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Ami Anne
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posted January 22, 2012 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your Sun is in Aries which is exalted, so that is very good. I am off to consider the unaspected Sun.

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posted January 22, 2012 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by amelia28:
Saggie,

Uranus in the 7th doesn't mean divorce nor does moon square uranus.....it means she needs lots of space and a partner that will not try to dominate her and control her put respect her individuality and she will do the same for him.

Ofcourse it can manifest in divorce too I am sure or in long distance relationships or in breaking up and getting back together cycle. In your case it has manifested in divorce but is different for everyone.

Also saturn conjuncts her 7th house ruler so she probably takes marriage extremely seriously so if she does get married will probably work hard to make it work.


The sign position of Uranus indicates our restlessness and what for us is individual, modern and thrilling. The house position of Uranus indicates where we desire free expression, seek to be different, and where things get turned upside down! Shocks, surprises, upheavals, freedom, independence. Uranus being a higher octave of mercury, like Neptune is a higher octave of venus. The house Uranus is in is where we seek to be different, want free expressions and where things get turned upside down.

Uranus in 7th House – Angular house
These people have an intrinsic sense of fair play, of justice and of equality. When these principles are ¬consistently violated in relationships, the cumulative stress can induce a psychologically traumatic state. When this occurs they must re evaluate themselves in terms of their expectations about reality in general, and relationship dynamics specifically
Shows a desire for freedom in marriage. The partner may be unusually intelligent. Your choice of mate could be unpredictable. Need certain amount of freedom within a marriage or your partner may want or need this. Can go both ways. Difficulties in marriage either one can be too independent. Boredom and routine needs breaking occasionally to keep things fresh, exciting. But with a certain amount of eccentricity married life will not be dull.
Divorce or separation, sometimes by sudden death if Uranus is afflicted. Apt to attract a partner who wants to feel free and be a law unto themselves. Suddenly find themselves being confronted by ‘open enemies’ which will come as a surprise – but at least that way it can be dealt with (much better than 12th/secret enemies)

it doesn't *guarantee* divorce, it's just on my list of possibilities, but a *strong possibility*** nontheless..It could mean her OR her partner wanting the freedom and independence... not to mentioned both pluto AND saturn are both retrograde, suggesting delays inanyevent..

Uranus in the 7th House

"You can be a genius when it comes to partnerships. You have to be because you tend to attract partners who are quite independent, perhaps even a bit rebellious.
Close commitments may seem to be under the influence of many circumstances beyond your control" http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/planeturanushouse.htm#hur7

"Partners and people who you are in a one-on-one relationship with will complain about your erratic and inconstant ways. However, they will be charmed by your genuineness and simplicity. You may shy away from making a commitment and see relationships as a necessary evil. Your freedom loving ways make you hate feeling tied down. The whole idea of relationships may be slightly alien to your basic nature. In a partner you may search for a certain aloofness or love of personal freedom to feel secure. Your ideal partner enjoys his or her personal freedom as much as you do." http://cafeastrology.com/articles/uranusinhou-ses.html

7th house ruler posited in 6th suggests where she is likely to meet her partner and conj Saturn could also suggest she is attracted to highly ambitious, hard working, possibly ruthless men, like herself.

Pluto trine venus at 10' approaching is too wide for max. I tend to reduce the orb ratio down on astro to 85% to bring in line with more mainstream views...

5th house of love affairs in Equal house, is ruled by virgo/mercury and mercury is in 11th, suggesting social groups and friendships. Being in pisces, I bet friends always bring their problems to you, looking for tea and sympathy? I wonder who you go to with your problems though?

Now 3rd week Feb T uranus will make it's first conjunction with natal sun in 11th. this IS a major transit and will have at least 3hits and the retro hit is the most important for timings....
http://www.khaldea.com/kldaephem/2000/feb2012gmt.shtml
If you want to learn how to use an ephemeris try here.. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42496

"Uranus transits to the Sun are highly significant transits that act to alter your overall personality and consciousness. Your individuality becomes the focus. You learn more about yourself and might disrupt your life path in order to express this fact. Your will is called to the fore, and you may express yourself in a defiant manner. Patterns of behavior that worked for you in the past are questioned, and change is in order. You become rather intolerant of restrictions on your self-expression.

Look for Leo in your natal chart, as the Sun rules Leo, and this is an area of life that will be directly affected by the transit (in addition to the house where the transit actually takes place)." http://cafeastrology.com/uranustransits.html

to read the full article, click on link

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posted January 22, 2012 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
" Moon and Uranus promises an ingenious imagination. It also produces emotional perversity and sudden inexplicable changes in moods. You become easily bored, throwing over one activity for something else more exciting. Frequent upsets and changes in circumstances, may be the order of your life. Your hair-trigger temper can fly whenever, even toward those close to you. This aspect denotes much emotional tension. As you mature, this aspect may mark you as an advanced thinker, but one likely to remain a law unto self. Tact is something you have to learn to fit more comfortable into society. Your uncompromising honesty and painfully truthful criticisms can make life difficult at times." http://www.skyscript.co.uk/moonaspects.html#mosur
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/moonuranusaspects.html

