posted November 07, 2015 01:23 AM            

In conjunction with my more specific thread that's a work in progress, chronicling my own experiences, I hope that this will allow an honest debate and thorough discourse of this experience, via the accounts of many who can share their own, and through a sceptical lens.

Let's begin.

Who has something which they'd like to contribute? How did you come upon the phenomenon in the first place? Was it out of curiosity, or is there a particular relationship or individual which prompted you to begin researching? Did you go immediately to the subject of twin flames, or had you arrived there through a more circuitous soulmate-related article or body of research?

Are these experiences you find truly incredible and beyond belief? Or are they of the more 'common' domains of psychic phenomena -- such as telepathy, precognition, and synchronicity?

And, lastly, if you believe that you are a twin flame -- what's led you to this conclusion?

posted November 09, 2015 04:37 PM            

As for my contacts in life, I have a few permanent candles that will never extinguish (Aubyanne, KD, my mom, and probably JV too - and my baby girl whom I miss terribly, and hope to reunite with soon). No amount of time or unique experience will sever these ties. Twin flame? No one can say.

I think my first introduction to the terminology came from Aubyanne, actually. Prior to that, it's always been just relative to this, or relative to that.

I believe it was first as a teen when I developed the concept for one of my stories about retro-grade incarnation, and "falling in love with oneself" (you may remember it Aubyanne, but if not, I can quickly synopsize to you via text). So it's all old hat to me, these days.

I'm a bit bored and baffled by the need to qualify one's romantic relationships, though. There's not some medal to win or wear. People aren't going to ooh and ahh. And it's certainly not license to give others directives, or a badge of authority that grants a moral high ground or even the right answers. Noblesse oblige is not glamorous in the least.

Mother Teresa is famous for her positive contributions, yet had no notable romantic partners. Does that mean she wasn't a twin flame? She seems more likely than random anons on an astrology forum.

I just feel like the notion, while full of potential to be a legitimate phenomenon, is like an outgrowth of the adolescent need to be Special and Unique. I think the fluttery Perfect Romance needs to be divorced from the idea entirely, because as I understand it, it's much more about actualizing your ultimate positive potential according to your limits, and evolving or growing from that all-in soul effort. You're your own guidepost, your own sounding board, and your own cheerleader - and likely your own obstacle to overcome, too.

posted November 19, 2015 05:41 PM            

There was a guy I met on the streets when I was 15. This is a long story that I don't wish to get into now, unless it turns out to be significant anyway, and I bonded fast with this homeless heroin junkie on the streets who shared a squat (abandoned hotel) with us. As he was wanted by the law, he was in the same boat as us kids (state help and nearly all charities barred to him) so when I got food and the like for my fellow runaways, I made sure he got some as well. He'd die later, but shortly before he unloaded some very painful memories onto me, and wanted me to "learn why evil exists." It was such an intense experience, perhaps approaching Vulcan mind meld intensity, that I was actually having nightmares of being in the Vietnam War long before I was born! (I think these were his memories, the scars on his soul.)

I felt he'd put a piece of his soul in me and I'd work with that until I felt he found his peace or epiphany he was looking for. And then many years later I had reason to believe that I'd been incarnate before, that I knew him in a previous life when he was still young in the early 70s (but I was murdered by a FBI agent shortly after), and also met who'd be my grandmother and mother in that life as well (and my mother had been a wife of mine centuries before). I'm not sure what the difference is between these supposed past life connections and soul mates...but perhaps the reason Pappy and I bonded so easily together despite the vast differences in our age and background (again, no sex, not even a hint of it, at least not to me--and I think he was too broken for that himself anyway), that he and I knew each other from previous lives, and our souls recognized one another.

And what of my cousin? He and I have always been close, and yet our relationship has always been stormy and rocky, and we shine a light into each other's darkness. That sounds like a "twin flame" thing (there is no romance between us, just to be clear). And he's always remembered me from previous lives, and one reason he got me to take shrooms when we were kids was hoping that I'd remember, too. The most surreal is that he (as a guitar player in this life), recalled calling me out of the land of Faery when he was an Irish musician long ago, and he says we've been sharing lives ever since. (And as my BFF pointed out, my granny has always called me "Pixie" or "Pix," and maybe that's because at some level, she recognized me as one...though to be clear here, pixies aren't like Tinkerbell, they're very different, but that's another topic.) If we have this effect, and he has such intense memories (and always has since he was a little boy, as far back as he can remember), then are we twin flames?

