posted September 04, 2015 05:52 AM            

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Originally posted by MineAgain:
The eyes are usually the "magnetic" aspect in such connection. By just looking at their eyes, you know they're a soul connection of some sort. It's hard to articulate an explanation but you just feel it in your bones, soul and heart. The brain doesn't even come into play at first because this kind of love is not "ego" based.

The intensity when looking at a picture is normal. I'd get flows of energies by just looking at a picture.

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posted September 04, 2015 02:24 PM            

Writting this brings tears to my eyes and nourishes me.
So tell me,how am i supposed to deny myself the joy of loving him,just loving him by
surpressing my emotions?

That's why i haven't moved on so far.I valiciate from wanting to just love him
purely,just love him as much as i can ,as much as i want to,not denying myself that
love because it comes from within and nourishing me.

Yet at the same time,i get afraid that if i do love him freely that i'll never move on
or that i'm being stupid to love someone whom all the evidence points to that he
doesn't love me.

So i go back and forth from loving him completely to denying my feelings for him,which doesn't last so the whole cycle continues again.

Sometimes i wish i didn't met him because then i wouldn't be this conflicted.

But sometimes i feel i'm blessed to have met him,to have loved his divinity,to have
known such love even if it just arises on my own.

Daniel Beddingfeild's If you're not the one's lyrics(all of them but the parts
highlighted are my favorite) perfectly describes my emotions sometimes :

~I don't wanna run away,but i can't take it,i don't understand,
if i'm not made for you,then why does my heart tell me that i am,
is there anyway i can stay in your arms.~

Ps here's the full lyrics:

"If You're Not The One"

If you’re not the one then why does my soul feel glad today?
If you’re not the one then why does my hand fit yours this way?
If you are not mine then why does your heart return my call
If you are not mine would I have the strength to stand at all

I'll never know what the future brings
But I know you're here with me now
We’ll make it through
And I hope you are the one I share my life with

I don’t want to run away but I can’t take it, I don’t understand
If I’m not made for you then why does my heart tell me that I am?
Is there any way that I can stay in your arms?

If I don’t need you then why am I crying on my bed?
If I don’t need you then why does your name resound in my head?
If you’re not for me then why does this distance maim my life?
If you’re not for me then why do I dream of you as my wife?

I don’t know why you’re so far away
But I know that this much is true
We’ll make it through
And I hope you are the one I share my life with
And I wish that you could be the one I die with
And I pray in you’re the one I build my home with
I hope I love you all my life

I don’t want to run away but I can’t take it, I don’t understand
If I’m not made for you then why does my heart tell me that I am
Is there any way that I can stay in your arms?

‘Cause I miss you, body and soul so strong that it takes my breath away
And I breathe you into my heart and pray for the strength to stand today
‘Cause I love you, whether it’s wrong or right
And though I can’t be with you tonight
You know my heart is by your side

posted September 06, 2015 01:13 PM            

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Originally posted by sc0rpioRising:
I completely agree. There is such a fine line between the karmic soulmate and TF. I havent been intouch with who i think is my TF for 2 years. Can one expect this? We have markers for both karmic and TF.... im not sure where.we stand
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Don't trust the astrology, Sc0rpio. Just your feelings. I couldn't let my actual twin flame go, or 'relegate' him to anything less than what I felt he is, despite the astrology 'determining' that my karmic soulmate is my twin flame.

Then I later realised there's a greater reason for all of this; there was a reason for my having to go through the experience of having to 'prove' to myself, and anyone else, that there was something too exceptional and unique about my experiences and relationship with my twin flame. That goes beyond the psychic phenomena, or the past-life recalls, or the experience of all of the 'signs' which everyone believes determine a twin flame.

posted September 06, 2015 05:01 PM            

Funny, but 'If You're Not The One' was something of a theme for my last relationship, with my karmic soulmate. God. So much pain. SO much confusion. Though, if I'm going to be frank with myself, I'd have to admit that it did a lot to eventually prepare me for a smoother transition into a real relationship -- with my twin.

I honestly believe that if someone is having a 'twin flame relationship' at a distance, it's a delusion rather than spiritual destiny. The depth, power, and profundity of this relationship is not a burden to be shouldered alone, but a shared gift to be explored together; at times challenged and tested, but made stronger through adversity, and deepened due to the mutual commitment each has to the other despite the difficulties, obstacles, and conflicts.

Anything less, in my opinion, could never be a twin flame, and is likely a karmic soulmate with a serious lesson to impart to us. Whether or not we learn it determines if we're going to repeat it again in another person later one. You might find tSATURN to be a decent timer for this, and usually, hard aspects.

If anything, karmic soulmates teach us to love ourselves, through the pain of unrequited love from another. We can play the martyr -- if that proves to be significant to our journey, or we can seek out a suitable relationship with a partner that's at least compatible with us and willing to work through what impedes a relationship.