Pisces moon
“However, your Moon is in Pisces, which is a highly sensitive and deeply emotional Moon placement. It would certainly feel like a Chiron-Moon contact, even if technically it is not. Those with Moon in Pisces experienced an emotional disconnection from mother whilst growing up. The mother was most likely either emotionally shut down, addicted, or very distracted by her own life. This leaves a deep wound to do with feeling left out or disconnected - emotionally - from the rest of the world.” http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=300612&postcount=5
Comments by R4ven senior member - “Sun conjunct Chiron in 9th” thread

since your Moon is in Pisces, your mother may not have been available to you when you most needed her to be

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posted January 22, 2012 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Your Sun is in Aries which is exalted, so that is very good. I am off to consider the unaspected Sun.



this member doesn't have an unaspected sun??

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posted January 22, 2012 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by kaleidoscope:
Yeah, you can call me Kal
Well we left off on chiron and we touched on the 12th house. I looked through your articles, but didnt find a specific article relating to just sun in 12th. I saw that it did mention that would make one insecure about shining one’s light, standing out and standing up for one’s unique identity. I think thats true for me and yes I'm an extreme beginner.


If you want some research links for 12th house here you go....

12th house planets/aspects http://astroveda.wikidot.com/stars-in-twelfth-house http://practicalastrology.prettyfedu...uses3.htm#12th http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_dgtwehouse_e.htm http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/dkfArtTwelfthHouse.htm http://www.gotohoroscope.com/houses-in-chart-12th.html http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoun...rmaHouse12.htm http://www.astrology-numerology.com/inhouses-sun.html#Twelfth http://12th.tribe.net/thread/c160721f-6268-42d8-bf31-897977f99188 http://www.astrologyindepth.com/The_12th_house http://www.myastrologybook.com/Mercury-Venus-in-the-twelfth-house-12th-house.htm http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/venusinhouses.html
youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QhUTcG--1Y&feature=related

Research threads on Astrologyweekly.com http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43270 http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41125&highlight=guardian+angel http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=339098#post339098 http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3173&highlight=12th+house


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posted January 22, 2012 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun in the 12th House
By amiann | Published: January 22, 2012 |
The Sun is our most dominant part. It is our identity, our ego, what we know as our “self”. In an emotionally healthy person, the Sun sign will be the strongest. If the moon or Ascendant is dominant, something is out of balance. That is why someone with little astrological knowledge can pick out sun signs. All people need to shine. We need to express ourselves, as surely as we need to eat . One would not literally die, if one’s self were dormant, but something of import would die. The 12th house sun cannot shine as the other house’s Suns. It is the hardest placement for the Sun, as the 12th house opens to the next dimension. The Sun is discrete. For a person to be emotionally strong, his identity has to be separate from others. The 12th house is a dissolution of boundaries. As such, the Sun does not want to do what all Suns were made to do, individuate.

The 12th house Sun will want to retire, rather than put himself on center stage. He will hold back. If there are a group of children playing, the 12th house Sun will pretend he does not care to join, but he does. This Sun wavers between going back and going forward. He may be interested in all things mystical and spiritual. He may want to work in out of the way places such as prisons or hospices. Perhaps, he does shine, but it is in a different way. He may be the most spiritual Sun, house placement wise. As such, he will be different but he needs to learn to celebrate these differences, as the hardest aspects can be better made for service to others, as we are forced to climb to overcome. As such, we have a depth and a humility that the easier chart could never know.


This may have typos lol

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posted January 23, 2012 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kaleidoscope     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saggi,
Thank you for all the links and resources... So much information!

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posted January 23, 2012 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pisces moon
“However, your Moon is in Pisces, which is a highly sensitive and deeply emotional Moon placement. It would certainly feel like a Chiron-Moon contact, even if technically it is not. Those with Moon in Pisces experienced an emotional disconnection from mother whilst growing up. The mother was most likely either emotionally shut down, addicted, or very distracted by her own life. This leaves a deep wound to do with feeling left out or disconnected - emotionally - from the rest of the world.” http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=300612&postcount=5
Comments by R4ven senior member - “Sun conjunct Chiron in 9th” thread


Did not know this about Moon in Pisces. I never heard this.

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posted January 23, 2012 01:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I felt inspired to write something on how to deal with 12th house planets, as a result of reading Saggi's wonderful info.

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posted January 23, 2012 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How To Overcome 12th House Planets?
By amiann | Published: January 23, 2012

I feel a burden for those with 12th house planets. As I do more charts, the angst associated with 12th house planets is palpable. I have Neptune in the 12th, which is the easiest 12th house planet and even it is very hard. I think that there is one way to deal with the burden of 12th house planets. There is one way to transmute that burden from dross to gold. It is through service. The 12th house is the door to the next dimension. The next dimension does not have the values of this one. On this earth, money, beauty and prestige trump. In the next dimension, it is the quality of your heart. This will resonate with 12th house people, I suspect. I think they already know it. It is written deep inside them. These knowings are part of what makes them both different and special. If you have 12th house planets, consider the form of service with fits with you. Start to put it in to practice,slowly. When you feel depression, as most 12th house planets have, give to someone else. The depression will transmute and something of beauty will be in it’s place.

