posted February 21, 2013 01:02 PM            

synastrically if he has Sphinx on your NN exact, that is a 9th harmonic aspect (conjunctions are part of all the harmonic chart).
Maybe you have Sphinx in 9th harmonic aspect to his NN as well? (novile, binovile, trine or quadranovile)

"A 9th chart is something very personal and unique , made of natal noviles. How is it possible that finally the midpoint of his very personal 9th NN (capri 11°42 ) and my very personal 9th NN (cancer 6°39) make a 9th composite Node axis exactly conjunct to my natal aries Node axis ? and moreover, with a composite sphinx stuck on top of it , just like in synastry his sphinx is stuck to my N Node ?"
Probably some artithmetic thing.
Well it is ALL mathetmatics with harmonics and composite.

However that doesn`t mean it is any less significant, quite the opposite. It shows how strong tight natal and synastric patterns are!
And it shows how important very exact aspects are, cause they will resonate through even higher harmonics.

" Compo 9 SNode conjunct comp 9 Eros :
in natal composite, we 've got Eros conjunct NS too !"
That is what I mean. If a conjunction is very tight, then it might come up in the 9th harmonic as well - and it is like a double blow or in this case rather, caress.
One of the reasons why I am sticking to tight orbs actually. They are persistent.

I have the same thing with someone in that in composite Amor is conjunct NN very tightly, and so it also comes up in the 9th harmonic composite.

- Compo 9 SUN conjunct compo 9 Psyche conjunct 9 antivertex
( sounds a bit telepathic)
= conjunct his natal Moon, Saturn
= conjunct my natal Mars
= conjunct my natal Sun

WOW! Yes, sounds like a definite psychic connection and involves such a vital natal synastric aspect.

Interestingly with the first guy I mentioned here, his Sun-Moon-conjuncts my Sun (though his Saturn is square). The 9th harmonic composite Chiron-Karma-conjunction falls onto that stellium! (and his 9th Valentine is conjunct it as well).
Of course this means it is more karmic than soulmatey probably.

"the most stunning thing is the compo 9 node axis = my natal axis !"
Yes, I agree. Absolutely stunning.
Somehow your spiritual path is absolutely tied to the soulpath of the connection between the two of you.

posted February 21, 2013 01:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Oh forgot about her sun/moon mid point is libra@26
His sun/moon mid point is aqua@19
their composite sun aqua@19 and composite moon libra@26

his natal angel aqua@26
his 9th harmonic juno aqua@26

her natal venus libra@19
her 9th harmonic psyche aqua@19

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LOL...i totally forgot their composite chart has saturn, vertex and juno in 7th house all gemini@19...completing a grand trine with her psyche and venus...but add in her vertex aries@21 and his vertex leo@21 and you have a kite!

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
BTW I like nodal or Draconic charts!

Something like this maybe.

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Wow...i looked at their Draco composite after reading your post
they have composite Draco aries devine@19/angel@20/venus@21/destin aries@24
Tropical natal chart--
her venus libra@19.04
Composite Soma aries@18.56
her vertex aries@21
his psyche aries@20
his vertex leo@21
her Alma leo@21
his Karma aries@25
her Chiron aries@24
her part of fortune saggy@22
Wow...another grand trine!

But in Draco Composite they have 3 kites in just the natal planets alone!
In tropical they have 3 grand trines in natal planets!

Comp Draco Moon Cap@10.48
Tropical--
Her Valentinecap@9.59
His Valentine cap@10.20
WOW!

Draco Composite Neptune aqua@19 falls on their tropical sun aqua@19...

Her trop Sun saggy@4.35
His trop Moon saggy@5.05
Trop Composite neptune saggy@5.44
Neptune always adds a sweet love vibe!

****I love SOMA to me it is very meaningful in soulmate unions...heres the meaning!
2815 Soma (Vedic):
Soma Skanda is the result of the union of two potent opposite forces (yin and yang) giving rebirth to the aspirant as an evolved being. This is best described in mythology as the union of Shiva and Parvati resulting in the birth of Soma Skanda and hence results in immortality.
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Vedic God of plants, healer of disease and bestower of riches. Soma, also the "elixir of life", is the union of the twin currents of kundalini energy in the human body, culminating in higher consciousness.

Thanks for pointing out the Draco...i just barely started looking, love seeing these connections, its so obvious sometimes when ppl are connected at the soul!