And it's said you share the same "energy blueprint," but to me that would be based on astrology.

All in all, I'm confused by this subject...and I'm wondering if many people into it have a limited perspective because they only value (or value the most, by far) "romantic love" rather than all the other kinds of love that also exist...and this belief could actually do more to foster a sense of alienation rather than alleviate it.

And...interesting enough, reading on twin flames, I was also reminded of this scene from Dracula:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRnIDl5N08c

posted November 20, 2015 05:42 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
There was a guy I met on the streets when I was 15. This is a long story that I don't wish to get into now, unless it turns out to be significant anyway

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Uhh, Pixie ... you and I should run our synastry.

posted November 20, 2015 07:02 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
And...interesting enough, reading on twin flames, I was also reminded of this scene from Dracula ... and it pretty much matches...but (not included in that scene I just linked to) he tries to corrupt her and she ends up healing him which includes chopping off his head, all the while sticking to the Twin Flame general description!

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And I'm kinda shocked and relieved to know I'm not the only one thinking of the twin flame phenomenon this way. Or, as I've said almost too many times:

'Right, but what about the ones who killed each other? Or the ones who were -- I dunno. Mass murderers. I mean, where are they?' Because, no, no it's always this beautiful story where everyone's perfect, and it's all ... sunshine and rainbows.

No. NO. Hard choices -- DAMNED hard choices. Dark decisions, TOUGH healing. Ego versus the unconditional nature of love. And yet, the depth of feeling as if you're united like puzzle pieces.

Where are the twin flames with the dark history? Y'know ...

... like that?

I can relate to the overwhelming sense of inexplicable love and even devotion -- especially knowledge that couldn't possibly be known -- but only if it's closer to Coppola's Vlad and Mina than the more faerie-tale depiction. Not quite my tempo.

To that end, I'd always felt something so tragically right about it. That was the sort of 'faerie-tale' I vibed to. It made terrible, logical sense -- and resonated on some deep level. Everything was once lovely, and now it's been shot to hell because she's dead (oops) and he's cursed (literally -- double-oops) and now she's got to do the hard thing to -- ironically -- save him. Quite sure I've been there before. How many times -- that's a good question.

But it's all so sunny now -- and normal. 'The past' took a bit of getting used to, but, eventually, you learn what it's supposed to be teaching you, and to put it where it belongs. You go through the 'relationship and resonance' periods, where things that remind you do so, and you take from them what's meaningful and will allow you to heal what's to be healed, and do what you're here to do.

At least, in my experience.

God, in watching that scene again, I'm almost taken aback. I remember watching it again, for the second time in my life, maybe a year after we'd met. It's been a series of things like that, periodically over time. That one has particular depth, however, for the sheer similarity in terms of 'recall', and what it's REALLY like.

Oh, Mr Coppola -- how did you know?

The one in particular of which I'm thinking is, fortunately, not as dramatic as all that. Even still, it took me quite awhile to finally admit it. As writers, much comes from our imagination, of course -- that's just part and parcel. But much of what I was writing was simply envisioned. At one particular point, I was writing in daily frenzies; it was all so sharply in my head, so clear, and I was delighted how 'authentic' it was, because nothing was based upon or based in anything I'd actually seen. It was all original and unbiased.

... sort of.

The critical details which, now, are completely familiar to me, as they've been 'with me' and part of my novels for 15 years, were completely staggering to him -- being the perfect, bizarre depiction of his childhood room. One which he'd designed, mind, carefully. The house was entirely remodelled, so not 'decorated' -- designed.

I remember the way he became speechless, and recoiled from me for the moment, his eyes wide. Trying to speak for several seconds, though, failing to articulate. 'It's as if you've been there -- that's impossible! You weren't even born!'

Indeed, I wasn't. He's gone on to say that it's remarkable that such a complete facsimile of it was somehow in my head, in 2002, though the house itself had been demolished prior to that in the early '90s. 'The only place it exists is in my mind -- in my memories.' His biggest (rhetorical) question being, 'how is it that you saw what only exists in my memory -- before we had even met?'

posted November 21, 2015 09:39 PM            

He's always leaned psychic, though, I think as a result of a NDE in his youth (though his biological mother was also that way) and his Pisces moon (and made sharper still by a concussion later).

