posted November 29, 2011 08:44 AM            

I love your chart!

Very clear patterns to show purposeful flow of energy. Balanced elements and energy. Even with 2 t-square of hard energy, they are all supported by easier supportive routes.

I would say you are someone who can handle tough situations and emotions, cos you have many ways to resolve tough energy, esp as you grow older and become more experienced in the balancing act.

The core energy you need to balance is the opp tension between your Moon & Mar/Nep. It is the axis of your kite and your t-sq.
I think this axis what I have read about you and your relationships so far.

Moon-Mars: craves excitement, emotional melodrama, bored by easy relationship
Moon-Nep: idealizing relationship, too high expectations
On 5H/11H axis, you prolly do this for your romantic relationships as well as with your friends

In your nature, there are 3 paths you might take to address this tension. The easiest trap route to take would be via Jupiter in your t-sq, cos jupiter is such attractive energy and light and in your nature. But this would likely make you even more enthusiastic and have even more grand dreams about those relationships.
I wont suggest indulging in sex and the excitement. It will just worsen the bad energy of the t-sq (viscious cycle) Hmmm...maybe like dramatized caption for your topic on relationship with the guy?
To control the Jupiter, slowing down to reflect quietly could help.

In fact, you are lucky to have 2 other routes to help handle this melodrama characteristic, bypassing the Jupiter altogether. That is to use either of the planet/asteroid in your kite, ie Pluto or Pallas.

To use Pluto is to leverage on your ability to reflect deeply and to synthesize your experience to form different approaches to your problem, to ask for something deeper than just fun & excitement. In the 9H, maybe travel experience and immersion in culture (eg. foreign film & arts) might help calm you when you are overstrung by your relationships.

To use Pallas in 1H, I see that you have a wise tribal woman in you to serve as your internal counselor, so when you are stressed from emotions or becoming too excited with usual relationship, consult your inner wisdom: is it of depth and substance, or just temp indulgence?

Pallas & Pluto in grand trine with your moon in air could mean wisdom and depth of thoughts through experience could provide you with a philosophical view that would support your frivolous moon and thus emotional comfort.

Do any of the above resonate with your experience?

I would try to read the other t-sq + triange with Mer/Ven opp Saturn t-ing chiron and sextile/trine jupiter next

posted November 30, 2011 05:37 PM            

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Originally posted by yuting:
I would say you are someone who can handle tough situations and emotions, cos you have many ways to resolve tough energy, esp as you grow older and become more experienced in the balancing act..

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True. I can handle tough situations and emotions. I accept life as it is. Even I fall, so far I always manage to pick myself up and carry on with the childish optimism I have.

posted November 30, 2011 05:42 PM            

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Originally posted by yuting:
The core energy you need to balance is the opp tension between your Moon & Mar/Nep. It is the axis of your kite and your t-sq. I think this axis what I have read about you and your relationships so far.

Moon-Mars: craves excitement, emotional melodrama, bored by easy relationship
Moon-Nep: idealizing relationship, too high expectations
On 5H/11H axis, you prolly do this for your romantic relationships as well as with your friends

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True. I always crave excitement.

Emotional melodrama has always been a part of my life due to my mother. Though she is an angel since from my early childhood, she has suffered chronic depression, loose nerves. I can say she got addicted to having nervous break downs. Many times in a day sometimes non-stop. Lasted over 30 years. Now, she seems to be fine. Knock the wood

I picked up a habit when I was a child, which I practise very seldom now; Creating scenes in my dreams, that make me cry. Emotional melodrama ? Mine is interior, can't be externaly seen easily. or I think so

True, I am bored by easy relationships.
My friends, they all have strong characters and we're all quite odd people

True, I do idealize my friendships hell a lot. I idealize "friendship".

