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Hera
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posted August 20, 2011 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello, guys...

No news from him. He continues to ignore me. I'm in a weird frame of mind. It has crossed my mind that yeah, Mercury is retrograde. If there was ever a time when test results get mixed up, this would be it...

But I have to go with my gut feeling here. My gut feelings are:

1. He is a good guy. It is what I felt when I met him for the first time. I had this overwhelming, but peaceful, flow of affection for him at first sight. And I just knew he was *right* for me somehow, that this experience is something I should go through, if this makes sense.
For this feeling, I didn't walk away when things got bad. We had many arguments, because we're both very stubborn and proud people and for a while nobody moved an inch. Eventually I realized nothing would come of it if I don't back down, so I did, even if it's not in my nature. After that, he started to back down too. We're both the type of people who had a rough life, who struggled to get anything, this was something that united us.

2. The mutual affection between us is real. Even astrologically, exact Sun-Moon conjunction. And more.

3. I also felt danger... At some point he gave an ultimatum. It's a long story, but here are the basics. He's a very sexual person and has high demands. In the past, his ex girlfriends used sex to manipulate and dominate him and ended up cheating on him. I have a history of abuse and I lived with the fear of incest in my childhood. I have all the symptoms for child sexual abuse, even though one never actually took place. It is something that I realized recently, during psychotherapy, because most of those memories were blocked, some still are, I think. But I started having vivid nightmares about this after I begun psychotherapy. So, naturally, there was some resistance on my part regarding his demanding sexual nature. He gave me an ultimatum, which caused a huge fight that nearly ended things. I don't know whether is was insight or self-delusion, but I felt his ultimatum is a sign of fear that his feelings for me became too strong and he was panicky. A part of him wanted me to reject him because he couldn't do it himself. So we made peace after that, I explained my side of the story and said let's just see how things go... Nothing physical happened between us, except hugs and kisses. The confusing part is that I have always felt very safe in his presence, like he would never harm me consciously. But the way he behaved sometimes made me doubt that.

4. Regarding his illness, something felt weird from the beginning. Something felt fake. Maybe it's because he didn't give me any details, even though I am a doctor and could have helped him or advised him. He said the tests took 3 weeks (perplexing... why in God's name did they took this long? With a CT scan, the diagnosis is accurate and simple and given on the spot. All my medical experience said this is bogus), even though this begun as a routine check-up for work. He said the diagnosis was "a haematoma in the head" and the doctor said he had it for *years*... But that's just ridiculous. Because if a haematoma is big, he would have had symptoms, like vision or balance problems, seizures etc (he said he had none), and if it's small, it wouldn't have been an issue and require surgery, not to mention it wouldn't have stayed there for *years*, it would have been cleared by now. So the whole diagnosis and how they arrived to it was just perplexing, especially since he said he went to a private clinic. I might expect some incompetence in public hospitals, but not in private clinics. Also, he said he has seen 3 doctors and they all confirmed the diagnosis. And now it was a mistake??? 3 doctors made the same mistake???? None of them looked at the NAME of the films??? COME ON!!!!!!!!!
The story seemed off from the beginning, but I thought it was because of my lack of information and the empathy I felt for him was too strong. He seemed genuine when he told me. But maybe I'm just too naive. It did cross my mind for a second or two that this is a lie or a joke and I thought this yesterday (gut feeling): If he's gonna say this was a mistake, this was clearly a lie from the beginning. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So now I just don't know what to think. There is conflict between what I felt and what I thought. A part of me loves him unconditionally and purely, the other part is just disgusted and offended...
He said he will contact me next week to show me the test results. I doubt he will, but hope he does...

I felt so badly today... so disappointed... In the last couple of years I've had only bad luck with men. Every time I like somebody, something always happens to block me. Sometimes I feel I will remain alone all my life...

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posted August 20, 2011 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Geocosmic* Valentine:
If his Ascendant is anywhere between where you rectified it and the recommendation that I made, then I stand by what I originally said about his chart, but if the timing is off any more than that, then too much changes and I wouldn't be able to tell you, I wouldn't even try.

My only suggestion is to think about the quality of person he was before this whole scenario began. Are you ordinarily able to trust the men who have been in your life? Did he seem like a quality person in your eyes? If he did, then consider that he might be going through severe psychological changes right now and this could be the denial portion.

