: Only another water can swim deep to avanues beneath the surfcae and perhaps an earth sun sign can take on the challenge(and WIN)

I have moon/venus/saturn/pluto in water. I know that I am not easy to get on with sometimes. Especialy since 3 of these water planets are in the emotionally complex sign of Scorpio: my love life is far from "sexy".

Be that as it may, I am currently in "cahoots" with a Cancer sun, Pisces moon, Mercury and venus.

I also find him challenging to read. Add to that, the fact that he has Pluto in Scorpio conjunct my Venus(I feel like I am at his whim and he can do with me what he pleases)

He is very much into all sorts of indirect games where I have to "guess" what he is thinking and what he is "really" saying. I am trying to detach myself aaway from him now...

I think the best thing would be for you not to try and "save" him. I also have a Libra Mars, and perhaps we want happy endings, but this is not always the case.

You only have one water moon to contend with his 3 water positions; it's heavy going ...really.

And as a fire sun sign, like me, you'll soon tire of all the emotional games. At first it seems so appealing to "solve the puzzle" -so to speak- and participate in the drama. But in the end, fire signs really want transperancy and the game-playing can get realy tired.

All the same, I am sure you'll come to a realization all by ypurself. Good luck!

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