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lechien
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posted June 26, 2011 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
littlecloud, thanks, especially for that little derailment on my Venus…

i'm glad i don't have to be a singular leader...!! that sounds stressful to be like a dictator. the way you explain how my leadership should be, i recall i was very much like that as a child.

ok, i hope i'm not taking up your time too much by asking so many questions. i'm in no rush so i don't want to pressure you.

could you see why i don't act? i mean, i know i can be lazy with all that Jupiter influencing my chart, but there is something else to it beside the laziness.

i have ideas. they may not be perfect or complete, but they are ideas that can be propelled into something greater than just fleeting thoughts. but i don't do them. i don't go reach out to the potential.

part of it of course is what you guessed right. i grew up with a BPD mother and i did not develop the sense of self until much much older. i'm only starting to discover that i'm free. so it makes sense throughout that i see no importance in my opinions etc. i was taught that it means nothing. anyway i'm working on overcoming that.

part of me strongly feels that i am a person of action. but i have blocks. i'm the opposite of action. i feel that i'm not supposed to be this way. i want to really grab it and own it, instead of having glimpses of abstract ideas, so that i can really overcome it. until i can do that, i'm not living my life. and probably until i can do that, i'm not getting out of the current rut and also living up to my leadership, either. what's holding me back so persistently? is it in the natal, or just a really long transit? how can i nurture other positive aspects that can push that aside and help me evolve as a person of action?


also, what do you think about my Kite formation? so the tip of it IS that Pluto/NN. is it possible to explain it to me so that i can understand it in a less abstract way? i think i kind of almost got it, because you explained the importance of my Venus and Neptune aiding my Pluto/NN action. but how is the moon at SN and Mars come into play in the Kite?


i'm really thankful of your insights!! i feel like… i'm at something. i feel like something is poking its head out from within, it's like the new tooth pushing out the old. it's itchy and hurts and gross and uncomfortable…! i want it to just come out quickly already!! but i have to keep it clean and healthy so it grows out straight, you know? i'm brainstorming like crazy…

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posted June 30, 2011 06:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bumping, cuz i'm still curious.

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posted July 03, 2011 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry I haven't been on LL in a while. Sometimes I need an teenie break from astrology. My head starts spinning after a while and I can't think straight and therefore I care less with leads to some crappy readings....Moving on....

Well the SN is/like our past life experiences and lessons that we have already learned. These things come easy to us. Which is why the NN is our souls path in this life, and what lessons and things we must accomplish NOW. Having your moon fall on that opposition, (conjuncting the SN) is setting your emotional level, reaction, comfort, your inner psyche at your past life lessons. It's like this safety net that your moon (inner self) is at and when you attempt to strive to your NN your inner core is rattled, rather hard. Ultimately though it would be a complete inner transformation because of your Pluto. It's like your Pluto is standing on the outskirts and sees the transformation that is possible and needed and your moon is on the inside all comfortable and settled in, it sees no interest in venturing out to leave all that it knows but your Pluto pulls on it. It pulls on the Moon (the opposition) to come out into the world and do what your Soul needs to do.

I see this as the 'thing holding you back' along with your Saturn position. (if you want me to get into that let me know.) Transiting Saturn in the 11th Conjuncting your Pluto/NN conjuncts is showing you that now is the perfect time to restructure this part of your life. It's your karma to do it now (Saturn being the planet of karma). You don't have Jupiter trines so I don't see laziness as being a big issue (where Jupiter is concerned). However it does play a role being your chart ruler and all but his is more from the aspects it makes and in the house it's in.

Your first house ruler is Jupiter and your seventh is Mercury, which are in opposition. This sort of creates a tension within you to begin with. To make things more interesting your 7th house ruler is in your first house and your first house ruler is in your 7th. Would I be correct in saying that there some difficulty in communication in your relationships (not just love, all relationships). You look for your own self in others, which you like but can turn you off a bit after a while. I want to say that there is struggle with who you are and who you want to be, but I'm not sure if it fits here or if it's even correct. It just sort of popped into my head.

Let me know what you think/feel with what I've said, if you understood it.