In terms lying and how it looks in a chart and why people do it, remember that on a psychological level it is a form of self defense, whether he's defending his own mind from thoughts of his illness or whether he's decided he feels he needs to protect you from the feelings he thinks he may have caused you with his condition. There's so much more to all of this than simple surface reaction.

The fact that he keeps so much hidden (8th House Moon) is a huge indicator that you may always have difficulty getting information out of him. The Neptune-Mercury conjunction also helps to confuse communication whether suggesting lies or unclear communication.

I just suggest using your common sense. Even though he may be terminally ill, he's still a person, treat him like a person NOT a "dying" person.


Geo, I don't know anymore... I don't know what to believe. His chart seemed consistent with what I knew about him, so I had no reason to doubt it. I feel he told me the truth about his birth details. He seemed genuine, very honest and open about everything and I felt I could trust him, but obviously not 100%...
I admit I have trust issues. I find it hard to trust people, especially if they're recent in my life. Capricorn Asc, square Saturn-Pluto. I don't know if he's a liar or I'm just paranoid.
It has crossed my mind that if something is wrong with his brain, it might explain his weird behaviour. But he says everything is fine now, the diagnosis was a mistake.
I don't know if this was denial. I know that my pain was real, that much I can confirm. And a part of me doesn't want to make up excuses for him anymore. Haven't *I* been through enough? How much more understanding can I have for him, without anything to back it up?

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posted August 20, 2011 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where is your and his Dejaneria Asteroids. IF you were abused as a child you are drawn to the Nessus/deja relationship cuz it feels like home cuz it is home
If both people are super mature I think a Nessus/Deja relationship could work and very well.
However, the maturity would have to be there imo
I am not good interpreting the DSC.What does it mean when he puts something on your DSC.
Please explain the dynamics .
Thank you!

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posted August 20, 2011 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you feel you were abused sexually you prolly were ime
I repressed the memory totally until a few years ago when it came out spontaneously as a movie playing in my head with every detail

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posted August 20, 2011 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LEXX:
Hera{{{hugs}}}
Something senses off here.
Until you see the actual test results you cannot be sure of the truth or untruth of his situation.
Either way, his reluctance to talk with a fellow doctor/surgeon seems strange to me.
He may have made it up.
He may not have made it up and now is lying about the tests being switched.

[b]And if he truly has something physically wrong with his brain;
he might not be able to think clearly and so who knows what is true without seeing his actual test results?

If I pick up anything specific and for sure, I will let you know.
I do get that he is ill, but in what way, physically or mentally, cannot ascertain.
I get a miasma, a confusion feeling, and oddly a sense of paranoia about him,
so feel yes, something feels very wrong.
OK...this just popped in.
I see a study or other not brightly lit room.
I see a bankers lamp.
I see him reading and signing lots of papers.
He stops, puts his hands in his hands,
then gets up and walks out of room.
I have no idea what that may mean.
It's just what came through.
An added feeling of pressure, frustration and resignation too.
I also got some names which may be just a false lead.
"Kevin" or "Kenneth" and "Blaine"

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LEXX,

Thank you. I think what you sensed might be true. He's a financial analyst, so yeah, plenty of papers and hours spent at a desk. Pressure, frustration and resignation... I felt so sad when reading this. Yes, it sounds like him.
So you sensed he is ill?? Geo says the same... I don't know what to think anymore...
Those names don't ring any bells to me. But we live in Romania, so you don't usually come across those names here. Maybe foreign people he works with, I don't know.

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posted August 20, 2011 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Where is your and his Dejaneria Asteroids. IF you were abused as a child you are drawn to the Nessus/deja relationship cuz it feels like home cuz it is home
If both people are super mature I think a Nessus/Deja relationship could work and very well.
However, the maturity would have to be there imo
I am not good interpreting the DSC.What does it mean when he puts something on your DSC.
Please explain the dynamics .
Thank you!


Ami, I am posting the synastry with Nessus and Dejanira added.

His Nessus conjunct my DC exact
My Nessus square his ASC/DC

His Nessus square my Dejanira
My Nessus trine his Dejanira exact.



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posted August 20, 2011 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have natally Nessus in the 7th. Abuse from others.

Dejanira conjuncts Mercury, which rules houses 5 and 8... Might be a clue about the whole sexual abuse thing.