IMHO....I think we are going to see it more n more as people begin their spiritual growth to a higher vibration...the desire to grow closer to God brings our souls to the forefront of our being and our soul mates help us do this!
Feeling our soul connecting to them through love begins our journey of remembering our connection and the love we feel when we become more aware of our connection to God, this brings desire to find that connection inside us through the love we feel!
I believe soul mates are given to us by God as a way to help us remember how it feels to know intimately the deep unconditional love God has for us and help us to remember how wonderful it feels to love without the ego! Ego causes over sensitivity, jealousy and hurt....but our soul mate reminds us of the unconditional love and the purity of love without the ego, just like the bond we have with God...if we are willing to see it, know we deserve it and become open up to it!

posted February 21, 2013 01:39 PM            

It is also useful to link all that with Horus and (wife) Hathor. Because Horus was the last authentic Egyptian pharaon who was of Atlantean blood/ lineage, according to the legend of course. The next ones being not of atlantean lineage . So if you have an ancient past life around Atlantis , you probably find also Horus and Hathor well placed in your chart. That's true !

In my 9th harmonic ,
-my Horus is Scorpio 5°9,
-my Amphitrite Scorpio 8°23

In HIS 9th harmonic,
- his Hathor is 6°24 Scorpio , that is, conjunct my Horus! ( a couple !)
- his Isis/Osiris (parents of Horus) in Scorpio 22°23°, that is, conjunct my natal Neptune / vertex !

I'm swimming (LOL) but I feel a little bit drowned (bis) to interpretate all this

Probably because I find it's not enough job, I now have to make the 9th midpoints of Horus, Hathor, Poseidon and Amphitrite, which I haven't done.

posted February 21, 2013 01:44 PM            

I donīt know why I did that. Not even today. I just felt it was the right thing to do, no matter how odd.

posted February 21, 2013 02:39 PM            

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Originally posted by littlefrenchy:
^^
Are you absolutely certain we have not met the same guy ? LOL.

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LOL...only God Knows!!!
Im going to check his aspects...maybe there was a love triangle....oh a soap opera theme...i love it!!

Egyptian Couples--
2436 Hatshephet- pharoah/queen married to Thutmosis/tuthmosis
4846 Tuthmosis pharoah
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4415 Echnaton (Akhenaten) pharoah, son of Amenotep- Lovers Nefertiti
3199 Nefertiti
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1068 Nofretete -named after Nefertiti, wife of the Egyptian pharaoh Amenhotep IV.
4847 Amenhotep
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18458 Caesar- Julius Caesar companion of Kleopatra
216 Kleopatra
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1122 Neith- the Egyptian goddess of Libyan origin, Neith, goddess of the hunt and of war, believed to be the mother of the Sun. Her lover Khnum the third aspect of Ra.
2100 Ra-Shalom
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posted February 21, 2013 02:42 PM            

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Originally posted by littlefrenchy:
Because Horus was the last authentic Egyptian pharaon who was of Atlantean blood/ lineage, according to the legend of course. The next ones being not of atlantean lineage

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That is very interesting. I did not know that, and despite not knowing, just last year I have suddenly become fascinated with Horus and Hathor (as well as Ariadne and BAcchus/ Dionysos) - thinking that they are just as significant a soulmate pairing as Isis and Osiris.

I have HORUS on 8 Pisces in my natal exactly squaring ATLANTIS on 8 Sag (Horus is conjunct ISHTAR, ECHNATON, Ceres, Jupiter and Pholus as well). POSEIDON on 7.53 Sag and Neptune on 9.56 Sag, and Angel on 7 Sag as well, and NN on 10 Sag
(Did I mention that I drowned as a small child, and just coincidentally was saved in the nick of time)

HATHOR and BACCHUS are BOTH on 13 Scorpio. ARIADNE is on 8 SCorpio (trine my Horus)

AMPHITRITE is on 5 Aries, exactly conjunct my IC and GAEIA and opposite my Draco Karma.

Guy No 1 (the one with his Moon conjunct my Sun) has:

HATHOR on 13 Pisces (trine my own Hathor obviously)

BACCHUS on 10 Cap sextile my ARIADNE

his ARIADNE on 15 Tau opposes my BACCHUS

ATLANTIS conjunct AMPHITRITE on 20 Leo exact - that gave me major goosebumps, seeing that I have ATLANTIS conjunct POSEIDON exact

HORUS on 4 Libra on his KARMA

POSEIDON on 11 Sagittarius conjunct my huge stellium around Atlantis

composite has:
ARIADNE trine BACCHUS exact
POSEIDON opposite AMPHITRITE

Pluto conjunct ATLANTIS, squaring the Venus-Proserpina-Hathor conjunction (in 12th house)

