posted August 20, 2015 06:35 AM            

Ie:
-your birth dates match up(in a strange way like your month is his birth date backwards and your birth date is the higher vibration of his month).
-you're gone through something akin to a spiritual awakening after meeting that person
-he brings up all your fears and insecurities and amplifies it to the point that you can identify it as yours rather than projecting it on him.
-you've felt what is akin to unconditional love for him.

Yet you get told repeatedly that's he's just a karmic soulmate and nothing more.It's just karma between you two that makes you feel that way.

So how can you really tell then when your heart says one thing and your head says another?

That's about what i can think of for now.

posted August 20, 2015 01:44 PM            

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Maybe the most important question to ask would be: Is it one-sided? Because in the unfortunate case it is, how could it then possibly be 'twin flames'? All the famous signs and synchronicities mean nothing in that case IMHO, if the basis of deep mutual affection and trust is just not there. If it's mutual, however, and the uncanny connection is in fact acknowledged by both, then it can be interesting to go looking further into the nature of the connection. But what you all too often see is people who are unhappily in love and who cling to the idea of being mystically linked to someone who just doesn't feel the same about them, and that's where such ideas can become self-damaging. To me it seems that synchronicities with numbers etc. will probably be found in all types of karmic relationships so I wouldn't take that as a distinguishing criterion. Just my $0.02 of course.

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*nods* you have a very good point there Vajra.

It's 2 in the morning so i can't really post anything more than the above but i agree.

posted August 20, 2015 03:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Hi Aurora_girl1990,

I was only answering your question in general, mind you, not referring to your personal situation which I'm not familiar with. If you should indeed find yourself right now in such circumstances where you're not sure whether it's "all in your head" or not (as many people, me included, have been at least once in their lives), why not think of the other person as something of a catalyst? Maybe his karmic purpose for your life is to bring out these feelings of love in you, to enhance your capacity to feel deeply, and thus, to change you for the better?

It's absolutely possible this could be all there is to it... and it wouldn't in any way devaluate your experience if that were the case, meaning your perception of your own side of the equation would most certainly be real, that this experience is a major karmic lesson of some sort to you; but it's crucial to realize that unless the other person feels similarly drawn to you, there is unfortunately no reason to assume that the contact affects them the same way. They could instead simply be the "bringer of karma" for you, and then go their merry way, oblivious of their effect on the other person. However, the experience might still prove valuable later, and have awoken in you the capacity to love more fully, and thus it may make a future relationship of yours better than it could have been without this experience.

I hope you get what I mean - thinking in longer periods and seeing life as a continuum of development helps me cope with pain so I recommend it, but I'm aware it's not everyone's favorite perspective.

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posted August 23, 2015 01:34 PM            

I found that most 'twin flames' tend to go through similar situations around the same time. When I say 'similar', I'm not talking about regular life events, I'm talking about specific events that don't necessarily happen to everyone.

Also, in certain cases, Twin Flames may have been connected for a while prior to meet. For instance, they could be living in two separate continents yet they have connections in common.

Usually, once a 'karmic relationship' is over, you move on. You stop thinking of the person completely because you understood the lesson you need to learn to progress in life.

With a Twin Flame relationship, the 'flame' never cease. When I say 'the flame', I'm not saying 'pining' or some sort of past memory. You can definitely feel the energy in your solar plexus chakra and in your heart chakra.

Twin Flame relationships also experience some deep and meaningful psychic moments. For instance, you could be thinking of something from a distance (even countries apart) and the person would text you/post something about that very thought which you had never discussed before.

Of course, there are regular signs such as they complete your sentences and such, but these are found in most soulmate relationships.

Karmic relationships never push you to be a better person than you were before. They help you deal with your issues but you don't start a spiritual and emotional awakening as a result of those. You just grow and move on.

With a Twin Flame relationship, you end up being a better, more stable person. Karmic relationships can often leave you feeling 'unbalanced' which isn't the case of Twin Flame relationships once the energy has settled down.

Don't consult psychics to ask if this person is your twin flame. They might lead you in the wrong way. Your soul knows, from the moment you meet them. I think most people who met their true Twin Flame/Soul Connection, had no clue what a Twin Flame was prior to meeting them. It wasn't until they started experiencing the energy, the chakra pulls, the pain and the unconditional love that they started researching what this unusual phenomenon was.

Knowing about Twin Flames before meeting them can sometimes push you to hold on to the wrong person.

