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ueharaa
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posted January 06, 2015 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did not know where to ask this but, after much thought and if I had to be honest with myself, I would say I am totally losing my mind.

I find myself in a situation where I was infatuated with someone, in a unrequited type of love. I've outgrown it, and know, logically, that it is a hopeless / lost case. But deep inside, at a soul or whatever it is level, I think I refuse this truth, and thus can come up with a lot of reasons to explain how things went that way.

(note I say refuse this truth but if I place myself according to that inner level "knowledge" I would say that is the truth and reason is made up of lies)

If I try to be clearer, I would say that even though I know and have all the proofs of his disinterest in me and have accepted it and moved beyond it rationally, a part of me can't believe it, as if that was at odd with some core, unshakable truth that I hold dear.

That sounds like madness right?

I usually go by the assumption that people are indifferent to me to an extent (not all but well..) but somehow for this person it is different, it is like knowing deep inside that the person is NOT indifferent to me and have some sort of feelings for me.

Yes I know what this must sound like to you but I've only notices this recently. It's like a knowledge that can't be washed away by any amount of proofs that it is wrong.

A sort of unexplainable idea that came when I first met that person.

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posted January 06, 2015 02:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Pretty Theft     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This sounds like classic Neptune delusion. Do you have hard Neptune aspects to your Venus, or Neptune in the 7th? You can also look for Venus in the 12th. Similarly, does this person make hard aspects to your natal Neptune? People can get caught up in this seductive web when Neptune is involved.

My point is, if they aren't calling, they aren't interested.

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posted January 06, 2015 04:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If it makes you feel any better, I just received one final blow today. So, I feel like I am with you dear x

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posted January 07, 2015 06:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 07, 2015 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Healing Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
perfect advice, Vajra

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posted January 07, 2015 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Vaj, your advice is extremely fitting and I am also taking it onboard.

I realise that I have always responded the same way to a particular person, but this time... I actually didn't respond. Not because I didn't care, but my emotions won't let me.

It's time to start dealing with realities.

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posted January 16, 2015 02:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for saronna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
this is very interesting ueharaa as i doubt things but the core truth is still there like this knowing. and its this knowing with my soulmate that only love is real. it doesnt sound like madness its just the way you think and look at things. its very interesting. you have a very interesting mind. hugs

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posted January 28, 2015 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Vajra:
ueharaa, sorry you are experiencing such an exasperating state . From what you wrote, unfortunately, there are several possibilities - of course it may be that he is indeed disinterested and you hold onto the idea because of wishful thinking. However, the other possibility is also real. For what it's worth, in the past I have in fact experienced situations where it seemed that way and then, many years later, the person in question actually stated that my perception had been correct alright, but for various reasons (mostly fear), they were not able to admit that at the time and this led to the feeling of facts being divorced from emotional reality…. which can indeed feel as if one is going mad. So it's unfortunately not possible to rule out either of the possibilities….

My advice, for reasons of emotional health, would nevertheless be to treat the seeming reality (the disinterest) as factual, and move on despite the feelings. It is hard no doubt but it can set you free, and open up new emotional possibilities whereas in the other case, if you hold onto something that may only be wishful thinking, you would essentially close yourself off from new love, and languish for a long time after something unattainable. That in my opinion would be the greater danger. Emotions are like habits, one can change them, even if slowly. And if your perception should prove to be correct in the long run, chances are the other party will come round at a later time, and you would then be in a good and healthy position to make a good choice about it because you have learned to stand on your own with or without them in your life.
Best of luck!


That's what I do. I treat the reality as it is. I am painfully aware of what it is really. He's taken, again and again.
Right now I am in a very rational phase if I may call it so. But sometimes, like what I had written above, I go into a "this can't be true, it does fit together and I get overwhelmed by a feeling that the rational thinking is at odd with some deeper knowledge. I think part of this might be because I have a tendency to think that gut feeling never lies, and in this case it did, and also it might be a result of denial (because well let's face it it is not a nice truth..)
At the moment ,and since a few days, I've been thinking of just confessing to get over it. I am not really sure if I am supposed to hold it inside and remain silent for as long as this will go on but I've become extremely tired of it. I'm still weighing the pros and cons of whether that is a good idea or not ...

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posted January 28, 2015 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 28, 2015 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Vajra:
Hi ueharaa,

again, sorry for the unpleasant state of mind you're going through…

However, if he's in a relationship, then I would definitely not advise you to talk with him about your feelings. That can backfire in a major way, and you could get even more hurt as a result. In such a case, I would rather recommend to try and distance yourself and try to get the whole thing out of your mind as best you can…by distracting yourself or by trying to meet new people.

Whatever you do, best of luck.


yes you're not the first to tell me this actually. I've been told what's the point? you'll just be hurt etc.. But trust me, I've tried getting my mind off him, I've met new people, i even moved towns in between but nothing was enough so I though maybe putting myself face to face with the harsh reality is my best option.
I think this also has to do with my personality, at least I could tell myself, he knows. I am not expecting anything if only a bit of relief and get some closure. I also know that this way I will not be able to talk to him ever again even as just friendly acquaintance.

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posted January 28, 2015 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's what I'd like to do but I don't know if I can do it.

