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starr33
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posted February 28, 2015 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starr33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I always thought if it was "meant to be" then your other half would be single or about to be. Why would fate put two people together who are magnetized toward each other, but have one or both married or in a long-term relationship? It's like some kind of sick joke in which I fail to find the humor.

Also, I was under the impression (not sure why) that soul mates are of the same age. The person I'm referring to is ten years older than me. October 73 for me, September 63 for him. We're both Libras.

Does anyone have any thoughts on availability and age differences?


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Randall
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posted March 01, 2015 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good questions!

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starr33
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posted March 01, 2015 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starr33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I just don't understand it, Randall. I see this person almost daily and it can feel torturous at times. And my Moon in Cancer is conjunct his North Node in Cancer. His Moon is in Capricorn and my North Node is in Capricorn. It doesn't help that his Capricorn Moon is in my 5th house.

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starr33
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posted March 07, 2015 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starr33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His North Node is in my 11th house, so, sadly, I don't think we will be together as marriage partners this time around. But I do believe we are important to one another's future. Aquarius is the sign of the future, and it rules, along with Saturn, the 11th house, so it could be a long wait.

Moving on and concentrating on my writing feels like the best thing to do at present.

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GypseeWind
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posted March 07, 2015 07:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My understanding of soul mates is that it can be anyone who fosters your souls growth and teaches you lessons that aid your growth.
I personally don't feel that age is a factor.
I believe that parents and children can be soul mates, siblings, even pets (they do have souls!)
So because of this I have been more focused on the journey vs the destination.
I had a 7 yr relationship with someone 14 yrs younger than me, and while I knew it could never last, still he was a soul mate and taught me so much. So even if you can't be together in the way you desire at this time, you could very well be soul mates who teach each other many things.

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Healing Mystic Melody
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posted March 10, 2015 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Healing Mystic Melody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, the Fates are cruel. <3

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Aubyanne
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posted March 12, 2015 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
starr33,

I was drawn to Soul Unions today, so forgive if the 'signal' was delayed. I'm dealing with a fair bit at present. (Aren't we all?)

My heart belongs to two men: my husband, a Karmic Partner and Companion Soulmate, and my boyfriend, who is 'expressing' the desires of my Twin Flame as needed (though it's looking much more 'fated' than anything.) It wasn't always like this, and it's taken 5 years of solid, dedicated work from the three of us to create this wonderful loving family. He doesn't live with us, as he's devoted to caring for his elderly mother, ('as she deserves me to do, given how much of her life was dedicated to bringing me up') but we are a family, nonetheless.

How this happened is a story of some complexity!

It was through our synastry, actually, that I came to realise how he and I share a deeply involved karmic history, in which we were revealed to have routinely refused love in favour of duty, and adherence to principles that value tradition over nonconformist ideas. As such, we each had to accept exposure to personal backlash, social rejection, and reshaping our ideals in a way that would allow us to be together.

We were first together for six months in 2010, a few months after our meeting. The relationship was hesitant as it tried to find its footing, obsessively aware of how it was affecting my husband, for good or ill. It came to a sudden end that November, as my boyfriend couldn't abide being party to an extramarital relationship, as my husband and I were engaged a month prior to my meeting my now-boyfriend. It was a surprisingly loving breakup for all its volatility and tumultuous feelings. And the relationship wasn't even sexual! I married my husband, both suddenly for pragmatic reasons, and also as intended, that New Year's Eve.

As my marriage tried to find its legs, my boyfriend and I built a stronger platonic relationship. Three years later, a spontaneous confession of mutual feelings led to exploring resuming the relationship. This past month, during the beautiful conjunctions of EROS and PSYCHE with VENUS and MARS, it became official.

That's the VERY condensed nutshell. The nuances are almost overwhelming, but I felt it useful to share the summary of my story.

My husband, boyfriend, and I have all grown, evolved, and helped each other become better, stronger, less egocentric and more compassionate, connected, soulful people. My husband has made the greatest transformation of all, becoming less materialistic and ego-driven, while my boyfriend has slowly learnt to truly connect and we've both begun the tremendous journey to become sexual beings. (We're both asexual, but my husband is a sex addict. It's been a difficult balance to strike, and takes constant, daily work.)

My husband and I had the outstanding karma of commitment -- but not loyalty per se. My path is to embody the divine feminine and merge with the divine masculine while in this aspect of my soul and higher self. My boyfriend and I abandoned and betrayed one another in another fashion: by refusing to let love encourage us to dive into the unknown. We were slave to our principles rather than using them consciously and conscientiously as a guide. As such, we hurt each other deeply, and had to learn to trust love over ego-based fear; to do so without condition or even expected reward.