Twin Flames, not always but sometimes, look like each other. They have similar physical features face-wise and could pass for family members. Their eyes are especially piercing and captivating because you know instantly the nature of the connection by looking at their eyes even if you're not familiar with the Twin Flames concept. Looking at their eyes says a thousand words.

With Karmic Relationship, there is not true "energy pull", it's simply excitement and adrenaline which dissipates once the relationship is over. The pining may remain but the energy is goes away almost instantly.

Karmic relationships can be conflictual but not all the time. They just push you to behave in a manner which is unusual for you. Twin Flame relationships are always very short lived the first time they meet because of the intensity. Karmic relationships can last a long while, until you learn all of your lessons. Twin Flames tend to meet, feel the energy bliss for a very short period than it all goes south from there.

There is a sort of 'death and rebirth' aspect associated with the Twin Flames whereas karmic relationships don't instill a spiritual awakening. It's just intense.

I could go on and on about this, but this is how I personally interpret the nature of these relationships.

Don't trust birth dates, also. I once dated someone whose birth date was 05.11.1990 and mine is 11.05.1990 and it most definitely was not a Twin Flame relationship. It wasn't even a soulmate.

posted August 26, 2015 06:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
Wow, MineAgain, I'm really starting to think I've met him.

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I hope you have!

It's not an easy connection by any means.

posted August 26, 2015 11:25 AM            

The energy is a mixed bag of a strong energy from your solar plexus at first.

The spiritual awakening may resemble a "depression" but you are shedding skin here. You start viewing your own behaviors and patterns in a different light. You're detached yet so close to your emotions that you feel things a thousand times stronger than usual.

Your sleep pattern is completely turned upside down and all you think about is the pain, your behavior, your patterns, your life. You put your entire life in perspective, not just regarding your love life. You start analyzing how you treat others, how you treat yourself and how others treat you. Then from there starts a deep progress of death and regeneration. The process is filled with pain, resentment, sadness and anger. You start looking at the traumatic events you went through and analyze why and how you went through those. Old events/heartaches/trauma that may have been buried come to the surface.

If you had strong religious beliefs, you start questioning them. It is all about questioning your current habits in order to keep the good and remove the bad.

By the end of the process, you find yourself in alignment with who you're supposed to be. The energy shifts from the solar plexus to the heart chakra and the pain disappears. Even if someone hurt you deeply in the past, you forgive them and see the good in what happened. Your feelings are more stable and you learn to love everyone regardless of their features or behavior. You end up seeing the good in everything even the bad situations and circumstances.

The energy usually gets balances when it reaches your heart chakra. When your heart chakra burst open, you will a love for everyone and anyone. It may seem as though you're in a high for two or three days then it calms down. The energy is stabilized and the push/pull lessens so does the energy.

If you had major anger issues or depression, it tends to push you to look at the root of your issues to correct your patterns. By the end of the process you'll end up in a more emotionally stable mindset because you will have removed the blocks you were holding on to.

The awakening is a gradual process. It does not happen overnight. It can even take two years to fully reach its culmination. During that time, you tend to isolate yourself from others to unconsciously work on yourself. You question everything. You temporarily lose interest in extroverted activities you used to love.

It is a long process.

You have waves of emotions coming through from anger to sadness to happiness. It is a mixed bag. You don't always know why you're feeling what you're feeling.

The "butterflies" you feel are not the spiritual awakening. They are just part of the energy.

You also start taking care of yourself, turn to prayers and angel more often, and experience strange synchronicities and vivid dreams. You have a sudden psychic ability which you had never experienced before. The dreams feel so real and can sometimes manifest into reality. You can also experience weight change.

It can sometimes get you physically sick to the point where you always feel tired, don't want to go out ... stay at home. Isolation is inevitable because your sensitivity is heightened and you don't feel like being other people. You're no longer the person you once was. This behavior does not resemble who you usually are but it forces you to look inside yourself so you can grow.

I could go on and on about this but it would be too long.

posted August 26, 2015 06:59 PM            

As you know, I've gone through this particular wringer myself over the better part of a decade, being 'convinced' (via astrology) that a very central karmic soulmate was, in actuality, my Twin Flame. Only to realise that the love was what mattered most. Above all the signs. All the karma. All the soulmate something-or-other, something became astonishingly clear to me -- and just in the nick of time, really.

Now I've come to realise how many 'Twin Flame Signs' I've seen in some regard to every soulmate relationship I've ever had. If I'd considered that to be the most reliable thing, I would've missed the truth.