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posted January 29, 2015 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted January 29, 2015 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 29, 2015 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a tricky subject.
On the one hand there is this whole issue about boundaries and respecting someone's relationship
and then on the other, well there's me. I know this may come off as egoistical but I've been carrying this heavy burden for years now and I'm seriously exhausted. Just when I thought I was out of it, that I could move on because I knew he was happy. He had to let me know that they had broken up. It was like a huge fist in the stomach. You know it's not like I am making those bigger than they are with my brain it is just gut, feelings based reactions. This person affects me that much. And it takes a lot of energy from me, either because I try to deny, to forget, to focus my thoughts etc... either because it makes me sad. Not just for myself but for various reasons.
I want to get my energy back and be able to focus on myself. I've tried doing this relentlessly and it costs me more than I get.
I'm not sure if I make sense. But I think maybe this is the one way to put all of this behind and get to breath again.

I'm saying all of this but a good friend of mine keeps telling me not to do this because I'll just make a fool of myself and he's certainly going to think that I am crazy.. But oh well...

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posted January 30, 2015 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very tricky.

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posted January 31, 2015 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sabine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmmm...while reading this I'm reasonating with what you're expressing. I tend to jump in head first if a feeling is nagging me. If he's single then let him know even though your rational mind think he might think you're crazy. You might be surprised. My Twin Flame situation really open me up to new possibilities.

I don't want this to be about me but I like to elucidate my points using personal experiences.

Some would say I have an unrequited situation being that my TF and I are married to other folks. Then there's the 33 years disparity. It's ridiculous I know. Anyhow he had initiated contact first in regard to attraction. I felt it upon first physical meeting. Long story short I remember and feel things from past livesenergy strongly than he does and I have a stronger emotional bond. I pushed him to admit that it was just sexual attraction for him while I feel this emotional and spiritual connection. It hurt at first to hear that he doesn't feel the emotional bond like I do. But deep down I know there's more and that we have loved in prior lives very deeply. So now I'm at peace because I express all I have to say and let him know I love him despite the fact it's not reciprocated. He said I deserve reciprocation but I'm okay with it. I wouldn't have been okay with it if he wasn't a TF.

If he's single now why not express that nagging feeling and see what adventure it will lead you?

Fishkitten, one of the very interesting posters here said life is a field trip. That statement resonated with me. Different mindset, different perspective.

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posted February 01, 2015 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, at the 33 years.

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posted February 01, 2015 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sabine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yup it sucks. Since I'm very honest, I told my husband about my discovery. Now he's telling me he's having anxiety especially when I'm on the phone. I believe in honesty...I told him if this relationship doesn't serve us anymore it's best to move on rather than live in bitterness. II use to have anxiety about finding the one and staying married forever....even therapist said that we live in an age of toss away marriage heralding to the good old days. Mehh...if it's nothing like the notebook...that all encompassing love why torture oneself?

I'm at a point where I'm okay if I'm a single mom as I feel like that even before discovery of TF.

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posted February 02, 2015 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sabine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Randall!♡

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posted February 03, 2015 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're welcome.

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posted February 04, 2015 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ueharaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So a few days ago I decided I had thought about it enugh and that I was ready to be honest an let him know. I wrote something that said I was sad at the idea of not seeing him again and that I had been thinking about him. Said it kind of bothered me and asked him not to find it disrespectful or anything.
I wasn't expecting a reply or anything.

I felt much lighter after. Like finally I had gotten to be honest about it. I wasn't expecting anything so it didn't feel stressful at all.

And then the weirdest thing happened. He replied and he seemed really defensive. After a small speech on fate and how it's nice to get news from mates to see here they are in life etc.. He switched to if you want to talk to me, I'll reply, but if you don't anymore then don't write to me, it's that simple.
I was just utterly confused because I thought he hadn't understood a single thing of what I had said despite being quite obvious. So I had to tell him that maybe there was some misunderstanding and after clarifying that I did not intend on not talking to him anymore he just got all "ok everything's alright then".

I can not help but think he is totally mocking me right now. Like How could he not understand?
Is this mercury retrograde? I thought it was good to get clear old matters ?!

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posted February 05, 2015 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sabine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah it is good but I would do it after February 11th when Mercury retrograde go back to normal. Or so I've been told. 😆

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posted February 08, 2015 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Healing Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If he's in a relationship he is just trying to do damage control so he doesn't get in trouble when his girlfriend reads your correspondence. He isn't reading your letter for deep meaning and giving a meaningful response. When you said he told you he was single, was this recently or a long time ago? Does he still have a girlfriend? Vajra is still giving you great advice.

A good and wise author named Jeff Brown has a great quote that fits this situation.
"If one person doesn't want the relationship, then it’s simply not a fit. No sense trying to figure out why we think they don’t want it. No sense blaming it on their commitment issues. No sense waiting around for them to realize they wanted it after all. Because it doesn't matter why they don’t want it. What matters is that we want to be met heart-on by a fully engaged partner. If they don’t want it, then we don’t want it, because we don’t want to be with someone who is not there for it fully. That’s the thing about love relationship- it’s an agreement that has to be signed by both souls. If one doesn't sign, then nothing has been lost. If it’s not a fit for them, it’s not a fit for us either. On to the next adventure we go."
(~an excerpt from Love it Forward, available at http://www.amazon.com/Love-It-Forward-Jeff-Br…/…/0980885930/

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