So, in my case, it was essential that I marry my husband (to clear the negative karma incurred from failing to commit to a marriage to him) as well as tackle the troublesome personal demons that arise from your identity being unintentionally maliciously shaped by your actions. You learn that the definitions do not define you, and to value love -- true, spiritual, unconditional love -- above all else.

Sometimes there are very important reasons as to why one Twin may be married to a Karmic Partner, even though they are intended to Reunite with their own Twin Flame. Sometimes it's to encourage patience. At others, it's for very specific reasons, and understanding them allows you to overcome the karma. You might suddenly find you're right where you needed to be, doing what you needed to do.

And that's a wonderful feeling.

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Vajra
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posted March 13, 2015 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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MineAgain
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posted March 13, 2015 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I met my (a) soulmate around 2 years ago. I am now able to call him my soulmate, which wasn't the case until recently. It wasn't until I understood the pain I went through was meant to teach me lessons and help me grow. That's how I realized he was my soulmate. I had never met anyone who triggered such a massive change in who I am. He also has changed a lot. I had never "loved" anyone this much in my entire life. Looking back, it was really scary. I haven't forgotten him but my heart has healed and I am now able to function/think of other guys which was impossible for roughly 2 years.

Unfortunately, even though we were both single, circumstances didn't really allow for anything solid to happen. Life takes over and despite living in the same city for two years, we only dated for a couple of weeks before things fell apart. After that, our lives took different turns.

He nows still lives in the country where we met but in a completely different city, hours away from where we met. I moved to another country.

I believe that once we both learned the lessons we needed to learn, the relationship just vanished, unexpectedly. He's still the one who holds a very precious place in my heart because I wouldn't be who I am today if it weren't for him, but I've grown into a completely different individual, we wouldn't work at this stage. Maybe we would.

Regardless of whether or not we were meant to be, my love for him will always remain the same. I'll probably date other men and fall in love again, build my career, move to far away lands, but he's still going to be in my heart.

It could be that he and I will meet again someday and look back on what happened. Maybe we'll fall in love with each other or wonder why we were even attracted to each other in the first place.

You know, sometimes roadblocks happen for a reason. Maybe you're meant to achieve something on your own/with another soulmate first. Things don't always materialize exactly in the timing we wish for because there's a reason.

Don't be frustrated. There is a reason and a timing for everything

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posted March 20, 2015 08:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Charmaine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GypseeWind:
My understanding of soul mates is that it can be anyone who fosters your souls growth and teaches you lessons that aid your growth.
I personally don't feel that age is a factor.
I believe that parents and children can be soul mates, siblings, even pets (they do have souls!)
So because of this I have been more focused on the journey vs the destination.
I had a 7 yr relationship with someone 14 yrs younger than me, and while I knew it could never last, still he was a soul mate and taught me so much. So even if you can't be together in the way you desire at this time, you could very well be soul mates who teach each other many things.

Agreed!

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Randall
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posted March 21, 2015 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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starr33
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posted March 23, 2015 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starr33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My, uh, soulmate, just fired me. Oh, wait, I'm sorry--laid me off. Thank God I can collect unemployment. I'll come back to this post later, it's hard to focus right now. I WILL respond to everyone this evening. It's not like I have to get up early or anything.

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Vajra
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posted March 23, 2015 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Bluewells2014
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posted March 25, 2015 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bluewells2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're story is really inspiring Mineagain!

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starr33
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posted March 25, 2015 06:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starr33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry I haven't responded here-too busy wandering around my apartment aimlessly, or spending time at the gym. Has anyone read the book by Dr. Weiss, called, Only Love is Real?

If allowed, I'd really like to post one or two excerpts from it. Trying to stay preoccupied.

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MineAgain
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posted March 27, 2015 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MineAgain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Bluewells2014:
You're story is really inspiring Mineagain!

Aw. Thank you very much

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posted March 28, 2015 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for furrybunny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
awww

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posted April 01, 2015 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Emsie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I completely share MineAgain's story. Me single, my soul mate, too. We're each other's mirrors. I learned a lot because of him, but I don't regret anything. I'm grateful.

Currently, we're not communicating at all, because he went into this hermit mode. Funny enough, I sent him an e-mail today to ask if he's still alive at all.

Btw, he's also unavailable, but in another way - emotionally. He still has his own walls around his heart. His ex-gf dumped him years ago and he's still coping with past stuff and burdens.