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posted July 03, 2011 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oooooh, so i've been blaming my Jupiter unjustly all this time. anyway i think that i have the tendency to feel guilty for what i'm not responsible for, thanks to my upbringing. so i have noticed that from time to time, i blame my "laziness" when it's actually not laziness at all. i really have to pay attention to myself and stop it, because i so don't need it.

and YES i really would love to know more about my Saturn… could you tell me? it's at the top of my chart, at the critical degree of Virgo, in the 9th. it must have a big influence on me, no? i know i'm fiery, i'm very Sagittarius and Jupiterian, but as you can see from what i've explained already, i have a difficult time understanding and coping with what's not. and often these "what's not" are the things i have to understand, because they may appear as obstacles or mysteries and i feel at loss.

oh i'm REEEALLY glad you explained my NN/SN, Pluto/Moon dynamic… and i am so psyched to learn that NOW is the time for me to transform!!! it must be so much fun, to shed the old and grow into the new but more real self. i really feel that this IS happening, NOW, although slow and maybe even vague. i AM entering a new era of my life. it's so important for me. it's as if i've known this would someday happen all along, just didn't know when and what exactly…

about my Jupiter/ Mercury, yes they have a funny relationship. i've noticed it too and i consciously feel it, strongly. in fact this must be the strongest felt aspect in my entire chart consciously. i've always identified myself with the concept of contradictions within self. i struggled with it all my life, and when i was younger i was much more muddled and frustrated. and with the relationships with others, i've always struggled to find a place to belong. i would hang out with a group of people, and try to somehow belong, but i always kind of only managed to stand at the margin and i would consume myself trying to be what i think i am -only to find out in the end that i was nothing like that. the struggle with my identity has been the theme of my life. not exactly because i didn't know what i was, but because i could not identify myself within others. meaning, i could not find like-minded people. as i said before, even now it's only my current partner who i feel that i stand on the same line, level, etc. seemingly it's important for me to see in others what i have also.

you've really helped me understand my chart!! this is really exciting. if you don't mind, i would love to know more about what my Saturn is doing there. thanks sooooo much!!

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posted July 08, 2011 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i want to let you know, who are concerned, that yesterday i successfully renewed my visa, one more year.

the lady did not like my papers and made a very difficult time, but in the end me and my partner were able to convince her. it was nerve-wrecking, but we walked out victorious!

by this year i could have been able to have a renewal for longer than just one year, but with all the obstacles last year, i did very poorly on making any improvements. but i am so grateful that i have one more year to work on my projects WITHOUT any stupid interferences and people taking from and using me, they can stay away now. i so deserve another chance, and secretly i do hope the ones who benefited from me would see their consequences. but that's not my job to care!

and i did something wonderful. to deflect myself from the stress of the immigration meeting, i planned a trip to the zoo on the way home from the immigration office. we have a really great zoo in our city and i've never been there, because it's expensive. but i thought, what do i care, when i got to celebrate, i'm not caring! so when we had the visa renewed, we went straight there and spent 8 hours looking at fish and animals, and just enjoying life. we did not have something like this forever. seriously i could not stop smiling all day! the weather was fantastic with perfect temperature and we stayed there till pretty late, so we could interact with the animals more intimately when everyone else had left. on the way back, we spontaneously stopped at a Greek restaurant and stuffed ourselves, then we came home and sat in front on the street and had a glass of wine.

it was the most amazing day. so free and completely liberating! i'm so happy i could explode!

thank you so much for all your support. thank you for encouraging me and helping me in all sorts of ways. i know this is only the beginning and i have loads of work to do, to make it this year. when i do well this year and if they approve next year's visa renewal, it raises the possibility of my obtaining a permanent residence permit the following year. i'm so blessed, and i intend not to waste that!!

thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!

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posted July 08, 2011 09:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lechien
I am SO happy for you!!!

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posted July 08, 2011 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh i could cry with happiness, Ami. you guys helped me out so much! i have been so encouraged by Lindaland in this thread and others numerous times. i could not imagine myself here a few months ago. i can make positive changes, and i set out now to make it better and better!!!

