posted April 09, 2014 12:36 AM            

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Originally posted by SDragon:
Pluto looks like an exact square between the SN and NN - usually that implies soul ties from past lives.

Whether the tie is negative or positive might be better determined from the synastry aspects of the SN/NN.

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Each of our North nodes are in gemini, SDragon, although quite widely space apart (ie not conjunct or anything)

posted April 09, 2014 08:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Jo B:
Each of our North nodes are in gemini, SDragon, although quite widely space apart (ie not conjunct or anything)

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They don't need to be conjunct or necessarily in aspect. It depends what aspects they make to the other planets, what houses, and in what signs as well.

posted April 09, 2014 08:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Jo B:
It's a composite chart between me and someone special in my life. His time of birth unknown btw so ignore the ascendant. Any insights appreciated!

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Astrology aside, how do you feel deep down in your heart ?

Making a big life change is scary,but you surely know what's scarier.. REGRET !

only you know what needs to be done.

posted April 09, 2014 09:25 AM            

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Originally posted by usc277:

Astrology aside, how do you feel deep down in your heart ?

Making a big life change is scary,but you surely know what's scarier.. REGRET !

only you know what needs to be done.

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In my heart? Well I feel there are good things and not so good things (and I think the composite charts illustrates that quite well). Good things are the Sun/Mars/Mercury/Venus really close conjunction, trined by Jupiter and (I think North node), which gives a really exuberant energy to our interactions (literally when I was with him I just couldn't keep my hands of him, in a loving affectionate away as much as sexual attraction). We communicate well.

In our individual charts we both have Mars/Venus conjunct, which I think is interesting, might account for the strong physical attraction.

On the other hand, the Moon conjunct Saturn is more challenging (and the square from Saturn to Jupiter). This summary in cafeastrology actually sums up the tenser emotional side of our relationship fairly well. "While this may not be apparent at the beginning of your relationship, emotional heaviness is something you're bound to deal with. Some awkwardness or shyness with one another, however, is likely right from the start. It can be difficult feeling at ease expressing your emotions and innermost feelings/desires with one another for fear that the other person will somehow disapprove or fail to fulfill, acknowledge, or sympathize with them. Self-consciousness or awkwardness can be a real problem. You might avoid "messy" emotional expression, or keep things from one another as a result. Or, one person might attempt to keep emotional conversations going, but feel unsupported by the partner. Overall, there is a sense that you can't truly be yourselves or open up on an intimate, emotional level with one another. On the other hand, there can be a real sense of duty and responsibility to one another, long-term commitment and emotional maturity in this relationship. A strong feeling of needing one another is likely. There might be short separations and reunions. There can also be a sense that you're both strong or mature enough to deal with problems or hardships. There is a feeling that there is no rush while you are together, as you will have enough time to explore whatever you want to explore with each other at a later date, and this can be a very good feeling."

We come from different parts of the world, social and material class a bit too. I'm degree-educated, he got is education from the school of hard knocks. But something felt fateful about us meeting, both of us have since discussed it. He said he never ever forgot me and still misses me. I had to admit to him I do too.

At this stage I'm just enjoying the fact we "reunited" really, whatever happens in the future. It's been 14 years, a few more months won't make much difference.

posted April 10, 2014 05:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Jo B:
In my heart? Well I feel there are good things and not so good things (and I think the composite charts illustrates that quite well). Good things are the Sun/Mars/Mercury/Venus really close conjunction, trined by Jupiter and (I think North node), which gives a really exuberant energy to our interactions (literally when I was with him I just couldn't keep my hands of him, in a loving affectionate away as much as sexual attraction). We communicate well.

In our individual charts we both have Mars/Venus conjunct, which I think is interesting, might account for the strong physical attraction.