Honestly, without that ... what do you have but fantasy? And, while this may seem hurtful (and it's not meant to be) it may be 'fun' for awhile -- allow us to feel as if we have some great troubled love of the ages, for which we're earning our wings by sticking with it -- the truth is, all you end up is alone.

Think of that for a moment. Our toiling and tears don't do anything in the grand scheme towards that relationship. They either don't know and don't care -- or do know -- and don't care enough. And we're left having wasted time, and, probably feeling rather foolish about it.

But unless reuniting with your twin flame in relationship isn't on your soul's to-do list, and this pain and misery doesn't really contribute to the greater goal of achieving that, I have to ask, seriously, why you'd even bother doing it.

Maybe you can take it from one who'd been there -- for a near decade -- and consider my opinion to hold some validity when I tell you that I found it just wasn't worth it.

Do I wish I'd given it up back in, oh, 2011? Nah. I needed the pain and suffering of 2012. I needed for him to fall deeply in love with me, want a relationship and be unable to bring himself to have it, so that he could break my heart into a billion pieces at the dawn of 2013, forcing me to reassess my deeply buried feelings for my twin, who became my boyfriend that year.

And why?

Because, despite having so many of the same critical issues as my karmic soulmate, at least my twin was willing to love me. He was willing to try; to work through our issues, rather than succumb to them and hurt -- even eventually destroy -- each other. He knew it was the only way to have a relationship, and he dedicated himself to the cause.

So, why, in all honesty, would I give my karmic soulmate another thought? Do I not still love him? Well, sure. But differently. Comes a time that you have to decide whether to keep pouring time, energy, and love into a bottomless pit. You're not going to get it back. Doesn't that mean it's wasted? Why would you want to continue wasting your resources? Especially the most precious -- your love and energy?

posted September 06, 2015 05:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Maybe the most important question to ask would be: Is it one-sided? Because in the unfortunate case it is, how could it then possibly be 'twin flames'? All the famous signs and synchronicities mean nothing in that case IMHO, if the basis of deep mutual affection and trust is just not there. If it's mutual, however, and the uncanny connection is in fact acknowledged by both, then it can be interesting to go looking further into the nature of the connection. But what you all too often see is people who are unhappily in love and who cling to the idea of being mystically linked to someone who just doesn't feel the same about them, and that's where such ideas can become self-damaging. To me it seems that synchronicities with numbers etc. will probably be found in all types of karmic relationships so I wouldn't take that as a distinguishing criterion. Just my $0.02 of course.

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posted September 07, 2015 07:26 PM              

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
My karmic soulmate loves me, Aurora; sometimes, it seems almost too deeply and entirely for him to handle. But he doesn't love himself, and is unwilling to be able to truly love me.

What's funny is that iQ thought for awhile we must all be triplet flames or something. Really! He couldn't figure it out. But after closely analysing everything in depth -- not just the astrology -- he came to a an irreversible decision that 'my guardian soulmate' is actually my Twin Flame, and my 'Twin Flame' is actually my karmic soulmate.

It's strange how that happened, but I'm grateful. One led me to truly being prepared for the other, in both cases; so that I could clear karma, and then begin the most important relationship of my existence.

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posted September 09, 2015 08:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
Ha! I had a feeling it was so! I am glad, Auby, I think this is the truth, revealed. And yes, love is all that matters, agreed!

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Everybody 'knew' but us, DM. But I wouldn't change a thing. This is some serious business. It's taken half of my life of 'preparation' to be able to do this correctly. I wouldn't have known how to handle such expectations in the beginning. They're tricky enough now!

But, yes, it is always about the love. Even in those fleeting moments of doubt, at the worst of the devastation, there was the distant sound of his words echoing, 'never doubt', which became almost mantric. Never doubt that he loves me; never doubt the depth with which he cherishes me. Never doubt ... never doubt.

posted September 29, 2015 05:18 PM            

I will say - all the twins I know who are in union together - were not looking. They were just living their lives and boom - it happened and "ohhhh crap"...cause once it's in motion, you're just in for the ride.

In my experience, TFs meet because the Higher Self decides they will - and that's it. And they'll move mountains to get you face to face if it's time. This will happen at a time that is most serendipitous for both people to be triggered and have a heart catalyzing experience and start opening themselves and moving into heart energy. Whether they end up "together" or not (you can never really be apart) is really a secondary matter to the Higher Self.

Someone else in this thread (MineAgain?) was saying how they often have connections prior to meeting in person. Yes, that has also been my observation. And In my own experience this was true. We were work colleagues in 2001(phone and email only). I was in USA - he was in Holland. We hated each other and were banned from working together anymore because we just caused problems. I moved to Australia in 2006 and married someone else and never thought about him again.