Luckily, I couldn't give up the possibility that I was missing something -- somewhere. I knew, from the depth of my soul, that he wasn't like the others; that there was something unique, even unbelievable about him -- and our relationship. And, what's funny, is all I really had to do is pay attention to the signs all over the last fifteen years of my life! It was some kind of 'insurance' system, if you will, to make certain that when I met him, I'd know it. And, from there, it would be my decision to deny it (which I did -- for awhile) or accept it, learn to clear the karma, forgive each other, and eventually come to do what it is we came here to do.

Love each other. Completely.

posted August 27, 2015 08:06 AM            

Nowdays perhaps less so.I dunno if i met him for real if the feelings would come back or not but that's it.

Also there was something very intense the first few years,almost like i couldn't look at a picture of him or hear his voice without feeling it to be intense.

But if you ask me if i feel he's my twin flame,i'd say no for a variety of reasons,many of which i'm not accutely aware of myself ,some of which i know such as there's a lack of love on his end,even if it's love on my end,and i have no clue if i seem just as unreal to him as he does to me etc.Also i don't want him to be my twin flame because i feel it's all wrong if he is.

All i ever want is to know that he loves me too.That's all.I couldn't care less if he was or wasn't my twin flame as long as he loves me the way i love him-the exact same way,no more no less..just equal.

Another thing strange is how i've felt equal to him in the begining despite us being so different on the outside.It's strange cuz i've also felt less than or more than other people but not with him.

And if you're wondering,i came across the term twin flame one night when i was googling what i felt for it.I don't remember the exact words though but i found a blog that described what i felt-the ijnrealness,the intensity etc to a T.

Even then i don't want to believe he's my twin flame because it doesn't fit.Or maybe i just don't like the label twin flame and what comes with it..ie you have to be very advance in your soul development etc.

Funnily enough i do feel he's the other side of me..and that he is me.Not on a emotional level like i did with my soul brother(the one Auby identified on here) but on a deeper level-a level beyond personality and emotions,a soul level i suppose.I feel that when i look into his eyes.

One thing that gets me is how his eyes can almost draw me in-like i could literally lose myself in them only to find myself.Even if it's just a picture i'm looking at.

posted August 27, 2015 10:52 AM            

The intensity when looking at a picture is normal. I'd get flows of energies by just looking at a picture.

I think with a Twin Flame, you don't feel intimidated. You know when you feel "stressed" about whether or not someone is going to like you, it doesn't happen with a Twin Flame. You're never stressed before a date or meeting them. You just know because you feel at peace.

I had serious insecurities which often prevented me from dating because I always felt like I wasn't good enough for the guy. This thought didn't cross my mind when I met that specific connection. You feel like they're an "equal" as you said. You know deep down inside you're not going to be judged.

However, the part where you go wrong is when you say: "I just want to know he loves me". That is just my personal opinion, please don't take it badly because I know where you're coming from. I used to say the exact same thing and it made me miserable for years! In this sort of connection, loving yourself is key because from the moment you long for their love, you're not focusing on yourself. The focus has to be on you at all times. The love you have for them is only an extension of the love you have for yourself. If you love yourself, it shouldn't matter whether they love you or not, because deep down inside, you know.

Twin Flames are a complicated subject which is often subjected to varied and conflicting views because each experience is different. There is no "uniform" criteria. In the end, it is only a metaphysical concept and labels are often overrated.

I believe it's better to love someone without having to label the kind of connection it is. From the moment your start labeling, you're removing the essence of the connection which is only supposed to be about love. I used to label when I was involved with him but I no longer do because I know how I feel about him and that's all that truly matters in the end.

posted August 27, 2015 11:11 AM            

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Originally posted by MineAgain:
The eyes are usually the "magnetic" aspect in such connection. By just looking at their eyes, you know they're a soul connection of some sort. It's hard to articulate an explanation but you just feel it in your bones, soul and heart. The brain doesn't even come into play at first because this kind of love is not "ego" based.

The intensity when looking at a picture is normal. I'd get flows of energies by just looking at a picture.

I think with a Twin Flame, you don't feel intimidated. You know when you feel "stressed" about whether or not someone is going to like you, it doesn't happen with a Twin Flame. You're never stressed before a date or meeting them. You just know because you feel at peace.

I had serious insecurities which often prevented me from dating because I always felt like I wasn't good enough for the guy. This thought didn't cross my mind when I met that specific connection. You feel like they're an "equal" as you said. You know deep down inside you're not going to be judged.

However, the part where you go wrong is when you say: "I just want to know he loves me". That is just my personal opinion, please don't take it badly because I know where you're coming from. I used to say the exact same thing and it made me miserable for years! In this sort of connection, loving yourself is key because from the moment you long for their love, you're not focusing on yourself. The focus has to be on you at all times. The love you have for them is only an extension of the love you have for yourself. If you love yourself, it shouldn't matter whether they love you or not, because deep down inside, you know.