Guy no 2_ the one with the Atlantis mess up:
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HORUS conjunct Moon

AMPHITRITE conjnct my Valentine

POSEIDON on 10 Cap conjunct my Spirit-Guinevere (with his Lancelot opposite xactly)

HATHOR on 18 Pisces conjunct my Juno

DIONYSOS trine my ARIADNE

ATLANTIS on 21 Cancer conjunct my Vertex/Sun/moon-mp//ERos

composite has:
Sun conjunct Psyche conjunct HORUS conj. NN, opposite Saturn, square ATLANTIS
(the opposition is from 1st to 7th house)

HATHOR conjunct ARIADNE - no clue why, but it falls onto his natal NN, so I thought I would mention it. lol

POSEIDON conjunct Venus exact and opposite NESSUS exact

have yet to check 9th harmonic charts.

posted February 21, 2013 02:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
LOL...only God Knows!!!
Im going to check his aspects...maybe there was a love triangle....oh a soap opera theme...i love it!!

Egyptian Couples--
2436 Hatshephet- pharoah/queen married to Thutmosis/tuthmosis
4846 Tuthmosis pharoah
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4415 Echnaton (Akhenaten) pharoah, son of Amenotep- Lovers Nefertiti
3199 Nefertiti
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1068 Nofretete -named after Nefertiti, wife of the Egyptian pharaoh Amenhotep IV.
4847 Amenhotep
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18458 Caesar- Julius Caesar companion of Kleopatra
216 Kleopatra
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1122 Neith- the Egyptian goddess of Libyan origin, Neith, goddess of the hunt and of war, believed to be the mother of the Sun. Her lover Khnum the third aspect of Ra.
2100 Ra-Shalom
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Gabby,
actually Amenothep= Echnaton and Nefertitie= Nofretete, they are the same people; though of course there have been MANY Amenthoteps.

posted February 21, 2013 03:25 PM            

thank youuuu !

posted February 21, 2013 05:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Gabby,
actually Amenothep= Echnaton and Nefertitie= Nofretete, they are the same people; though of course there have been MANY Amenthoteps.

Oh and I have Caesar-Kleopatra-Nofretete-Sekhmet conjunct on my Sun. lol

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Ive saw on Discovery Channel how the names have unique meanings, at that time they where given new names according to there stautus, so the more powerful they became, they were given new name...the diff names represents a unique stage in the development of who it represents!
The way Prosperpina was a child but when she grew up and showed her wisdom and maturity as the powerful Goddess married to Pluto she became known as Persephone!

Now, what exactly is different meaning in the names....or what happened that they receive these new names...I have not a clue!! LOL
They did explain...but it was a long time ago and i dont remember! Sorry

posted February 21, 2013 05:07 PM            

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Originally posted by littlefrenchy:
yessss !
I don't regret having come here on this forum, you are all so interesting people, and the discussion is great !!
very happy

grateful

etc

this is not on french forums that I would have such an interesting exchange

thank youuuu !

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posted February 21, 2013 05:33 PM            

I've just seen that in natal synastry, I have my Charis conjunct his Sun , and he has his Merlin conjunct my DESC.

In 9th harmonic themes ,
My 9th Charis conjunct his 9th DESC exact, and his 9th Merlin conjuncts my 9th Karma.

In Composite 9th,
compo Charis conjunct compo 9th AntiVertex, (and almost Sun /Psyche)and Composite 9th Merlin is opposite , conjunct Vertex

If we accept the hypothesis, that Merlin could be from Atlantean ascendance (which some people say ), so these aspects could be linked to all the rest.
I don't know ...

Good night!
Bonne nuit !

posted February 22, 2013 01:29 AM            

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Originally posted by littlefrenchy:
yessss !
I don't regret having come here on this forum, you are all so interesting people, and the discussion is great !!
very happy

grateful

etc

this is not on french forums that I would have such an interesting exchange

thank youuuu !

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Glad to hear that.

posted February 22, 2013 01:35 AM            

"ve saw on Discovery Channel how the names have unique meanings, at that time they where given new names according to there stautus, so the more powerful they became, they were given new name...the diff names represents a unique stage in the development of who it represents!"
Yes, exactly. That is what I heard, too.

"
The way Prosperpina was a child but when she grew up and showed her wisdom and maturity as the powerful Goddess married to Pluto she became known as Persephone!"
Well, Proserpina is her Latin/Roman name, Persephone is the Greek form of the name.