And you might find this of interest, where I seem to be "channeling LL" in my fics (fiction) which starts at the very last post at the bottom and going on to the next page:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum21/HTML/000707.html

posted November 21, 2015 10:28 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
And you might find this of interest, where I seem to be "channeling LL" in my fics (fiction) which starts at the very last post at the bottom and going on to the next page:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum21/HTML/000707.html

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That is interesting -- the fiction itself, actually. Some of my earliest fiction involved futuristic hacktivists, heh. Glad there's such a term now.

posted November 22, 2015 10:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
Uhh, Pixie ... you and I should run our synastry.

For ... reasons.

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Btw, I meant to ask. Were you homeless as a kid and things like that?

(Though just to be clear, I don't mean "raised in an abusive environment yet mostly sheltered from the wider world" as there are many that way online, I mean out on the streets, perhaps locked up in teen gulags, put in special classes for those with "behavioral problems," and things like that.)

posted November 22, 2015 11:31 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Btw, I meant to ask. Were you homeless as a kid and things like that?

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Blessed to have never been on the street while being homeless for a few months after a childhood tragedy: our home burning down.

The things which really vibed with me is your proximity to 'darkness', even accidentally so. Being sought out by the 'ne'er-do-wells', and even the true monsters. Having to face genuine evil -- as well as 'evil' (the misunderstood). And having deeply transformative experiences as a result which have fashioned you something of the shaman. I grok that.

posted December 01, 2015 04:51 PM            

I guess for me, I first became curious about the subject in college after I was introduced to astrology by a Girl who later turned out to be a frequent lover/wife of mine in the ancient past (and not so ancient). And when we first met there was a very overpowering sense of “knowing” each other which really confused the situation for the both of us… that feeling of… “So are we supposed to be together because of all this past history??”

We were definitely too young and stupid to be able to deal with all of that, and the intensity of the whole affair ended up doing the exact opposite and driving us apart anyways… so perhaps that was how it’s supposed to be this time around… we need a “time out” lol…

For a few years afterwards I thought OK… “That’s it then.. I’ve lost my Twinflame/Soulmate…. I’m gonna be alone now, nobody will ever understand me like she did…”?

Wrong…. I ended up meeting many people who I have had just as equally powerful connections with spread through out time, both romantic and non-romantic instances!

But when it comes to the concept of Twinflames… Again I find the labels confusing, because I have adopted the POV that in many ways its about ones own Inner-self… and not so much related to another person accept for the fact that we project this concept onto others so that we can observe our own hidden nature… Pretty much the Jungian Shadow I guess…

^^And perhaps before you can even find a “Twinflame”, its what you must face/conquer to even allow for such a possibility in the first place?

In my own family there are so many Soul Connections I often don’t know where it starts or will ever end, countless events of both tragic and horrible encounters across time... with an equal amount of really wonderful instances mixed in for Good Measure....!

And yet each person within the Group is their own separate instrument playing their own part in the Grand Orchestra that is our lives, and we haven’t got the slightest idea who the conductor is… Yet I guess we all are? Perhaps that’s what makes it the most interesting, that at different times someone else will take lead and steer our song in a different direction… sometimes to a rising crescendo of pure joy, while later dragged down to the abyss of despair and yet somehow… despite even the worst **** imaginable… (Such as my current Father having brutally Murdered me as a child in Nazi Germany/(Occupied Austria)…

That these Soul connections for better or worse (I would say over all in the Grand-Schema that is the Universe it’s ultimately for the better) always find a way to bring us back together and present each of us with opportunities to always right the wrongs if we are brave enough to face them, and face ourselves… our “Twin Selves (Innerself)”.

Though speaking specifically about the more traditional and Romantic kind of connections people associate with this type of Esoterica, Yea… they can also be wonderful, and it is indeed very often that its those connections a person will first encounter and class as Soul-Mates… but its SO much bigger than that! Like I said… I was sure I had lost my Twinflame, but life is full of amazing surprises and I feel like I’m finding new Soul Mates here there… and everywhere… and maybe that’s it you know… The reality is we are all each others Soulmates or atleast have that potentiality?