True, my friends say I fall for what I create in my mind. Not the actual guy himself. Ýdealization.

posted November 30, 2011 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by yuting:
In your nature, there are 3 paths you might take to address this tension. The easiest trap route to take would be via Jupiter in your t-sq, cos jupiter is such attractive energy and light and in your nature. But this would likely make you even more enthusiastic and have even more grand dreams about those relationships.
I wont suggest indulging in sex and the excitement. It will just worsen the bad energy of the t-sq (viscious cycle) Hmmm...maybe like dramatized caption for your topic on relationship with the guy?
To control the Jupiter, slowing down to reflect quietly could help.

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Although I can be indulgent with many other things, I don't indulge in sex that much. Cause I don't get any satisfaction if it is purely physical. Sex was so beautiful with my ex. How can I not dramatize it, I lost the best sex I ever had !

I reflect upon everything. But sometimes I get carried away.

posted November 30, 2011 06:38 PM            

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Originally posted by yuting:
To use Pallas in 1H, I see that you have a wise tribal woman in you to serve as your internal counselor, so when you are stressed from emotions or becoming too excited with usual relationship, consult your inner wisdom: is it of depth and substance, or just temp indulgence?

Pallas & Pluto in grand trine with your moon in air could mean wisdom and depth of thoughts through experience could provide you with a philosophical view that would support your frivolous moon and thus emotional comfort.

Do any of the above resonate with your experience?

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Pallas in 1H Wise tribal woman; this put a big smile on my face. My friends would applaud. True. I have an internal counselor. But sometimes even she can't answer me if it's lust or love.

I feel like a paradox most of the times.
Contradicting personality traits however they seem to have a balanced coexistance.
I feel like I have the universe in I. If that makes any sense to you.

I think a lot. I observe a lot. I dream a lot. In time, I've developed a philosophical view of existance & a belief system which helps me to stand tall in the darkest hours.

I am forever changing. Although, I can be considered as a cautious & wise soul, sometimes I can't help but throw the dice and bet on my life just for the thrill of it.

One part of me keep growing older & wiser while another part of me remains at the age of 16 forever

Thank you so much, Yuting. I think you're very close to becoming an expert in astrology. If you're not already.

I can't see Grand squares, trines on a chart most probably because I 've never tried it.

Could you please give me more info on kite ?
Does everyone have them or my kites make me someone special

posted November 30, 2011 07:30 PM            

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Emotional melodrama has always been a part of my life due to my mother. Though she is an angel since from my early childhood, she has suffered chronic depression, loose nerves. I can say she got addicted to having nervous break downs. Many times in a day sometimes non-stop. Lasted over 30 years. Now, she seems to be fine. Knock the wood

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Moon-Neptune/Mars (moon is mother too), so that could put her in the fantasizing/in another world existence and temper issues I guess.
And I just started to read on horary, 10H cusp/MC also represents mother, maybe that could be applied to natal reading too? Uranus on MC in Scorpio, sudden changes in emotions (prolly the dark ones?)
I have Mars on MC and dealing with temper of my mother was a theme for me

posted November 30, 2011 07:36 PM            

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I picked up a habit when I was a child, which I practise very seldom now; Creating scenes in my dreams, that make me cry. Emotional melodrama ? Mine is interior, can't be externaly seen easily. or I think so

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Creating scenes is neptune, internally...well could be that your neptune-moon is in Sag/Gem and your Jup (which further grandiose the scenes) is Pisces, ie it is mental & emotional so you do not act them out(prolly differentif they are in fire signs)

posted November 30, 2011 07:40 PM            

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Originally posted by sis:
I reflect upon everything. But sometimes I get carried away.

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Walking the fine line between reflection and daydreaming :P Otherwise, you can fall right back into the trap of the Jup - Nep of your t-sq. Reflect with your Pallas/Pluto strength

posted November 30, 2011 07:44 PM            

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Originally posted by sis:
Although I can be indulgent with many other things, I don't indulge in sex that much. Cause I don't get any satisfaction if it is purely physical. Sex was so beautiful with my ex. How can I not dramatize it, I lost the best sex I ever had !
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Pallas in 1H Wise tribal woman; this put a big smile on my face. My friends would applaud. True. I have an internal counselor. But sometimes even she can't answer me if it's lust or love.