As far as I have read, she was referred to as "Kore", when talking about her as a maiden BEFORE meeting Pluto and becoming goddess of the underworld.

As for Echnaton:
Amenhotep called himself Echnaton, when he founded that new religion, which centred around the disc of the Sun ("Aton"). He allegedly did this to emphasize his association with the new religious cult, that he forcefully pushed through as new religion of the state.

posted February 22, 2013 10:37 AM            

I found out that my fiance's original birth time was incorrect. He was born in the P.M. not the A.M...so with his corrected birth time:

His 9th ASC conj my Natal IC
His 9th IC conj my Natal ASC
His 9th Vertex conj my Natal Sun
His 9th Moon conj my Natal NN

My 9th Sun conj his Natal Venus/Sun
My 9th NN trine his Natal NN *20 minute difference*
My 9th Moon opposite his Natal Venus/Sun
My 9th Mars conj his Natal Pluto in Scorpio, probably part of why I can't keep my hands off him lol

posted February 22, 2013 05:32 PM            

If somebody has an idea about this....It's a big Lilith mess I had not noticed before. ALL interpretative ideas welcome (even if they're bad, we are searchers ! )
1)
His 9th Lilith/IC (SAG 7°11), opposite my natal Lilith (Gemini 6°16)
2)
My 9th Lilith/ Eros (Scorpio 29°32), conjunct his natal Venus (Sag 2°)

3) in 9th to 9th :
his Lilith sag 7°11 ,
my Lilith scorp 29°32
= conjunction (orb 7°39)

what is odd , is that in natal, he has not Lilith conjuncts IC at all , but it's MY Lilith which conjuncts HIS IC and NN, opposite his Venus, while his Lilith conjunct my DEC.)

I told you it was a big lilith mess !
do you thing it's karmic ? or something about the inconscious ? or something else?
I can't give any meaning, I'm lost

Another thing, this time a Nessus business

normal synastry :
My Nessus conjuncts his NN (I know it's not good, yet I swear I have no intention to abuse him LOL . Nessus must mean something else that only "abuse".

9th to natal:
My 9th Nessus conjunct his natal ASC
His 9th Nessus conjunct my natal MC
so, nessus on the angles

9th to 9th:
His Karma and my 9th Nessus are conjunct (1°)

9th midpoints(composite) ouch
Composite 9th Nessu (aqua 18°50) conjunct composite 9th Antivertex (aqua 18°10)

tears

posted February 23, 2013 06:42 AM            

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Originally posted by LionFish:

His 9th ASC conj my Natal IC
His 9th IC conj my Natal ASC

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WOW, ust WOW.

You REALLY have a hook into his soul, don`t you?

posted February 23, 2013 06:58 AM            

However, I have read some books on harmonics, especially the one by David Hamblin and David Cochrane, and in harmonic astrology (that is not based on Vedic astrology) the meaning of aharmonic is derived by the number it represents.

9 is the pure representation of 3 (3x3). It is pure THREEness, usually being related to harmony, joy and completion.

They did not say so, but the Threeness comes up often in terms of twinsouls as well. Maybe not the way you found them defined in a prior post in this thread (there are so many different "definitions" of twinsouls and theories about them).

The threeness, taken on a symbolic level, is taking, uniting the two-ness (two halves, or just two souls maybe) which results in them becoming more than the sum of their parts. This spiritual element, the holy spirit of how you might want to call it.

I cannot explain it well, I fear. But I think that is wehre the association with "completion" in the 9th chart comes from. Of course they are complete individuals on their own, but together they might feel even "fuller" and more complete.

However, leaving the murky waters of esoteric hypothesis, in the book by Cochrane he associated the 9th harmonic chart as being symbolic of "interconnectedness", which makes a lot of sense, and fits into why it is treated as marriage chart in India for example.

Of course no harmonic astrologer would ever compare a harmonic chart to a natal chart, as these are two different harmonics and do not relate to natal aspects (like noviles) at all.
I think though if we treat the 9th harmonic chart as a symbolic chart it is very valid to compare them to the natal, as everything has to be channelled through the physical essence (1st harmonic or natal chart) to manifest.

Speaking of manifestations, the most dynmaic chart and very valid in terms of what manifests, might be the 4th harmonic chart, as this represents pure TWONESS. Of course it is also the most challenging chart.
It probably shows a bit of "buttkickingness" between two people.