Twin Flames are a complicated subject which is often subjected to varied and conflicting views because each experience is different. There is no "uniform" criteria. In the end, it is only a metaphysical concept and labels are often overrated.

I believe it's better to love someone without having to label the kind of connection it is. From the moment your start labeling, you're removing the essence of the connection which is only supposed to be about love. I used to label when I was involved with him but I no longer do because I know how I feel about him and that's all that truly matters in the end.

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The funny thing about the knowing that deep down you're not going to be judged part is that i feel(from my analysis) that it stems from the fact that deep down inside you know they love you too.And that gives that peace,that feeling that you know you won't be judged.When someone loves you,truly love you,they can't judge you because it separates you from them.And in love there can only be one.It's something i learnt from my feelings for him.I could never judge him either because (and through analysis) i realized it meant that i'd have to put aside the love i feel for him to do that and i didn't want to do that-to feel separate from him.

As for loving myself,it's odd that you mention and i quote "The love you have for them is only an extension of the love you have for yourself.".I've always felt this since the day i met him.Putting it into practice however has been hard mainly because i couldn't bring up that feeling at will Without thinking of him.And therein lies the problem.

If he doesn't love me and i think about him to bring it up,then i could get more entrenched and not ever move on from him.And that's why i want to know that he loves me too.Because then i could be free to feel the love i have for him without feeling like a fool (for loving someone that says they don't love me back ) and i could use that love to ,well love myself.

I,over the course of a few years,decided that if i could love him if HE was ME,then i could love Myself as well!.Practising that however is still a work in progress.

I also realized the one important thing-how powerful love is,that feeling,that emotion is a drive that if used properly can make one want to improve themselves to honor that love.

I also understood why our guides don't interfer unless we ask for assistance.It's because they operate from you and when you operate from love there's an honouring of one's contact,of one's life choices.I know that because that's what i feel for him.I don't respect his life choices,i honour them even if it leads him away from me because otherwise i couldn't be happy.His happiness is mine.It made me realize that beneath all my anger and fear(ego based emotions) lies something more beautiful ,more magnificient made up of love.

posted August 27, 2015 01:00 PM            

What's funny is that iQ thought for awhile we must all be triplet flames or something. Really! He couldn't figure it out. But after closely analysing everything in depth -- not just the astrology -- he came to a an irreversible decision that 'my guardian soulmate' is actually my Twin Flame, and my 'Twin Flame' is actually my karmic soulmate.

posted August 28, 2015 07:03 AM            

Only thing i know is that i've been simultaneous running and trying to move on from him while at the same time trying to find out if he loves me too so i didn't have to move on.

Sometimes i don't know why i feel that way.All i know is that ever since i was young i never wanted a soulmate.I used to scoff at the term 'soulmates' and such.It's only after i met him,a couple of years down the line that i realized my scoffing was used to cover up deep pain,pain at feeling that i've never have it so i rather not want it sorta feeling.

And this feeling is something i can't quite understand because i've never been hurt in love before in this lifetime.Yet ever since i was 11 i scoffed at 'true love' and wanted nothing more than friendship based love.Which i know i'm right about-if you have a strong friendship it makes for a better relationship but what i don't get is why i rejected 'true love' and 'love at first sight ' etc even before i met him.

After i met him i'd understand given that i feel that i can never be with him for whatever damn reason.I felt this since day one.I remember the day i knew i was in love with him,I was scared ******** .I remember telling myself that what i felt had nothing to do with him and everything to do with me.

5 years on i'm still trying to convince myself of that.I feel that i'm supposed to use the love i feel for him to better myself but i'm afraid,so deeply afraid that if i do,i'll never get over him.So i run,internally while simultaneously trying to find a reason to stay.Hence the whole wanting to know if he loves me too thing.

You know Leeloo said i was prone to obsessions in relationships and i'll admit something i can spend years thinking about someone but when i do it's only because i want to ..it doesn't feel intrusive or anything and usually i just allow myself to think/feel whatever i want knowing in time it'll be over.

That's where he differs.I'm so deeply afraid if i do what i've always done i'd never get over him.And that IS my biggest fear when it comes to him.Never been able to get over him.
Never been able to love again.Not truly.Not completely.Always loving him when i'm used to being able to detach from people whenever i want to.

