posted March 17, 2012 05:09 PM            

Is it for prestige? Is it to use me as a trophy for his self esteem? Or possibly something else?

posted March 18, 2012 01:27 PM              

well done for post the aspect grids. So the first one, you shoud ignore aspects over 4' definately, maybe look at 3' - 3'30" orbs

what is the current state of play with you to please? fill in some backgrounds...

So then, sun square moon http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry/sun_moon_aspects.html
Nodes trine moon trine pluto -excellent and shows karmic Lessons going on between you two.
node conj mars the other way around
mars square saturn is the worst aspect. just remember saturn aspects act as cement for good OR bad.

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When Mars squares, quincunxes, or opposes Saturn in synastry, the second scenario described above is more likely. At the beginning of the relationship, Saturn is often unfettered by Mars' energy, and may even find it attractive. With time, Saturn becomes annoyed with Mars' seeming lack of discipline and "childishness". How Saturn handles this will be very important. Unfortunately, very often the Saturn native uses subtle ways to undermine the Mars native's confidence. Saturn attempts to control Mars by limiting, blocking, and undermining Mars. Mars feels like he/she is always in the wrong in Saturn's eyes. When Mars laughs naturally and freely, Saturn stares at Mars with a superior look, as if Mars is being foolish. Saturn may criticize Mars for everything from the way Mars dresses to how he/she behaves with others. Saturn perceives Mars as over-confident and frivolous, gets annoyed at the drop of a hat, and lets Mars know, either with direct criticism or a general air of disapproval. For a while, Mars tries to win back Saturn's favor. After all, the very traits that Saturn seemed to love about Mars at the beginning of the relationship have turned into things to criticize. The nature of Mars is rather aggressive, however, so this period will likely be short-lived. Mars will then become angry at Saturn for all of Saturn's over-serious behavior and disapproval. Mars may rebel and flaunt themselves before Saturn, which in turn makes Saturn feel all the more need to inhibit and restrict Mars. Can you see where this is going? The relationship has turned into living hell. Any latent aggressive tendencies in either individual become larger than life. At the very least, verbal abusiveness can result. Physical aggression is sometimes the next step if these discordant energies get out of hand. Eventually, Mars may want to leave, which can anger Saturn even more. Effort (sometimes Herculean effort if either person is not open to working on the relationship) is required to understand these aspects. http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry/mars_saturn_aspects.html

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WOW, I counted 9 saturn aspects going on here. Not sure if you could get away from each other, even if you wanted to..LOL

have you researched my thread in Basic forum yet? did you find it helpful?

Basic astrology forum, How to approach Synastry http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000667.html
To enter this forum you need an extra password – (astrology)

I'm not convinced asteriods do that much yet, but I do feel vertex, chiron, Juno and Nodes are well worth researching.

posted March 18, 2012 01:34 PM              

How long have you known this guy? is he just a friend, lover?

When looking at a man's chart, we look to venus and moon, 7th house planets and then ruler of 7th.

Venus in detriment virgo - wants a good communicator, whosse clean and tidy. He has got venus square uranus ( a divorce aspect) so needs lots of freedom and independence within relationships

Libra moon is sociable, gracious,charming, diplomatic but is conj pluto. This is emotional intensity full blown. Next we see in this stellium saturn conj pluto, which is extremely hard working but adds a ruthless streak, very amitious for power, control, authority and status and will work very hard to get it..

mars square pluto adds sexual intensity but he *should* be doing something physical like sports, martial arts, mountian climbing or occasional bungjee jumping even. This can (caveat)sometimes attract or give out violence.

here's some research http://www.celestialperspective.com/library/marspluto-aspectswhat-determines-theyre
mars/Pluto aspects by Donna Cunningham

posted March 18, 2012 05:44 PM            

I told him to stop talking to me. I felt that he wasn't being considerate and honestly the way he behaved seemed insulting. It was emotionally draining for me to try and get through to him because he's so stubborn and he convults issues with his lies. I thought I would rather take a break and concentrate on my career.

He was very good to me initially. that was who I fell in love with.

I'm not sure who he is right now. Is he acting out? Is he really a jerk in disguise?
Is he really a player in disguise? I have no clue as to his motives.

If I resume talking to him, he'll tell me how he missed me and talk to me about how he loves me and cares for me etc. BUT, his actions speak differently.

I think I know the answers....It's just hard since it was the first time I let myself be vulnerable. I feel stupid that I chose him to open up to.