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posted November 30, 2011 08:12 PM            

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Originally posted by sis:

I feel like a paradox most of the times.
Contradicting personality traits however they seem to have a balanced coexistance.
I feel like I have the universe in I. If that makes any sense to you.
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Could you please give me more info on kite ?

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That balancing characteristic will be noticeable in a native with kite/rectangle/trine-sextile triangle/t-sq/grand sq in his/her chart. All 5 are dealing with polarities. Kite, trine-sextile triangle & t-sq have 1 set of polarity, rectangle & grand sq deal with 2 sets.

Kite will have the easiest balancing act, cos it has planets on both side of the opposition axis in harmonious aspects to the two poles, giving the native more than 1 way to address the stress.

Rectangle is similar to kite, except it has two sets of polarities. Each of the 4 poles are sextiling/trining another 2 poles. Talk about balancing act, this is juggling act! I have it in my natal...hehe...so yes, I certainly know how that feels in extra doses.

The sextile/trine triangle is 1 set of polarity with harmonious support on 1 side. You also have that in your chart with Mer/Ven, Sat and Jup. Will look at that later.

t-sq & grand cross have much tougher time cos their balancing acts are with sq & oppositions. I read from somewhere these natives have strong power, and if they can ovecome those tensions, they can have great achievement.

My take on these is that kite/rectangle natives would likely reflect adaptability & versatility. Grand cross natives will have very strong/combative personality (or if internalize, s/he's a fighter in adversity)

t-sq & sextile/trine triangles are prolly milder versions of the above.

posted November 30, 2011 10:00 PM            

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Originally posted by sis:
Thank you so much, Yuting. I think you're very close to becoming an expert in astrology. If you're not already.

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Oh no! So much more to learn. I am still learning to deal with the main items. Yet to learn to handle the asteroids and the minor aspects (eg quincunx/sesqu etc)

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I can't see Grand squares, trines on a chart most probably because I 've never tried it.

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When I first started, I tended to focus on specific aspects as well. That made me lose sight of the forest in favor of the indiv trees. Then I started to realize there would be many ways the same aspect could manifest itself. To put the aspect in context, I need to know the big picture (e.g. core personality and energy flow of the person). Eg besides being exact or not, the strength and the overtone of an aspect would be different if it is part of a strong energy pattern or when it is a standalone.

So I started to look for themes, dominant/void elements/energy types, planets in quadrants (not just specific houses) and the various energy patterns.

You could see that I ask for only the key planets and the major asteroids, as well as for reduce orb (and draw aspect lines to all), so as to help focus on the essential few. If we use wide orbs (as default in astro), we might find too many patterns of different strength to confuse us. But with tight orbs, if a pattern still shows up, there is high likelihood it would be the theme for the native.

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Does everyone have them or my kites make me someone special

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Certainly not everyone has kite, or for that matter any clear energy pattern in his/her chart. It is a blessing for us who have them, because it can give us clear purpose and direction for our growth and guide us on how to leverage it.

That's why I said I love your chart. It is a chart I feel with great potential to improve with age and growth, cos the energies are so directed.

For me, it is much harder to interpret scattered charts, because there will be much less guidance/context on how each aspect will manifest itself. Hmmm...I think for those charts, I will try to use wider orbs to see if some energy pattern will finally show up.

posted November 30, 2011 11:09 PM            

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Originally posted by sis:
I am forever changing. Although, I can be considered as a cautious & wise soul, sometimes I can't help but throw the dice and bet on my life just for the thrill of it.

One part of me keep growing older & wiser while another part of me remains at the age of 16 forever

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Sounds like your capricorn stellium vs your kite/t-sq axis

Actually, I am thinking this serious/mature tone would manifest itself more in your serious partnership (ie marriage/business partnership), cos capricorn asc & several cap planets opp Saturn in 1H-7H axis, ie the interaction between you and your formal partner.

This comes to the sextile/trine triangle I mentioned. The mer/ven opp Sat could be censoring your own words and emotions before communicating them (eg caveat things you say, slapping yourself for saying sth stupid/unintended or for not saying them better. You might be able to do small talk or fun talk well (your 5H-11H), but when it comes to sharing your own feelings, you might be very hesitant. There might also be feelings that you have bad luck in love or cant find anyone to love you (at least not in the way you want).