But I'm sure I was a virgin when I started my sex life, so this is all very puzzling for me. I LIVED the sexual abuse, even if there wasn't any (technically). I also have attracted abusers my whole life. I was almost raped 3 times, but walked away unharmed each time. I convinced all those men to leave me unharmed, just by talking to them, calmly and politely. My therapist says I have a strong psyche to be able to keep my cool in such situations and turn the table in my favor. I know that Mars-Pluto opposition which is exact in my chart is partially responsible for both attracting abuse and being able to fight it. Nessus squares both Mars and Pluto, also Saturn and is in opposition to Lilith in my 1st house (Grand Cross). Creepy, isn't it?
This subject is very sensitive, but so confusing for me.. It's still a very recent discovery

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posted August 20, 2011 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Geo, I would really apreciate your insight and wisdom on this horary chart, if you have the time and it's not too much to ask. I asked this when he first told me he is ill. I couldn't look at it yesterday, but I want to know the truth, whether I get it from him or this horary or any other way.

The chart is valid and the question is radical. The ruler of the hour was Jupiter. *edit* Nope, my mistake, I looked at a different date, ruler was Mercury. Not radical.

We can interpret it together, if you like, or not. I don't mind that, any way you feel more comfortable.


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posted August 20, 2011 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Hera,

You didn't include the question. What's the exact question that goes to this Horary Chart?

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posted August 20, 2011 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow Hera
Intense synastry!

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posted August 20, 2011 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Geo, maybe that's why the question isn't radical. I had very confusing thoughts when I raised the chart. I was actually asking more than one question. The basic one was whether he will be alright. Secondary questions were:
-would he accept my help and support through his illness
-is this really true? is he really ill?

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posted August 20, 2011 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Wow Hera
Intense synastry!


Yeah... everything with him was very intense. The love, the anger, the fear, the empathy... You should see the composite...

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posted August 20, 2011 06:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It took a moment for me to really see the question was written into the name area of the chart. This is what I see:

You are Jupiter, the querent.

He is Mercury, the quesited. Even though you are not his wife, I consider you both partners in that there is a romantic connection and has been for a while, although it's not ideal, it is a partnership, that's why I see him as the ruler of the 7th house.

Mercury rules the 6th house of health issues in a horary chart. It is retrograde and in the 8th house. I don't completely remember the exact rule for 8th House issues, it's pretty blunt in Horary, which really sticks to the iron clad issues of sex, death and taxes. Interesting that you said he's an accountant and he shows up in the 8th House of taxes.

Also, with the Nodal Axis conjunct the ASC Axis, that's a strong signal that the question is about a relationship.

That's all that I can do, I can't go any deeper, but feel free to do so yourself and anyone else who can add or take apart my findings. I hope my findings are wrong, but my own insight from this chart says no, he's not alright.

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posted August 20, 2011 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hera:
Yeah... everything with him was very intense. The love, the anger, the fear, the empathy... You should see the composite...


Put it up Hera

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posted August 20, 2011 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am having my thoughts about him personally.Can you put up his natal with the appropriate ASteroids on a separate thread .
Also add Cassanova , Cupido ,Lust and Child as well as our usual ones lol

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posted August 20, 2011 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Geo, yes, I assigned him to the 7th house, also. I always do so when the relationship in question is committed, or that is the intention.

I see him as Mercury, peregrine, combusted and retrograde in that awful 8th house, which indeed is the house of death, sex and taxes. I also view it as the house of boundaries and limitations, whether self-imposed or external. So it is a tough place for him to be in. He is confused, frustrated, blinded, afraid and feels trapped.
I also see him as Mars, which resides in his house. Mars is in his own sign of fall and applying for a square to Saturn, from Saturn's detriment. Saturn, which rules his derived 8th house also receives him in Mars's detriment. Mercury is also positioned in Saturn's detriment, perhaps he doesn't take it seriously or could be an indication of denial.

The problem is that Jupiter (me) rules his derived 6th house of health... So that's a bit confusing. Given that I have more significators, and his health house has only one, I'd like to stick with Jupiter as his health ruler and keep Moon, maybe Venus for myself.

Regarding me as Moon. I just entered Taurus, my sign of exaltation, and I am angular. I have strength and power to act. I'm applying to conjunct Jupiter (his health) in 10 somethings (I'm thinking days, because it's an angular house), but I'm frustrated by a sextile to Chiron (my own psychological wounds) and a trine to Pluto (my suspicions), which come between.
The reception between Mars and Moon is mixed. He is ruled by me, so indeed he loves me a lot, but I'm in his detriment, suggesting my doubts about his sincerity. I will sextile him after I conjunct Jupiter. Perhaps we will make peace after he shows me the test results were real.