The third chart I deem very important in this regard is the 12th harmonic chart. Actually in the cases I investigated it it was simply gobsmacking.
Well, harmonically it simply shows all the ptolemaic aspects and quinkunx and semisextile, the relation between the signs int he zodiac itself.
But it nevertheless is interesting.

In my 12th harmonic chart i have a conjunction of Moon and Saturn, this guy has a conjunction of Sun and Saturn.
And the 12th harmonic chart of the first meeting has a conjunction of Sun, Moon and Saturn.

It is dazzling to see that. Especially sicne the first meeting chart is totally independent of the natals (unlike the composite). It is just mere coincidence that the same pattern comes up there.

Of course it cold have been seen in the natals as well:
I have Moon quinkunx Saturn exact; he has Sun quare Saturn exact.
First meeting chart has Sun square Saturn, MOon quinkunx Sun and Moon trine Saturn - all exact.

I would be thinking that if something touches you on the 9th harmonic level, it might resonate very deep inside of you, like you can feel it right down to the core of your soul.

posted February 23, 2013 07:07 AM            

The problem with Nessus is that he is so lustdriven, so full of hunger and craving, that at one point he simply stops caring about what the object of his obsession might think of it (hence he tried to rape Dejanira; he wanted her and he was to get her. End of story. From his perspective at least). That is actually the danger of Nessus.
But It hink of course he can be channelled in more positive ways. LUckily we do not only have Nessus in our charts and are not given over helplessly to our most primal and raw instincts.

Anyway, the thing that LIlith and Nessus have in common is that they are shun by society, cause they do not live by social rules. They can`t. They are having all these very primal, sometimes dark, instinctual feelings and cravings inside, that it simply can feel overpowering at times.

In everyday reality this attraction sometimes might be too strong, too hot to handle, and so one or even both person might actually turn away from it; though then there is the danger of too much obsession and not being able to let go, even if the relationship has long gone.
In very very dark cases it might lead to crimes of passion or stalking (though I think there needs to be mars, Uranus, Pluto and the ruler of 5th house in play as well for this to take place).

In less dark cases one or both people might simply be tormented by the memory or the thoughts of "What if", making it nearly impossible for them to move on.

However in an otherwise harmonious synastry, it can simply add a deeper and even more passionate transformative layer to their intimate relationship, making it possible to be totaly naked (soulwise) and vulnerable around each other, though always being conscious about how they have the power to heal or destroy each other.

posted February 23, 2013 02:35 PM            

If you know much about 12th rulers , could you give me your opinion, please ?

-1st thing, in natal, my Lilith ( see above for the 9th aspects) is in my ...12th house, Gemini 6°16, and my Nessus (see above for the 9th aspects)is ALSO in my 12th house, Gemini 13°44.
having both nessus and lilith in the 12 natal seem something heavy.

-In synastry, they both conjunct his natal node axis :NN gemini 11°
(for the other aspects, previous above)

The ruler of my 12 th is Mercury.
-My Mercury, Leo 28°4, conjuncts his Pluto-Vertex midpoint, Leo 28 .

-My 9th Mercury is Sag 12°44
-conjuncts his natal South Node, sag 11°!

-in 9th to 9th: it conjunct his Lilith/IC, sag 8°26

Now, let's see HIS 12th house, Capri, ruler Saturn
His Saturn(+ Moon/desc) is in Leo 6°51 (and squares his natal Nessus Taurus 7°6)
in classical synastry
-his saturn conjuncts my Mars in Leo 5°22,
-it squares my Karma, scorp 6°59

9th to natal
-his 9th Saturn is in Gem 1°44 (conjunct Mars, Sun, MC). They are all 4 in the place of my natal Lilith, Gem 6°16

-it squares my natal MC/IC axis, cap 1°50

9th to 9th
-his saturn gem 1°44 squares my Karma scorp 2°52

As for Karma in natals ....
his karma conjuncts my South Node (see all the posts above)

posted February 24, 2013 07:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
WOW, ust WOW.

You REALLY have a hook into his soul, don`t you?

And that Mars-Pluto is just HOT.

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He's told me from the very beginning that he trusted me more than anybody ever before and he had no clue why.. Maybe this has something to do with it

Oh and I forgot to mention earlier,

My 9th Vertex is conj his 9th IC

I think the hooks go both ways

I don't think 9th charts would be for analyzing past lives, either. Your soul is constantly moving forward and changing so I would think that it's what you are trying to achieve/work towards/become in this lifespan that shows in the 9th harmonic.

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I would be thinking that if something touches you on the 9th harmonic level, it might resonate very deep inside of you, like you can feel it right down to the core of your soul.

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