Saturn in 7H cancer means partnership for you is serious, esp at an emotional level. Cancer takes time to open up and give trust, but once open up, s/he is the unconditional loving mother figure. Saturn also means delay, but again, once accepted, it has staying power.

Therefore I'd interpret your Mer/Ven opp Saturn as you are too tight up and too critical when you are looking for a serious relationship. You are fun & lighthearted when the relationship is still in the friendship realm (5H-11H), but to allow it to cross over to serious relationship, you have set a very high barrier for yourself as well as for the other person.

To soften that, maybe you could consider using that Jupiter (which is not very effective when it is still in the romance realm) for more serious relationship, esp the Mer/jup sextile. I am hesitant to suggest using Ven/Jup cos it might be a fine line between it and Moon/Jup sq
For mer/Jup, that's your logical self making objective observations in an optimistic light. Also remaining open-minded to continue observe. Right, not your emotional self dreaming of what you thought you saw

posted December 01, 2011 05:40 PM            

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Originally posted by yuting:
Moon-Neptune/Mars (moon is mother too), so that could put her in the fantasizing/in another world existence and temper issues I guess.

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So true. She is religious it's always the other world not the one she resides
She beat me a lot for nothing when I was a child which she regrets now. But you know, she is truly an angel. Things were too much for her to handle at that time. I wish she was stronger but well she was not and is not. What can I do rather than accept.

I took refuge in doing drugs. There were times I did a lot, there were times I did less. I never became addicted to hard drugs. But smoking dope is another story

Some of my Neptune aspects can be related to my drug usage.

posted December 01, 2011 05:44 PM            

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Originally posted by yuting:
Walking the fine line between reflection and daydreaming :P Otherwise, you can fall right back into the trap of the Jup - Nep of your t-sq. Reflect with your Pallas/Pluto strength

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posted December 01, 2011 05:47 PM            

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Or you take refuge to sex, when other aspects of a relationship seem to deviate from your dream, saying to yourself

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Could be true. I need to contemplate on this.

posted December 01, 2011 06:34 PM            

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Originally posted by yuting:
Sounds like your capricorn stellium vs your kite/t-sq axis

Actually, I am thinking this serious/mature tone would manifest itself more in your serious partnership (ie marriage/business partnership), cos capricorn asc & several cap planets opp Saturn in 1H-7H axis, ie the interaction between you and your formal partner.

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True. In business relations, I can be very serious and mature. I am not sure if I will ever marry someone :?

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Originally posted by yuting:

This comes to the sextile/trine triangle I mentioned. The mer/ven opp Sat could be censoring your own words and emotions before communicating them (eg caveat things you say, slapping yourself for saying sth stupid/unintended or for not saying them better. You might be able to do small talk or fun talk well (your 5H-11H), but when it comes to sharing your own feelings, you might be very hesitant. There might also be feelings that you have bad luck in love or cant find anyone to love you (at least not in the way you want)..

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True. Right on target. Silence, hesitance on sharing my feelings. Only happens when I am romanticaly inclined though. Not with friends.

Yes, I always felt the ones I loved did not love me the way I wanted. But I am the one to be blamed for this. You have to be a mind reader to understand the signals I am sending out. But I am improving. On my next affair, I know I am going to do a lot better.

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Originally posted by yuting:

Saturn in 7H cancer means partnership for you is serious, esp at an emotional level. Cancer takes time to open up and give trust, but once open up, s/he is the unconditional loving mother figure. Saturn also means delay, but again, once accepted, it has staying power..

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I have a loyal heart. My love is unconditional. When sis loves a man...

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Originally posted by yuting:

Therefore I'd interpret your Mer/Ven opp Saturn as you are too tight up and too critical when you are looking for a serious relationship. You are fun & lighthearted when the relationship is still in the friendship realm (5H-11H), but to allow it to cross over to serious relationship, you have set a very high barrier for yourself as well as for the other person.