On the other hand, the Moon conjunct Saturn is more challenging (and the square from Saturn to Jupiter). This summary in cafeastrology actually sums up the tenser emotional side of our relationship fairly well. "While this may not be apparent at the beginning of your relationship, emotional heaviness is something you're bound to deal with. Some awkwardness or shyness with one another, however, is likely right from the start. It can be difficult feeling at ease expressing your emotions and innermost feelings/desires with one another for fear that the other person will somehow disapprove or fail to fulfill, acknowledge, or sympathize with them. Self-consciousness or awkwardness can be a real problem. You might avoid "messy" emotional expression, or keep things from one another as a result. Or, one person might attempt to keep emotional conversations going, but feel unsupported by the partner. Overall, there is a sense that you can't truly be yourselves or open up on an intimate, emotional level with one another. On the other hand, there can be a real sense of duty and responsibility to one another, long-term commitment and emotional maturity in this relationship. A strong feeling of needing one another is likely. There might be short separations and reunions. There can also be a sense that you're both strong or mature enough to deal with problems or hardships. There is a feeling that there is no rush while you are together, as you will have enough time to explore whatever you want to explore with each other at a later date, and this can be a very good feeling."

We come from different parts of the world, social and material class a bit too. I'm degree-educated, he got is education from the school of hard knocks. But something felt fateful about us meeting, both of us have since discussed it. He said he never ever forgot me and still misses me. I had to admit to him I do too.

At this stage I'm just enjoying the fact we "reunited" really, whatever happens in the future. It's been 14 years, a few more months won't make much difference.

But if I'm brutally honest, I think we weren't meant to be as as couple. I don't think either of us can give everything the other needs.

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Jo B,

can you please do our composite chart for me and her and interpret them..i cant seem to get photobucket to work and i dont understand much about astrology anyway..so please be easy on me =)

my dob: feb 27th 1982 @ 8:45 AM
her: nov 1st 1988 @ 12:30 PM

posted April 10, 2014 09:30 AM            

However the composite chart does show you have Sun EXACTLY conjunct Mars, and also wider conjunct Neptune. Which suggests there is a lot of energy, even aggressive tendencies, in your relationship with her, including sexual compulsion/attraction (VERY strong in this case since it's exact conjunct). The added neptune gives it an ethereal quality which means you elevate it to something more spiritual but there could be also be an idealized, illusory quality about it. These planets are in Capricorn. Furthermore Pluto (in Scorpio) is sextiling Sun/Mars and Neptune, which adds a more profund feeling.

Mercury & Uranus (close conjunct in Sagi) are opposite the moon and chiron(in Gemini). There is resistance between you both (although probably a lot of fascination) on an communicative level, and the uranus in the mix probably makes it feel slightly crazy and against the norm, which is what you have.

(I'd have to read further about what these aspects actually mean,I don't really have time at the minute).

Venus however is in 0 degrees on Scorpio/Sagi cusp, conjuncts Saturn and is squared Jupiter, which is not a good sign. It's like any genuine love between you both is restrained or restricted in some way (ie, one or both of you would impose restraint or discipline in this area), and square with Jupiter makes it dfficult for you to find any real enjoyment or optimism about it.

So I'd say there is a very strong physical and sexual connection between you, but love doesn't blend well with this, as well as being stressfully aspected itself.

posted April 10, 2014 11:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Jo B:
OK I did the chart and just put NY for both of your places of birth since I don't know it (place of birth will make a difference to the ascendant, so I'll just ignore ascendant aspects for now).

However the composite chart does show you have Sun EXACTLY conjunct Mars, and also wider conjunct Neptune. Which suggests there is a lot of energy, even aggressive tendencies, in your relationship with her, including sexual compulsion/attraction (VERY strong in this case since it's exact conjunct). The added neptune gives it an ethereal quality which means you elevate it to something more spiritual but there could be also be an idealized, illusory quality about it. These planets are in Capricorn. Furthermore Pluto (in Scorpio) is sextiling Sun/Mars and Neptune, which adds a more profund feeling.

Mercury & Uranus (close conjunct in Sagi) are opposite the moon and chiron(in Gemini). There is resistance between you both (although probably a lot of fascination) on an communicative level, and the uranus in the mix probably makes it feel slightly crazy and against the norm, which is what you have.

(I'd have to read further about what these aspects actually mean,I don't really have time at the minute).

Venus however is in 0 degrees on Scorpio/Sagi cusp, conjuncts Saturn and is squared Jupiter, which is not a good sign. It's like any genuine love between you both is restrained or restricted in some way (ie, one or both of you would impose restraint or discipline in this area), and square with Jupiter makes it dfficult for you to find any real enjoyment or optimism about it.