Am I wrong? Is he really a good guy acting like a jerk because I might have done something? Or is he just a selfish idiot I should stay away from?

What I want to know is am I being strung along? Does he want me for the wrong reasons? Why is he attracted to me or interested in me?

posted March 18, 2012 09:16 PM            

I have never hit anyone in my adult life and neither has he. But yes, we certainly can be vocal. I am more loud and blunt than he is. He likes to walk away from situations; I tend to stick around. : /

SaggiMC I didn't understand that part about mars and the north node. What did you mean by "it's the other way around"?

posted March 19, 2012 05:16 PM              

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Originally posted by Dreaming111:
Oh wow, I read that link you had sent me about mars and pluto....That's um terrifying.

I have never hit anyone in my adult life and neither has he. But yes, we certainly can be vocal. I am more loud and blunt than he is. He likes to walk away from situations; I tend to stick around. : /

SaggiMC I didn't understand that part about mars and the north node. What did you mean by "it's the other way around"?

I feel like a detective...hehe

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posted March 19, 2012 05:21 PM              

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Originally posted by Dreaming111:
Oh wow, I read that link you had sent me about mars and pluto....That's um terrifying.

I have never hit anyone in my adult life and neither has he. But yes, we certainly can be vocal. I am more loud and blunt than he is. He likes to walk away from situations; I tend to stick around. : /

SaggiMC I didn't understand that part about mars and the north node. What did you mean by "it's the other way around"?

I feel like a detective...hehe

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I did put a caveat in there ....

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Mars square or opposition Pluto
Mars square Pluto
You have a tendency to impose your will upon others, which can cause severe problems for yourself when they react in self-defense. You have a hair-trigger temper and may even resort to verbal or physical abuse when upset. Learning to react to unpleasant circumstances with your intellect rather than your emotions comes with maturity.

It is all too easy for you to find something negative about a situation. Avoid issuing ultimatums when you meet an obstacle. Instead, find a way to convince others to work with you of their own free will. Ordinary life often seems drab and uninteresting to you and you must have something that stirs your imagination, some vision or ideal or dream to motivate you. You have a strong urge to act out your fantasies or to live your dream, and you will DO things that others only talk about or dream about. Artistic creation, drama, or other areas in which you can express yourself imaginatively are excellent for you.

You do not easily tolerate a dominating attitude in others. You have a healthy respect for power and authority, but only if it is handled fairly. http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/marsplutoaspects.html

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Mars square Pluto
The square formed between Mars and Pluto produces a forceful nature. Often your actions can be described only as reckless. Yet you are cautious and secretive about your projects, especially as you mature and develop. When frustrated, you may become abusive and display much temper. This aspect suggests that your sexual drive is strong, and may not be well controlled at times. This is a very physical aspect needing control and channeling. When you can control actions, this aspect can be positive as it shows a penchant for eliminating, by force, the unacceptable and unnecessary in your life. You can develop a very focused concentration on progressive issues. http://www.skyscript.co.uk/marsaspects.html#maspl

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posted March 19, 2012 06:35 PM            

Right, I got the information about the mars and pluto aspect, I was asking about the mars and north node aspect.

posted March 19, 2012 08:48 PM            

As an objective person that looks at charts, do you think that I should spend any more time on him?

If he's not a good person, given the mars and pluto, then I'd rather not go through that mess. Now that I think about it you had also mentioned mercury and neptune aspects in him....and the fact he's sexual with mars in 12th house. Then to top it off the venus and uranus. : /

Who am I kidding?

None seem to bode well for the outcome of ANY of his relationships.

posted March 20, 2012 07:44 PM              

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Originally posted by Dreaming111:
SaggiMC,

As an objective person that looks at charts, do you think that I should spend any more time on him?

If he's not a good person, given the mars and pluto, then I'd rather not go through that mess. Now that I think about it you had also mentioned mercury and neptune aspects in him....and the fact he's sexual with mars in 12th house. Then to top it off the venus and uranus. : /

Who am I kidding?

None seem to bode well for the outcome of ANY of his relationships.

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You're asking me something that is extremely subjective here. Follow your gut instinct would be my best advices, everyone deserves respect and trust....

Astrology is a wonderful tool for self analysis, but even looking at the synastry it cannot make anything happen, that's upto you. |You are the captain of your ship love...