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True. Very true indeed. Too tight up and too critical... Every word you have given above is right on target.

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Originally posted by yuting:

To soften that, maybe you could consider using that Jupiter (which is not very effective when it is still in the romance realm) for more serious relationship, esp the Mer/jup sextile. I am hesitant to suggest using Ven/Jup cos it might be a fine line between it and Moon/Jup sq
For mer/Jup, that's your logical self making objective observations in an optimistic light. Also remaining open-minded to continue observe. Right, not your emotional self dreaming of what you thought you saw

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I'll take this advice.

posted December 01, 2011 08:05 PM            

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Originally posted by sis:
So true. She is religious it's always the other world not the one she resides
She beat me a lot for nothing when I was a child which she regrets now. But you know, she is truly an angel. Things were too much for her to handle at that time. I wish she was stronger but well she was not and is not. What can I do rather than accept.

I took refuge in doing drugs. There were times I did a lot, there were times I did less. I never became addicted to hard drugs. But smoking dope is another story

Some of my Neptune aspects can be related to my drug usage.

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I am not able to come up with this myself, but what you are telling me here prompted me to think that while Moon/Nep/Mars was difficult for you, fortunately you have the kite so that you always maintained faith in your mother and things improved over the years.
I am thinking that applies to me as well. Had some personality clashes and negative feelings about my mom Mars/MC opp Sun/Ven + Moon opp Ura, but I never thought for a moment she doesnt love me or did things for my own good. As I grow older, I seem to have calm down further too.

Also for Nep, you had a problem with it but it never became a big problem, prolly cos you had been gradually resolving your axis.
I feel you were better at dealing with your moon than your nep though, maybe cos your nep is supported by Pallas & Pluto through sextile (which is more passive support) and your moon by trine (more pro-active). And again maybe cos Nep is outer planet as well as Plu, so they are somewhat out of your control.

posted December 01, 2011 08:07 PM            

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Originally posted by sis:
I am not sure if I will ever marry someone :?

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Who knows! Just a bit harder to meet one you'd open up maybe. As long as we live a full, rewarding life, doesnt matter

posted December 01, 2011 08:44 PM            

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Originally posted by sis:
You have to be a mind reader to understand the signals I am sending out

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Just a chart reader

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I am learning from you. Honestly, I think you are very good at astrology. Of course, there will always be new things to learn but still your performance on this session is brilliant.
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Mutual learning. Cos you opened up to me on what happened, helped me understand how certain aspects/pattern manifest themselves in real life.

You are too kind! I think reading chart takes chemistry too. I have more feel on some charts then other. So I do not respond to all charts here.

Btw, I did a rough synastry between us. Started to do this with people I read, to sense whether what I say would be accepted/helpful to the other person. If it shows we cannot understand each other, I would prolly say a lot less to end it quickly. If what I say maybe harmful or draw the other person back, I will say as little as possible or get out of reading the chart if I could so what I say wont harm the other person

posted December 02, 2011 06:54 PM            

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Originally posted by yuting:
Who knows! Just a bit harder to meet one you'd open up maybe. As long as we live a full, rewarding life, doesnt matter

Btw, the indulge in sex part is only one example on how it might manifest. Jup could be just general indulgence

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I am not into marriage at all. I think it's very boring. But I might like to try it once so my plan is to get married around 60 if I am still alive. Such a perfect age to get married

posted December 02, 2011 07:20 PM            

I am someone who can make fun of herself. Also, I am aware of my demons, weaknesses...
When they are pointed out, I stare at them.
and say with a spooky voice "you little monsters of mine, making waves, spelling trouble in my life; causing pain & suffering, bow down to your master, to I"

dramatic? Ahah

posted December 02, 2011 10:13 PM            

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Originally posted by sis:

I am someone who can make fun of herself. Also, I am aware of my demons, weaknesses...

dramatic? Ahah

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That's quality of kite/rectangle. We want to tackle problems, finding ways round them.

Hear you! (says this Lioness)