So I'd say there is a very strong physical and sexual connection between you, but love doesn't blend well with this, as well as being stressfully aspected itself.

I'll post the chart later if you want to give me a place of birth for you both.

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Thanks a lot..so were never gonna be in love basically ?

posted April 10, 2014 11:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Jo B:

So I'd say there is a very strong physical and sexual connection between you, but love doesn't blend well with this, as well as being stressfully aspected itself.

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How weird...she wanted a fwb relationship from the start and I wanted something deeper...love !

posted April 10, 2014 11:36 AM            

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Originally posted by usc277:
Thanks a lot..so were never gonna be in love basically ?

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I think feelings between you two would have restrictive, serious air about them - maybe one trying to restrain or control the other (the Saturn conjunct Venus) and the Jupiter square to these two planets just gives it a heaviness which would get you both down eventually.

Synastry charts might show easier aspects, but the composite is challenging. Also, most of your composite planets are on one half of the chart (mostly in the houses 8-10, which might explain your desire to have this relationship "out in public" as it were. I don't know really, I'm not an expert at more indepth astro readings).

Sounds like to me it's more a case of your masculine ego not accepting that this woman is resisting you. Lots of men find that a chellenge and actually get turned on by it.

posted April 10, 2014 11:52 AM            

As well as your suns trining (and your sun trining her pluto), you have your venuses trining elsewhere (which probably explains the "love" feelings, although the kind of feelings one can't really get a handle on).

Her Chiron also trines your Sun which suggests she has some kind of healing effect on you.

Your north node is conjunct her sun (which may explains the instant friendship thing), while her Jupiter is conjuncting your sun (which makes you feel good about yourself, ego boosted, that kind of thing).

There's a bit more to your chart also involving her sun conjunct your descendant and your mercury conjunct her ascendant, as well has her mercury conjunct your mars, saturn and pluto, but I don't have time at the moment to look into that. Sorry.

posted April 10, 2014 12:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Jo B:
I just looked at your synastry chart with each other btw and it's a little easier..

As well as your suns trining (and your sun trining her pluto), you have your venuses trining elsewhere (which probably explains the "love" feelings, although the kind of feelings one can't really get a handle on).

Her Chiron also trines your Sun which suggests she has some kind of healing effect on you.

Your north node is conjunct her sun (which may explains the instant friendship thing), while her Jupiter is conjuncting your sun (which makes you feel good about yourself, ego boosted, that kind of thing).

There's a bit more to your chart also involving her sun conjunct your descendant and your mercury conjunct her ascendant, as well has her mercury conjunct your mars, saturn and pluto, but I don't have time at the moment to look into that. Sorry.

Your moons have oppositions and squares to other personal planets so I would see a difficulty on an emotional level with this relationship, although maybe a mutual fascination or polarity.

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Thank you for taking the time. I appreciate it

posted April 10, 2014 12:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Jo B:
while her Jupiter is conjuncting your sun (which makes you feel good about yourself, ego boosted, that kind of thing).

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Sorry I got that the wrong way round. Your jupiter is conjuncting HER sun, which is making HER feel good about herself, etc, etc...

That sounds more apt I think. You're an ego boost for her.

It's not that she doesn't have feelings for you, they sound more like the sexual and communicative kind rather than emotional or loving ones. Your mars, pluto and saturn are weighing heavily in her mercury too which means you're probably a bit too much for intellectually, like forcing her to think things she doesn't want to.

posted April 10, 2014 01:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Jo B:

Sounds like to me it's more a case of your masculine ego not accepting that this woman is resisting you. Lots of men find that a chellenge and actually get turned on by it.

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I swear I can have this girl if I really put my mind to it..I love the challenge thats right...but am just too busy with work, travel a lot, and am also married with a new born.. I can get her had I been single, it would be just a matter of time..she already said she would have married me and everytime I call her she picks up

posted April 10, 2014 01:16 PM            

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Originally posted by usc277:

she already said she would have married me and everytime I call her she picks up

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Yet she also says she doesn't love you and it's just friends with benefits. What stupid game does she think she's playing, leading people on and then dismissing them? If she had any integrity she'd just end it with you. She obviously knows she's playing with your feelings.