In the beginning of Liz Greene's (famous prolific author on astrology), “Astrology for Lover's” book there is a good chapter on What astrology can and can't do.
“Astrology is baffling because it works. What it's not is a way of foretelling the future, or of determining whether that tall dark stranger will turn up next week. To put it briefly the horoscope is a map of the psyche of the individual. it's a kind of blueprint, a seed plan, a model of the energies and drives which make up a person. Because it's calculated precisely for time and place, it's unique, unlike the sun sign column. Even identical twins are born at least four minutes apart, and in four minutes the picture has shifted.”

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Astrology can be used to help you in many ways. It can reveal damaging behavioral patterns or forewarn you of upcoming challenges. It can help you pinpoint latent talents you may possess and provide you with specific hints on how to best develop them. Astrology can also point out expansive, rewarding trends that are coming up and assist you in figuring out how to take advantage of them before they fade. Finally, astrology is an excellent means to determine the perfect timing for certain actions.

The beauty of astrology is that it will help you to always be in complete control of your life. Astrology is not fortune telling: but it is a recognition that we have free will. We know we are not controlled by the planets, but the planets do create a certain atmospheres of constriction or ease, that keeps us on our toes. Alas, you cannot blame the planets and say, for example, Saturn made me do it! The few times I have said this to an audience, most people laugh it does sound funny.

“The planets work to help us help ourselves. By applying pressure, planets help us to overcome inertia. At other times, they help us to see unproductive or even self-destructive behavior that we may have never noticed before but that we can fix. Astrologers believe we must be accountable for our actions and to recognize that we do have choices. The study of astrology will help you sort out all your options and to act at the proper time. http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/whatastrologycandoforyou.html

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posted March 20, 2012 07:48 PM              

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When the Moon in your chart forms an aspect to your partner's Saturn

The hard (conjunction, square, and opposition) cross-aspects between the Moon and Saturn are powerful ones. Either one (or both) of you may have made it clear right from the start that this relationship was to be a serious or committed one. Whether or not it was verbalized, the air of responsibility is explicit. Although the relationship may begin with some element of enthusiasm, over time, you may feel the need to censor your feelings of dependency on the relationship and on the Saturn person for some reason or another. You, playing the role of the Moon, may sense a certain level of seriousness and even harshness or narrowness in the Saturn person that may not even exist in absolute terms. Your partner may not even be aware of this unconscious reaction to you. Whatever it is, you can feel somewhat constrained by the relationship, and unable to express the "child" within, simply because of the expectation that your partner may not approve, may not be capable of understanding, or may not be equipped to handle these expressions. The sense that you get is that your Saturn partner's needs for commitment are paramount, and that "frivolous" expressions of neediness or dependency wouldn't be appropriate. It may also be that situational factors are such that true emotional intimacy is blocked, even though both of you want to get closer to each other.

The caution here is to avoid too much "censoring" to the point that you feel emotionally isolated, misunderstood, or blocked. Does your Saturn partner truly benefit from this kind of "censoring"? Certainly not in the long run, because if it gets out of hand, your partner will lose touch with your deepest needs, fears, and desires. Emotional distance doesn't benefit either of you. Your relationship brings out the individual need for security and safety in you both, and you will certainly find a basic sense of safety with each other. Although you, in particular, may feel emotionally frustrated at times, there is a feeling of constancy and dependability in your partner that is very attractive. This relationship stands much chance of being a long-lasting one. However, it can have its fair share of ups and downs. Periods of emotional distance and subsequent feelings that the relationship may be too "heavy" to maintain are often followed by tearful and emotional "reunions" when both of you realize that you need each other desperately, and that your attachment runs deeper than is always apparent. It is easy to see, with this kind of pattern, that either or both of you could feel "trapped" together at times! But the truth of the matter is, given the depth of your attachment to each other, there is much to gain from working on the intimacy issues described above. http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry/moon_saturn_aspects.html

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posted March 22, 2012 04:50 PM            

I'm just extremely extremely confused.

I honestly worry about his fidelity, his sexxuality (That would be a nightmare if he told me that he lied to me about that. He's already told me a few things that turned me off and made me pause. Yes, he lied partially about his sexuality. He tells me that he's telling me the complete truth, but how am I just supposed to believe that when he lies to me so often.)

I'm sorry I put you in that position to lol pick for me...I guess I was desperate that if maybe someone knew what was going on they would warn me before I fell into the well.

posted June 26, 2012 02:17 PM            

What is it that I'm getting from this relationship, or what is keeping me around?
Am I supposed to improve in a certain aspect of my life before my lesson is over?

I kinda want to get the lesson over with or at least understand the area I need to focus on.

If you would kindly guide me to an answer or give me some direction that would be great.

Thanks