Then in 2011 I was at an international conference in Germany with 80,000 other people, and we both went to a dinner party we weren't supposed to be at (long story) and got seated next to each other. So we finally "met". I had totally forgotten who he even was.

When we met - it was a pretty instant "ka-bang". We were both in failed marriages, both going through a very low period, both struggling to accept our deeper selves. I flew back to Australia the next day (nothing happened physically - my at-that-time husband was also at the dinner party) and we didn't see each other again in person for almost a year - though the telepathy was instant and we were in email contact frequently.

Honestly, if you've met a TF - I don't think you can "miss" it. You just KNOW. No one needs to tell you or confirm it. Your heart centre explodes and the core of your being knows without a doubt.

And then yes - both of our lives totally collapsed. Marriage, career, house, money etc. I was forced to spend the next few years healing deep personal wounds and accepting my path as a healer and channel. We DID end up married - and happy at that! But it took years.

Years.

I don't know of any other genuine TF couples who are together who didn't spent years sorting their own stuff out (apart). And even then - many do not choose to be physically together.

But - labels? On another level - who cares? If this person you've met and the connection is helping you to grow as a person and you feel it's worth it to keep working with the catalytic energy to open your heart and all that magic - does it really matter what label they have?

posted September 29, 2015 08:33 PM            

Wow! Your story with your husband sounds so very similar to how I met one of my first karmic soulmates. What a ride, indeed! We'd 'worked together' before as well, but it was disallowed to know one another's identity. (Intelligence work --- long story.) Luckily, we didn't hate each other, but we also certainly didn't know one another outside of the handles we were both using on the BBS.

Skip ahead a few years, and we meet at a conference in DC. Sparks don't just fly, they combust. The 'recognition' was instant, down to the unshakable feeling of 'have we ever met before somewhere?' We become immediate travel companions, choosing to spend whatever time together outside of our schedule at the conference.

Suddenly, we're discussing a huge digital scandal that went down during that time, of which we'd indirectly been a part, on the intel-gathering side. Both very cautious not to reveal anything sensitive, but he accidentally drops a very familiar acronym, and quickly dismisses it when I ask him to repeat it, with a casual 'it was a private thing, you wouldn't know about it.'

Ohhh, but how I had!

I take a risk (Though, it's not really a risk; the op was long-since done, and any necessary clearances were honestly vestigial, and the only one who could 'report me' would be him, and the whole section was disbanded anyway. But, hey, I take confidentiality very seriously.) And I respond to the sentence with the acronym with another acronym, and a code phrase. (Really, who's going to report me?)

His eyes go wide. So do mine!

He lowers his voice and tells me his old handle. I tell him mine. We both smile, realising how many times we had drops with each other when we were active. But, of course, it was absolutely verboten to divulge any personal information -- even location. Most we knew was region. I was southwest, he was west. The op was being run out of the east, which was where the client was. I knew no other west region contacts, and I was the only one active in the southwest before the my handler released me and severed all contact. So, I couldn't have tracked down the other contact if I'd wanted to -- or anyone.

We were together for about a year, long distance the entire time, but saw each other when we could. It was rough, with him in Los Angeles, and my still in Dallas. By the time I at last moved to LA, we'd lost contact. I'd heard it through 'the grapevine' that he went into naval intelligence which forayed into a crypto gig at the NSA. I'd believe it. He was quite brilliant.

I doubt his wife is a cover, though. Heh. She'd been his girlfriend after me, and, it would seem, she got her hooks in and never let go. I left a message on their answering machine, saying how my husband and I moved to LA recently, and I would love to catch up. Finding him is impossible. He must have gone completely black, meaning the work he does is pretty high clearance. So tracking down his wife was tough enough. I did speak to his brother, once, who'd said he was in genetics at Berkeley and then 'changed careers' and 'moved up north'. Uhhhh huh. I know what that means. So, I'm gathering, my deduction is sound.

Anyhow. It's so silly how we're in the same damned city -- have been, since 2008 -- and we aren't in contact. I figure, if it's meant to be, we'll cross paths again. We were great friends; helped each other through some tough times, and he always had so much respect for me.

posted November 20, 2015 08:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Sikanda:
Good post. I think my last love interest was karmic, while my first one felt more 'real'.

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posted November 26, 2015 05:48 AM            

Nobody will ever replace 'my skeleton twin' -- to borrow from a film that affected me deeply. He's my brother, at every level of being. More than a soul-brother. He's that spark of existence that sparked into existence when I did. There's a love there that will never dull, never fade, and, if given the chance to simply be love, will be all we've ever hoped, and felt we are.