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posted July 10, 2011 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Basically Saturn in the 9th limits your 'big' ideas (ie goals, hopes, or any sort of idea involving the future/your future in a big way, like how you plan to spend your adult life) via your parents. They basically hinder your ideas saying that's it's not possible, or that it's too hard and you can't do it. There is also limit to your higher education. You may feel discouraged from going on possibly and mainly due to finances. You may not have enough money to go to uni and will therefore have to wait. Or through the wonderful influence of your parents, will be unsure about what you want to do because everything you like/love is impossible but you can't pull yourself together enough to do anything else. So you go back and forth, change your mind and therefore delay finishing your education.

In a nutshell.

Congrats on your extension

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posted July 10, 2011 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for COCO84     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really hope things work out ok for you, must be difficult but can only make you stronger! sending some hope and love!

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posted July 10, 2011 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lechien:
oh i could cry with happiness, Ami. you guys helped me out so much! i have been so encouraged by Lindaland in this thread and others numerous times. i could not imagine myself here a few months ago. i can make positive changes, and i set out now to make it better and better!!!

Aww Lechien

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posted July 12, 2011 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you guys!!

littlecloud, that sounds very right on. i have had repeated blocks in my pursuit of education. i always felt there were obstacles... i could not study where i truly wanted, although i graduated from a very reputed university, which i should be very proud of. i was prevented to study what i wanted, because of really lame reasons. also i was left completely confused of what i actually wanted to study, so i ended up studying art, but in truth i think i wanted to study history/philosophy/anthropology... but where i had to grow up because of the relocation due to my mother's re-marriage, people there did not even have the CONCEPT of a such subject!!! so this sort of "obstacles" that i just cannot really do anything about seem to be the theme.

is it something "breakable" though? i don't want to be "limited" all my life! my Saturn receives pretty easy aspects overall. does that help?

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posted July 22, 2011 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes the nice aspects to Saturn definitely help. Especially that Sun/Saturn one. You understand that you cannot start at the top and therefore you work hard to get there. You aren't scared of the responsibility and probably get along fairly easily with authority which helps you as an employee. I think it might be your own self criticism that you will have to work hard to overcome, and yes it might take a lifetime. The lessons don't end. Once we learn one thing we go on to learn the next and the next using what we have already learned to help us with the next obstacle. It's about using the past in a forward manner. If you repeat mistakes then somewhere somehow you didn't learn what you were supposed to and you won't/can't move forward until you do.

I think if you keep that in mind you'll fair just fine

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posted July 22, 2011 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'll keep that in mind through my life's journey. funny though, i have only a few times been employed, but they either love me or hate me. the ones that loved me liked my creativity and the quality of work i produced. the ones that hated me thought i was too independent and not obeying them right. well, it's understandable though because the bad ones were waitress jobs. i'm really better off sticking with creative jobs.

littlecloud, you really helped me understand my chart much much better. thanks so much!

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posted July 26, 2011 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
no problem. I hope all goes well with you

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posted July 27, 2011 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Lechien
Just saying Hello
How is your website doing

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posted July 30, 2011 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Lechien, I am very happy for you. it is a wonderful news. very great. I wish you the best for the years to come. really great. very happy for you.

congratulations.
http://www.youtube.com/user/crazedadman#p/u/2/y4-IPj40ut0

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posted July 30, 2011 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami! sorry i wasn't ignoring you. i started the major investment of my life, which is probably not that extravagant as an "investment" sounds, but to me it's the biggest one ever! i'm buying the tools and materials for jewellery making. i don't know where to sell yet (other than online market places), but i have to start somewhere and i don't want to have any regrets. so when i build my first collection, i'll upload to an online market place and then do an update on my website too. i'm wondering if i should do a blog too...

and how's your site coming along? all good i hope!!!

and thanks littlecloud!

pire, thank you, that video is SO SWEET i love it!! i was smiling through it, what a sweet idea!!

i'll post here when my jewellery collection is finished and i put them up online. i need to tackle every direction to advertise! oh i'm scared, but i won't pay attention to my fear and just create create create, for now.

