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crabbypatty
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posted June 05, 2011 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for crabbypatty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Ami, this is the gentleman we were discussing. You thought it had to be something more than just the Libra Mars.

Thank you for taking a crack at it.

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posted June 05, 2011 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LONG LEGS ROLFL

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posted June 05, 2011 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for crabbypatty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
he has a nickname for himself that is very similar to that, don't laugh!

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posted June 05, 2011 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Man Crabby
I NEEDED a good laugh

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posted June 06, 2011 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It expired Darling -----not him

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posted June 06, 2011 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for crabbypatty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Sorry bout that, Ami!

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Ami Anne
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posted June 06, 2011 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Crabby---a least you know HOW to post charts

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posted June 07, 2011 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun conjunct ASC goes against being a wimpy guy. Unless, we are seeing the outer him which can APPEAR strong and bold but is not in the inner man.
I do yoga and meditate on the charts.I will be back Crabby

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posted June 07, 2011 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chiron in the 12th in Cap. Chiron conjunct the ASC.
Hmm-a hard Chiron for sure

His deep pain, the deepest pain which can never heal is buried in the house of suppression.
There is one clue Darling.
He is carrying a heavy suitcase filled with pain.
Also, it is on his ASC so he WEARS it,perhaps in such a way that he cannot hide it even if he wanted .
I know this fits from things you have said so I did not see it independent from knowing it

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posted June 07, 2011 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He Has Merc in the 12th in Sag. This modes poorly for his communication.
Sag is in its Detriment. The 12th house suppresses Mercury.

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posted June 07, 2011 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn conjunct the MC--Ouch
Saturn is the planet/way he relates to the world.
He feels very boxed in, restricted ,reserved.
He has low self esteem in the world,perhaps.

This placement makes me cring even thinking about it.
It seems worse than conjunct the ASC.

What do you think Darling?
Talk to me about his Saturn and how you see it play out?

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posted June 07, 2011 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun square Mars in Cardinal signs could be a factor in wimpiness but just a factor.
We have not gotten to the bottom yet

This could make his self esteem tied up in a square so not out there for his personal use.
The square could tie up his self esteem and his drive in a loop.

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posted June 07, 2011 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK Sun square Saturn---again an erosion/dampening of his sense of self

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posted June 07, 2011 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for crabbypatty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awwwww, Ami, now I feel even more sorry for him than I did before. Yes, a lot of emotional pain in his life and he wears it on his sleeve.

He lost Dad at age 16 (to cancer), Mom when he was in his early 30's (to cancer), and his only brother in 2001 (to cancer). He feels alone in the world and is afraid he will die young (of cancer).

He says that any time he has had any fun in his life, something bad has happened (either as a result, or during the fun, stopping it from continuing.)


He feels nobody (ex-wife, children, co-workers) appreciates him. I think they do, but they cannot stand to be around his negativity for too long. It is draining.

Me thinks you are spot on.

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posted June 07, 2011 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not done Crabby
Don't feel guilty

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posted June 07, 2011 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 07, 2011 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok Down with the fun--on to more work

He has Mercury trine Pluto which would make him a powerful speaker which I assume he is--persausive
Is that true?

WHAT does Neptune conjunct Mars do? Is that a liar?
WAIT--- Crabby I think we found our man here.
This may be the issue in the wimp thing.

This may make his life drive impotent.
I need help with this aspect.
I will do a thread in Astro 2


He has NN is 2nd so he needs to find success in the material world and that would include self esteem.
The 2nd house is the earth's goods and stewardship/ownership of them.

It is interesting that self esteem,stewardship of ourselves would be there.

Hmmm--I just taught myself a lesson lol

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posted June 07, 2011 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Moon is in 6th house of service... this would have a very important role in personality... very "service" oriented, very servitude like with emotions...

Coupled with the Mars/Neptune conjunction, the drive would be stifled... which is one big possibility with that aspect in the natal chart.

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posted June 07, 2011 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Having Saturn in 9th with Mars + Neptune (in Libra) with Venus in 11th... would mean a guy who perhaps doesn't think for himself enough (higher mindedly) and goes around with the crowd...

Wish-washy... whatever everyone else does, kind of guy.

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posted June 07, 2011 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for crabbypatty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami, I could write volumes about how this man is obsessed with owning what he considers luxury items like cars and pens and guitars... not that he always acts on it - the Capricorn restraint eventually kicks in. But... he has a tendency to get everybody all upset if there is a scratch in the car or a dent in the coffee table... forgetting that people are more important than objects. He has spent an inordinate amount of time going back to the store to return an item because the seams are imperfect or there is some minor defect only perceived by him. But yes, once again, you are correct.... I think he measures his success by what objects he surrounds himself with. Very unfortunate.

There is NOBODY more persuasive than him; he can get a store with an absolutely no returns policy to make an exception for him only; he can talk any lawyer who opposes him into a settlement (when he handles a case). That is part of what I found fascinating about him initially; super smart and gift of gab.

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posted June 07, 2011 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for crabbypatty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When I talk about wimpiness, I mean the way he comes across physically AND his passive aggressive tendencies. He will pout and put on a "poor me" routine much more often than is attractive to most women.

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posted June 07, 2011 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn + the Mars/Neptune conjunction SQUARES the Sun in 1st...

Another thing to mention...

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posted June 07, 2011 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
much more often than is attractive to most women.[/B]

How much IS attractive to woman?

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
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He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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posted June 07, 2011 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for crabbypatty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know, Ami, I'm thinking some women can tolerate more than others. I, as a true Scorpio, cannot be around weakness of character (in a man) for too long without getting very grumpy and wanting to strangle the man. But my Cancer moon prevents me from the act of strangling. It's very frustrating. I am in limbo.

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