Sounds REALLY immature to me.

posted April 10, 2014 01:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Jo B:
Yet she also says she doesn't love you and it's just friends with benefits. What stupid game does she think she's playing, leading people on and then dismissing them? If she had any integrity she'd just end it with you. She obviously knows she's playing with your feelings.

Sounds REALLY immature to me.

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I know what you mean however I see it differently, I actually feel it differently... She is just afraid of the big change,(she getting divorced) and she already has it fixed in her mind that I won't leave my wife for her..to be fair she did try to end it by blocking me on all social medias and asking me to leaver her alone...but I always find a way to contact her and when I do contact her she always responds..she has told me one " I can't believe how much you can endure and resist everything I throw at you to push you away" and " why do you do this to yourself"...

posted April 10, 2014 03:47 PM            

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Originally posted by usc277:
" why do you do this to yourself"...

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So why DO you do it to yourself? Why are you investing so much in a woman you barely know when you have a 4 year marriage and baby? Is it just a power game for you because you want to "triumph" over the other man? An ego-trip for you?

Sorry, but it beats me.

Men often confuse love with lust in the early stages of a relationship, especially BEFORE they've actually slept with a woman. Then after they've slept with them they see things clearer, for what they are, the woman often gets emotionally invested themselves because women often can't separate sex from emotions (speaking generally here, not specifically), then they might be perceived as "clingy" by the men and so the games begin.

posted April 10, 2014 04:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Jo B:
So why DO you do it to yourself? Why are you investing so much in a woman you barely know when you have a 4 year marriage and baby? Is it just a power game for you because you want to "triumph" over the other man? An ego-trip for you?

Sorry, but it beats me.

Men often confuse love with lust in the early stages of a relationship, especially BEFORE they've actually slept with a woman. Then after they've slept with them they see things clearer, for what they are, the woman often gets emotionally invested themselves because women often can't separate sex from emotions (speaking generally here, not specifically), then they might be perceived as "clingy" by the men and so the games begin.

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posted April 12, 2014 12:41 PM            

Moon and Saturn are the archetype of Mother/Father in the horoscope (Moon opp. Saturn - the Cancer/Capricorn axis) - signify the Married Couple, notably a long-term official and established relationship.

The square as well, it seems to point to this "certified" union, being present in many long-term composites.

posted April 12, 2014 03:25 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
IMO, all connections between Moon and Saturn in a composite are a good sign of longevity and show a mature relationship, with long-lasting emotions and feelings.

Moon and Saturn are the archetype of Mother/Father in the horoscope (Moon opp. Saturn - the Cancer/Capricorn axis) - signify the Married Couple, notably a long-term official and established relationship.

The square as well, it seems to point to this "certified" union, being present in many long-term composites.

This connection has nothing to do with repressed feelings or anything like that when in a composite, IMO. On the contrary, it shows familiarity and comfort, the angular houses reunited (4th and 10th) show how they share everything in their lives together.

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Wow, thanks LeeLoo. It's how I felt about him. I remember feeling content and satisfied with him, like I just wanted to settle down and that whatever the world might throw at me after that point I would be able to handle it. I felt I'd matured. It's probably why I felt such a sense of loss and disillusion when we lost touch. Oh well, we are friends again now we've found each other again. I think we will always love and care about each other. Well I will anyway.

posted April 14, 2014 08:51 AM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Oh yes certainly a soulmate thing! Look at that stellium it's super tight

Love stellium too. Mars adds passion/fun

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Thank you RAS.

Was "love" at first sight too (I don't know his time of birth so the chart isn't 100% correct) so maybe there are aspects to our ascendants too. That doesn't happen often for me when it's also backed up by getting along so well after you've got to know them.

It's funny I'm discovering (as well as remembering) more things about him just from our current FB messages, like his sense of humor (very quick and playful) and his considerate-ness. (I'm restraining myself on FB because it is just NO subsitute for what we had in real life and I'd rather wait till I see him.)