Me as Venus. Combusted, peregrine, in the 8th house. Not a very happy place for me, either. I'm also confused, afraid and depressed about the situation. I'm applying for an opposition to Neptune (!!!!!!!), the lord of illusions, meaning there is definitely some deception at hand, but I can't say precisely where (illness or mixed results). I don't see the situation clearly as Venus. I'm a bit optimistic about POF conjuncting Venus exact, which means that this situation, despite being so awful, will not be harmful for me. Either there is no threat, or I will be able to get out of it in the nick of time.

Now Jupiter. Placed in Taurus at the end of the 4th house. Despite Jupiter being peregrine (his health is not very good), it is angular so it is not too late to take action and improve the situation. Jupiter is ruled by me as Venus and in the sign of my exaltation as Moon, meaning I have a lot of power to influence his health positively, if he would only let me. Now the aspects between him and his health are interesting. Mercury, placed in Jupiter's term, is applying to conjunct Jupiter by antiscia, being received also by term. Meaning that he is somewhat confident that his health will be alright and it probably will. Mars, however, is separating from a sextile to Jupiter, being in Jupiter's exaltation (too confident about his health, taking it for granted) and was received by detriment (probably the bad news he received about his health).

This is as far as I can go right now. It seems like he was telling the truth.

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posted August 20, 2011 07:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami, if you don't mind, I'd like to keep posting my charts in this thread instead of starting others. I am aware it has the disadvantage of getting the discussion side-tracked, but I feel better like this.

I'll upload the composite and his chart with asteroids.


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posted August 20, 2011 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK
He has child conj Uranus.Is he kind of like a smart , eccentric child but in a playful and kind of adorable way?

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posted August 20, 2011 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He does not seem like a player as I thought at first.

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posted August 20, 2011 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How does he feel he does not fit in socially?

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posted August 20, 2011 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am not that good but he does not seem like a "danger" chart to me.
Maybe Geo will weigh in

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posted August 20, 2011 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
OK
He has child conj Uranus.Is he kind of like a smart , eccentric child but in a playful and kind of adorable way?




Yeah, I guess you can say that. He is a BIG child. Sometimes obnoxious.

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He does not seem like a player as I thought at first.

He didn't seem that way to me, either. He said he has never cheated. His longest relationship was 5 years, which is impressive for a Sag with Sag Venus conjunct Uranus. He says he's been abstinent since we first met online, he even considers porn as cheating.

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How does he feel he does not fit in socially?

Well, for starters, he doesn't have a phone, if you can believe that. He used to, but due to some accident, he doesn't anymore and he likes it like this. He is against phones and photographs.

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I am not that good but he does not seem like a "danger" chart to me.

He has Nessus in close opposition to Mars and square Pluto and Lilith. Similar configuration as me (except I also have Saturn in the mix). It can stand for being abused or being abusive, either way can work. He was abused by his step dad and older brother, but that doesn't mean he cannot abuse others himself. Abuse is a repetitive pattern and a learned behaviour. He didn't seem violent to me, though.

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posted August 20, 2011 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I checked asteroid 14014 Munchhausen in his chart. 7 Aqua. Trine Jupiter and Saturn. Conjunct IC.

I think he was lying, Ami. Or, at least, he exagerated the whole thing. Maybe the doctors did see something was wrong with him, taking more tests, but I doubt they told him he is dying.
He, however, told me that. He said he wants to live his last months the way he wishes. He asked me not to forget him and that I am special woman.
Perhaps today he got scared that he exagerated the story so much and he decided to come up with the lab mistake.

Either way, how can I be with someone I cannot trust?

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posted August 20, 2011 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am sorry Hera

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posted August 20, 2011 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry too, Ami. I don't know why I needed this experience, but the Universe seems to think I did.


I made a decision. I'm going to wait for him to contact me about his test results, like he said he will, until the end of next week. If he doesn't, I'm going to write him an e-mail and give him the warning Geo and Dreamy_AriesGirl gave me, about his health. I think he should know.

After that, I can walk away with a clear conscience and start erasing him from my head and heart.

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