If time is Infinite, what’s stopping us all from becoming each others best friends, for wouldn’t that be quite the Orchestral Symphony of the Night?

Its funny to me… the people I have hated the most, without them, I’d never have become who I am now, and when observed over vast amounts of time I see that it was never about hate between us, we were just playing games with one another… taking turns being the “Bad Guy”, and that’s the hardest part to play from what I have observed… the lonely Bass Drum in the distant Abyss, keeping us all in time and playing our own parts to perfection… But it’s not a Lone Bass Thud… it’s a Heart Beat, sometimes we forget that… because for every Lub… there is a Twin Dub (Giggle).

I remember people used to tell me… (Even that old “Twinflame” of mine)

“That I am a person who will forever March to the Sound of my own Strange and Subsonic Music”

And in a way that’s true (on the surface perhaps), and maybe even for a long time I genuinely felt I couldn’t be any more alone… (Walking down that “Boulevard of Broken Dreams”) that I was maybe the loneliest Soul in the Universe…? And so looking back to darker days I am almost embarrassed at such juvenile thoughts…

When the reality is… I’m surrounded by people who have been marching along side me for Millennia, that the Grand Orchestra is not… or never was limited to only a few Musicians playing lonely tunes on the cold corners of empty sidewalks in hopes that their song, will somehow by Magic attract that “Special Someone”…? Heck… If anything, I CAN’T stop attracting Soul Mates into my life as I’m getting older…

How many Cellos can an Orchestra have… how many Violins… Flutes… Cymbals… Drums… Strings… and Guitars…?? Its never about any “One” Special connection… its about stepping back for a moment and observing the Awesome Beauty of everyone in your Soul Group/Band just playing their part and learning to appreciate it… and if someone’s individual sound in the song Im hearing starts becoming completely out of tune… then maybe they will sound better in a different Band with Connections more suited to what they want to play currently… happens all the time… The Concert rolls on, the Grand Stage does indeed rotate on occasions lol…

I would say though… That a person you find, who has somehow found a way to take that “Step Back” with you? A person, who is outside of yourself and yet truly sees YOU, sees the greatest show ever performed as you likewise observe theirs… That’s rare, as such requires a view of the Universe that goes beyond concepts of Romantic Love or even just Soul Mate connections… Because that which appreciates the vastness of the Symphony of our lives… is surely the Conductor and the Audience we all have been playing for this whole time…?

::Taps Conductors Baton/Wand…:::
Yet this Universe ain’t seen nothing yet… LOL!

(Because in my Orchestra I’ve got Cthulhu Playing the Abyssal Pipes, Azathoth Beating a Big Bad Base Drum… (With a Thousand Tentacles) and you don’t even want to know who I have coaxed into playing the Organ…)

I feel at times we all tend to get caught up in whatever we are doing/playing at any one instance and think that maybe that’s all there is? That Sad Violin and the One Beside you lol…?

^^Ahh if I only had a penny for every time I thought such was the case, not only would I be a Rich Man… but I’d probably die laughing at how wrong I have always been… Sigh, yet perhaps my great tragedy these days is that I find myself in the position of that which knows too damn much, leaving me to switch between waving my Baton/Wand and sitting in the Audience…

Who knows… I might get back in the game in futures past as I’ve always fancied myself a Drummer…? And I don’t want Azathoth thinking he is the only one capable of smashing out a decent Rhythm that itches of pure Chaos…. Because it isn’t just Chaos, Music is pattern based, logical even… but it’s the tiny human nuances that when added to that system creates truly Great “Soul” stirring Music!

[Shakes Head] No surprise then… that my Mom often said she stupidly fell in-Love with my Dad because he was in a Band and a God on Guitar… (What she didn’t realize (at that time), is that they have been pulling on each others heart strings for century’s lol). They are “Twinflames” for sure… as it has always being a firestorm between them with the closest people in proximity often dying of smoke inhalation… or been burnt to a crisp midst their carnage…

Yea, watch out for those types of “Twinflames” in your life, you can recognize them by just how much Chaos/Destruction is left in their wake lol…

If anything, Im trying to AVOID a Twinflame not fraking find one LOL! Cause they will surely be OUT of this world Insane… though brilliant just the same in a likely Macabre kinda way :p

(::Hums::…
Theeeeeyyyyyy will Reeeeturrrrrrnnnn….??)