But words cannot truly articulate the experience I have with the man I can only truly know as 'Jack'. He defies definition; I've stopped trying to select only one. My best friend. My partner. My extradimensional companion. My colleague. The love of more lives than I can mention, or of which I can keep track. He's my ultimate complement.

My husband, for whom I have an enduring and powerful love, is undoubtedly a karmic soulmate. We've had heavy debts to repay, lessons to teach, and love to give. He, too, has been a best friend, lover and teacher as well as student. We've never been as complementary as we have simply dedicated to a deep love for one another -- and never quite knowing exactly why. It's certainly not been an easy journey, but it has been worth it.

I don't know what qualifies a twin flame, to be frank with you. But if it's unconditional love to such a degree that its expression is truly exceptional, and, care of one who is among the more devoted, kind-hearted, strong-minded and genuinely evolved --- then, perhaps that's the case with us.

I'd never known a man who would love me so completely that he would only seek to develop a sexual relationship, so that it could be enjoyed with me, and is only capable of fashioning himself as a husband if he may make me his wife.

These days, our lacking such titles and legal status is almost inconsequential. In our hearts, our deeds, and upon our souls that commitment was already made, and our actions through our love for one another only strengthens it each day.

posted December 30, 2015 03:14 AM            

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Originally posted by MineAgain:
The "spiritual awakening" almost always starts with pain and energy. The pain is usually a heartache. Your life usually starts collapsing around you : heartbreak, you lose certain friends, start experiencing job issues, financial problems ... Your life is no longer what it once was because everything is destroyed for a better reconstruction.

The energy is a mixed bag of a strong energy from your solar plexus at first.

The spiritual awakening may resemble a "depression" but you are shedding skin here. You start viewing your own behaviors and patterns in a different light. You're detached yet so close to your emotions that you feel things a thousand times stronger than usual.

Your sleep pattern is completely turned upside down and all you think about is the pain, your behavior, your patterns, your life. You put your entire life in perspective, not just regarding your love life. You start analyzing how you treat others, how you treat yourself and how others treat you. Then from there starts a deep progress of death and regeneration. The process is filled with pain, resentment, sadness and anger. You start looking at the traumatic events you went through and analyze why and how you went through those. Old events/heartaches/trauma that may have been buried come to the surface.

If you had strong religious beliefs, you start questioning them. It is all about questioning your current habits in order to keep the good and remove the bad.

By the end of the process, you find yourself in alignment with who you're supposed to be. The energy shifts from the solar plexus to the heart chakra and the pain disappears. Even if someone hurt you deeply in the past, you forgive them and see the good in what happened. Your feelings are more stable and you learn to love everyone regardless of their features or behavior. You end up seeing the good in everything even the bad situations and circumstances.

The energy usually gets balances when it reaches your heart chakra. When your heart chakra burst open, you will a love for everyone and anyone. It may seem as though you're in a high for two or three days then it calms down. The energy is stabilized and the push/pull lessens so does the energy.

If you had major anger issues or depression, it tends to push you to look at the root of your issues to correct your patterns. By the end of the process you'll end up in a more emotionally stable mindset because you will have removed the blocks you were holding on to.

The awakening is a gradual process. It does not happen overnight. It can even take two years to fully reach its culmination. During that time, you tend to isolate yourself from others to unconsciously work on yourself. You question everything. You temporarily lose interest in extroverted activities you used to love.

It is a long process.

You have waves of emotions coming through from anger to sadness to happiness. It is a mixed bag. You don't always know why you're feeling what you're feeling.

The "butterflies" you feel are not the spiritual awakening. They are just part of the energy.

You also start taking care of yourself, turn to prayers and angel more often, and experience strange synchronicities and vivid dreams. You have a sudden psychic ability which you had never experienced before. The dreams feel so real and can sometimes manifest into reality. You can also experience weight change.

It can sometimes get you physically sick to the point where you always feel tired, don't want to go out ... stay at home. Isolation is inevitable because your sensitivity is heightened and you don't feel like being other people. You're no longer the person you once was. This behavior does not resemble who you usually are but it forces you to look inside yourself so you can grow.

I could go on and on about this but it would be too long.

By the end of the process, you'll feel that you are a more stable person because you will have looked at yourself in a very raw light and overcome your self-sabotaging ways.

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Wow this is so on point... every single word was 2015 for me.

After finally healing from a devastating loss of my best friend and lover, I recently experienced my heart chakra opening or awakening rather. It felt like a door on hinges that swung open. Literally. Ever since my heart has been on fire in my chest, and it expands all the way up into my throat. It's this pulsating, warm, expanding and euphoric feeling and love just beams like the sun. Sometimes it even feels like icy hot inside my chest. Kind of hard to put into words. It first happened when I saw picture of certain man, it happened when I met him and it continues to happen anytime I think of him, or read a message from him.