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posted January 23, 2012 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by kaleidoscope:
Hi! I've looked up the basic meanings, but was wondering if anyone could tell me if there is anything unique, unusual or notable in my chart? Oh, and does it indicate marriage or children. Just curious...

Thanks for looking!
http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww168/efuenger/astro_2gw_02_erica591443273.gif


Unfortunately, there is no set formula or signature for marriage or childbirth, although others may disagree, apparently horary and vedic seem confident in this area. There are indicators and potential as there would be with natal, solar return chart but guarantees –

Your chart is a blueprint of your personality, facets and penchants and the whole chart is 'potential' for development. There is nothing guaranteed or fatalistic in charts, I do believe we still do have free will. I also believe we chose our parents and childhood circumstances best suited to learning those Lessons in the best way we can.

I think it's worth bearing in mind that the natal chart, like solar returns is all about 'potential' but as we all know we don't always fulfil that potential do we.

It's like someone saying you can predict death, but with modern medicine and sciences the way they are and the potential to 'die' three times in a life, doesn't mean to say you will does it

I think lots of people have unrealistic expectations about what astrology can and can't do. astrology is an 'art, science and craft' and not clairvoyance either. If there were a formula or signature, don't you think we would ALL be using it?

Basic astrology forum, How to approach Synastry http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000667.html

Ami Ann, perhaps you could put some of your great delinations on 12th house planets into my thread?

Basic astrology forum, 12th house planets http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000666.html

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posted January 23, 2012 02:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saggi
I have a hard time getting in to that Forum. Please, go and take anything of my articles. It would be my honor to be on your thread! I am a very humble student of Astrology.

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posted January 23, 2012 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kaleidoscope     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
How To Overcome 12th House Planets?
By amiann | Published: January 23, 2012

I feel a burden for those with 12th house planets. As I do more charts, the angst associated with 12th house planets is palpable. I have Neptune in the 12th, which is the easiest 12th house planet and even it is very hard. I think that there is one way to deal with the burden of 12th house planets. There is one way to transmute that burden from dross to gold. It is through service. The 12th house is the door to the next dimension. The next dimension does not have the values of this one. On this earth, money, beauty and prestige trump. In the next dimension, it is the quality of your heart. This will resonate with 12th house people, I suspect. I think they already know it. It is written deep inside them. These knowings are part of what makes them both different and special. If you have 12th house planets, consider the form of service with fits with you. Start to put it in to practice,slowly. When you feel depression, as most 12th house planets have, give to someone else. The depression will transmute and something of beauty will be in it’s place.



Great advice

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posted January 23, 2012 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Sweetie
I will be back, tomorrow

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posted January 24, 2012 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[B]Saggi
I have a hard time getting in to that Forum. Please, go and take anything of my articles. It would be my honor to be on your thread! I am a very humble student of Astrology.

Basic astrology forum, 12th house planets http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000666.html


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posted January 24, 2012 12:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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No, I wasn't bullied. I'd have to say the wound I have is not feeling acknowledged as a child. My parents are divorced and my dad was an alcoholic and wasn't affectionate and we weren't close.

Oftentimes, sun and/or mars in 12th and challenged or afflicted can been seen as 'bullied'

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posted January 25, 2012 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kaleidoscope     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 25, 2012 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where were we, Sweetie

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posted January 25, 2012 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kaleidoscope     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Ami! We went over sun in the 12th house and chiron in the 1st.

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posted January 25, 2012 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will do some sun aspects, Sweetie. You tell me what you think.
Sun in the 12th in Arie sq Nept in the 8th in Sag
Ok Your Sun is afraid to shine. However, as an Aries you have an advantage as you are naturally bold and courageous.
So, you may struggle with wanting to hide your light under the bed, but you are a bold person, as well.

Neptune in the 8th could make it hard for you to access your primal emotions/passions.


I would say that this square may make you afraid to go forth and when you do, you may feel frozen as you ask "Who am I, down deep? What are my deepest emotions? What are my deepest passions? I don't know.


So, you feel very stuck.Does this fit?

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posted January 25, 2012 12:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kaleidoscope     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I will do some sun aspects, Sweetie. You tell me what you think.
Sun in the 12th in Arie sq Nept in the 8th in Sag
Ok Your Sun is afraid to shine. However, as an Aries you have an advantage as you are naturally bold and courageous.
So, you may struggle with wanting to hide your light under the bed, but you are a bold person, as well.

Neptune in the 8th could make it hard for you to access your primal emotions/passions.


I would say that this square may make you afraid to go forth and when you do, you may feel frozen as you ask "Who am I, down deep? What are my deepest emotions? What are my deepest passions? I don't know.


So, you feel very stuck.Does this fit?


Yes, that fits. I do feel very stuck.

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posted January 25, 2012 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK, do you want to talk about that before I move on to another Sun aspect?

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posted January 25, 2012 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kaleidoscope     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you can move on to another sun aspect.

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posted January 26, 2012 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kaleidoscope     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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