Our connection started out by being friends, but from the first moment did I feel a strong bond. Then, we became attracted to each other, tried to get together, but the timing was off... We were not ready. I had issues with jealousy, lack of self-confidence and co-dependency, and he brought his pain into the picture as well. When we became 'romantic' I immediately felt that something was really 'off', so my intuition worked quite well.

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Randall
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posted April 02, 2015 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good to check and make sure he's alive.

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starr33
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posted April 02, 2015 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starr33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, he's alive. I think. I'll check.

Yes.

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posted April 02, 2015 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starr33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Vajra:
YIKES That's terrible

I wish you strength. Be kind with yourself right now, it must be such a shock. Take care not to let it affect your health.


That's very kind of you. With Neptune transiting my 6th and progressing the 3rd house, health seems to come and go like the tides. Stress doesn't help, but I go to the gym and can walk off some negative energy . The transit and progressions change very soon, though.

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posted April 10, 2015 10:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starr33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GypseeWind:
I personally don't feel that age is a factor.
I believe that parents and children can be soul mates, siblings, even pets (they do have souls!)
So because of this I have been more focused on the journey vs the destination.
I had a 7 yr relationship with someone 14 yrs younger than me, and while I knew it could never last, still he was a soul mate and taught me so much. So even if you can't be together in the way you desire at this time, you could very well be soul mates who teach each other many things.

Thank you, GypseeWind. Yes, I honestly think my cat, Miss Kittletons is one of my soul mates. I absolutely adore this woman- uh, I mean creature. Yes, she fancies herself a woman, but please don’t tell her the truth, it could break her little heart.
She's an amazing companion and comfort in my life. A friend of mine was over for lunch last week and could see the bond we have for each other. I lamented how lucky I was and she said maybe SHE chose me.

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posted April 10, 2015 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starr33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
starr33,


Sometimes there are very important reasons as to why one Twin may be married to a Karmic Partner, even though they are intended to Reunite with their own Twin Flame. Sometimes it's to encourage patience. At others, it's for very specific reasons, and understanding them allows you to overcome the karma. You might suddenly find you're right where you needed to be, doing what you needed to do.

And that's a wonderful feeling.


At first I didn't really know what to say about your story; now I do: it must take much energy on your part to live your life. Not to mention the courage to follow your heart and not care about social backlash. I hope you and your mates continue to grow and emerge triumphant! Thank you for sharing your story


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posted April 21, 2015 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starr33     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Vajra:
Regarding cases of romantic attachment to an unavailable person, it's interesting to consider the following possibility: Perhaps in a past life not long ago there was a romantic relationship between these two people, which has left a subconscious attachment in both, and one of them died early. The bereaved one might have spent many years grieving and longing for the dead partner, which according to karmic theory would create a strong desire to be with them again. In this example, the one who died earlier would not have experienced a comparably long period of grieving and longing, therefore his/her attachment, while still present, would not have the same level of intensity/desire than that of the other, leading e.g. to a situation where one party falls in love at first sight and the other feels strong sympathy and friendship but opts to honor his/her previous marriage obligations rather than breaking up with a spouse over this. Does this make any sense?

From a karmic viewpoint, this would mean that the person with the stronger feelings of attachment would be best off to try and forge a positive bond based on friendship with the person, i.e. sublime the sexual part of the attraction, or, avoid contact first for a while to reduce the level of attachment to a similar degree as the other person, to be able to relate to them on an equal footing later on. Which seems to be what you're about to do with concentrating on work etc.


Hello, Vajra! Thank you for your sympathy and understanding. Yes, it DOES make sense. The theory of grieving for a spouse who died early and having a stronger need to be the the other when they meet again is one I never thought of before. We did talk of the connection we had, because I was beginning to think it was all in my head. That I was in fantasy land or losing touch with my feelings. He said he felt it from the beginning!

Who really knows what we were to one another in the past, but it was something, and I heard souls continue where they left off. In fact,a few months ago I dreamed, for a couple of seconds, of him with a little blonde girl on his lap. I sensed he wanted me to see her, "Look at what I have". Her hair was messy and (although foggy) it looked like they were wearing prairie or pioneer style clothing. Kind of raggy.

It makes me wonder if in the past he could've been my dad! Or maybe he WILL be. I used to have dreams of myself dying in child birth; maybe I left him with a child to raise. There are many scenarios to contemplate. But I won't stop until I find out WHY. Even if it takes forever.

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