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posted August 07, 2011 07:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm just going to post here, since it's not about astrology and i don't want to start a new thread about it… ideally i need someone to talk to, but i don't have a proper friend, except my guy, who does understand and know the problems, because he basically experienced a similar thing as i did.

i'm hoping maybe Ami can give me a few pointers too, since she seems to be managing great with hers.

well, growing up in a secluded environment with a Borderline mother has ruined me. it's a miracle that i'm here now, with the knowledge of her illness, and my biological father's current limited but sure support. i've forgiven her, i understand now, and i've come in terms of many things, and i am absolutely ready to take back my life. but i'm still paralysed.

i have so much fear. i cannot list all of it. i'm irrationally afraid of rejections, i'm afraid of failing, i'm afraid of people. but if you've seen my chart, i'm all (ok, not all, but…) Fire, i'm Sagittarius, Jupitarian, i must be free and courageous and just want to live like there's no other life. i REMEMBER my explosive desires, curiosity and pursuit of freedom and independence, i was always in trouble because it was not "lady-like" to the community standard. i was confident and fearless like no other kids were. over the course of time people have told me that all children are like that and they just change as they grow older, and that is just my case too, but it's NOT true!!! i'm trapped inside, my beautiful true self is screaming and hurting every moment of my life. i'm NOT myself! this isn't my life, it's the life my mother wants to put me in.

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posted August 07, 2011 07:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
3-4 months ago, a few people including a friend's therapist recommended me to use Tapping (EFT) to aid removing traumas and blocks. it has done great things to me and i am much more at ease and i'm at a better place. also i understand that a few months may be too short to have drastic changes, but sometimes, like today, i just get defeated by the whole life of conditioning that i am a valueless burden to the rest of the world.

last 2-3 years of nightmare experience with the people cornered me further. i used to at least be social and outgoing, despite my insecurities and perpetual lonely feeling, and occasional withdrawals being overwhelmed by fears. but now i hate people and i never want to go out. i feel guilty to go out. i feel guilty because i know i am going to enjoy walking outside and feel free. i'm also fearful of calling to find a new place to live, because i just have this indescribable conviction that no one would ever take me as a tenant, because i just don't live up to the standard of the other people who are more complete as human than someone like me.

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posted August 07, 2011 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I understand Darling
You have PTSD from your mother

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posted August 07, 2011 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and the fact is that i DON'T believe in ANY of that crapp!! i am NOT like that, i KNOW it!! but i'm CONDITIONED to accept myself as that! like Pavlov's dog.

it's getting long so i cut it short. i'm trapped. it's like there are 2 of me, split in half. one is looking down into this dark damp hole, where is the other half, clueless of how to get her out of there.

i'm scared because i expect people would judge me, so i fail to do things like looking for a new flat. when i fail, i am ashamed and fear that people judge me for not being able to be independent. then i just get disappointed in myself that i just cannot bring myself to do the impels things everyone can do. it's a viscous cycle and i feel trapped. i want to have my life in my hands. i want to be independent and have control over my life. like a real Sagittarius i want to adventure and live the life, which i know i can, because i've done so under a lot of restrictions throughout my life, which brought me where i am now, far away from "home", with a partner with the same experience, i've travelled and learnt a lot, which would have been impossible if my true self wasn't the brave Sagi trapped by a Borderline mother.

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posted August 07, 2011 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami, i was still typing. you were quick!!

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posted August 07, 2011 07:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
have you done/gone through something special to overcome your PTSD? i understand that you help people with open heart and it helps you, but that s not exactly what i should or can be doing, at least at this moment in time.

i am also disappointed that i cannot do that. i love sharing life with others. but at the moment, due to the negative experiences with people i am in refusal to share anything with anyone, which must go away soon... it isn't me.

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posted August 07, 2011 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Darling
I have to get off this thing
I am a work in progress with no real answers other than to try to feel my way through
The PTSD is a bummer--BAD
I have it too
It is prolly your core problem

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posted August 07, 2011 07:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
aw Ami it relieves me that someone understands... sometimes i feel panicky because i get overwhelmed by the idea that i am judged. you don't judge me. because you know.

i must remind myself one step a day... you made it to launch your website. i'm going to work on my project and i should not worry about other things for now. i must not lose myself in the big picture.

i look up to you Ami. i think you're very brave, and have a golden heart.

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