That's why i post here on this site.Because i want to get over him NOW or else i might never get over him.Fear drives me to find reasons as to why i love him for if i can figure out why i love him,i can figure out how NOT to love him.

Yet paradoxily i don't want to stop loving him because what i feel for him IS beautiful.I know that.It isn't 'normal' love.It's more than that.It's almost selfless love.And that's beautiful.

posted August 29, 2015 12:27 AM            

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Originally posted by MineAgain:
The "spiritual awakening" almost always starts with pain and energy. The pain is usually a heartache. Your life usually starts collapsing around you : heartbreak, you lose certain friends, start experiencing job issues, financial problems ... Your life is no longer what it once was because everything is destroyed for a better reconstruction.

The energy is a mixed bag of a strong energy from your solar plexus at first.

The spiritual awakening may resemble a "depression" but you are shedding skin here. You start viewing your own behaviors and patterns in a different light. You're detached yet so close to your emotions that you feel things a thousand times stronger than usual.

Your sleep pattern is completely turned upside down and all you think about is the pain, your behavior, your patterns, your life. You put your entire life in perspective, not just regarding your love life. You start analyzing how you treat others, how you treat yourself and how others treat you. Then from there starts a deep progress of death and regeneration. The process is filled with pain, resentment, sadness and anger. You start looking at the traumatic events you went through and analyze why and how you went through those. Old events/heartaches/trauma that may have been buried come to the surface.

If you had strong religious beliefs, you start questioning them. It is all about questioning your current habits in order to keep the good and remove the bad.

By the end of the process, you find yourself in alignment with who you're supposed to be. The energy shifts from the solar plexus to the heart chakra and the pain disappears. Even if someone hurt you deeply in the past, you forgive them and see the good in what happened. Your feelings are more stable and you learn to love everyone regardless of their features or behavior. You end up seeing the good in everything even the bad situations and circumstances.

The energy usually gets balances when it reaches your heart chakra. When your heart chakra burst open, you will a love for everyone and anyone. It may seem as though you're in a high for two or three days then it calms down. The energy is stabilized and the push/pull lessens so does the energy.

If you had major anger issues or depression, it tends to push you to look at the root of your issues to correct your patterns. By the end of the process you'll end up in a more emotionally stable mindset because you will have removed the blocks you were holding on to.

The awakening is a gradual process. It does not happen overnight. It can even take two years to fully reach its culmination. During that time, you tend to isolate yourself from others to unconsciously work on yourself. You question everything. You temporarily lose interest in extroverted activities you used to love.

It is a long process.

You have waves of emotions coming through from anger to sadness to happiness. It is a mixed bag. You don't always know why you're feeling what you're feeling.

The "butterflies" you feel are not the spiritual awakening. They are just part of the energy.

You also start taking care of yourself, turn to prayers and angel more often, and experience strange synchronicities and vivid dreams. You have a sudden psychic ability which you had never experienced before. The dreams feel so real and can sometimes manifest into reality. You can also experience weight change.

It can sometimes get you physically sick to the point where you always feel tired, don't want to go out ... stay at home. Isolation is inevitable because your sensitivity is heightened and you don't feel like being other people. You're no longer the person you once was. This behavior does not resemble who you usually are but it forces you to look inside yourself so you can grow.

I could go on and on about this but it would be too long.

By the end of the process, you'll feel that you are a more stable person because you will have looked at yourself in a very raw light and overcome your self-sabotaging ways.

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posted August 30, 2015 10:08 AM            

I've always felt that i've hurt him in a past life-that i choose my family over him,more specifically i choose fear over love and went with my family's decision because i was afraid.And that i never got over him.

Which if i think about it is two of my biggest fears when it comes to him-one is that i'll never get over him and two is that my family would disapprove of him and i'd have to let him go because of that even though nothing in my life has happen to suggest that this could happen.

So,you see if he's not my twin flame,if he's just another soulmate,albeit a powerful one i'd eventually get over him when i do meet my twin flame you see?And all these 'signs' i'd chalk it up to signs of the universe making me aware that there's someone else out there who would make me feel even more than he did and i'd be over him then.

Because if he's the one,if he's the ultimate one ie my twin flame,then i'm pretty much screwed but even as i type this out i have this feeling that i'm not screwed.I don't know why i just do.Either because i feel that he does love me too or because i know he isn't my twin flame.Only time will tell.

posted September 01, 2015 10:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
That's a good way to look at it (And it's pretty similar to how I feel). No pressure, no worries, just letting it be.

I hope it works out. (I know it will!)

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posted September 04, 2015 02:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
It's tough knowing the distinction.

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