posted March 16, 2012 06:22 PM            

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posted March 16, 2012 07:02 PM            

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Why do you say this?... I have scorp mars conjunct pluto by 2 degree orb, and I'm a pacifist, in fact pride myself upon non-reactivity and not being aggressive. So I'm not too sure about this generalization Saggi

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posted March 18, 2012 12:47 AM            

Never saw them as particularly violent, if anything they're extremely passive-aggressive (moreso than any other mars sign) and if they feel like they've been slighted, they will cut someone out, regardless of how long they've known the person or how much they cared about them.

Honestly, if you actually cared about someone you wouldn't cut them out, and I don't tolerate such behavior.

I could see them being violent if they had other chart aspects, and more like violence out of passion or revenge. They're not intelligent enough to take actual revenge or plan anything out, the ones I know do take revenge but it's pretty brainless and basically they will sit around and talk crap and spread rumors and slander the person's name. Or maybe make passive-aggressive statuses that are thinly veiled insults towards that person on facebook or blog posts. Or they'll try to act like they're living well as a form of revenge or something.

posted March 18, 2012 03:38 AM            

I am relieved that most mars in Scorpio take the high route. I, myself have Mars square Pluto 2* and I do not even wish any ill will on another human being, never have. My Mars is in the 7th so perhaps that's why.

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posted March 18, 2012 03:52 AM            

Mars opposite Pluto and Mars square Pluto are openly aggressive. In my experience, when you ask them if they are aggressive they usually say that they are.. and that they've hit people before during an argument.

posted March 18, 2012 04:10 AM            

I know another girl with Scorpio Mars who always tells me about fights she has at home with her family and she said she often breaks things and she feels like she cannot stop herself. She said she gets so angry sometimes she could break everything in her house.

I know a guy with Scorpio Mars who slapped his gf twice because his gf said something nasty about his mum. He said he did not intend to slap her so hard.. but he accidentally knocked one of her teeth out. I got his gf's chart and she also had a Scorpio Mars. Well that night she waited until he fell asleep (he had been drinking), she tied him up grabbed his belt and started whipping him with it in his sleep.. and he woke up with blood all over his chest.

There was another guy I used to know with the Mars/Pluto conj in Scorpio. He was not aggressive as far as I know.. but he used to tell me that he would really want to be in an enormous amount of pain both physical and emotional.. He would want to know what it is like to be in so much pain to the extent where he would feel numb and wish to die.

sigh.... so yeah... heavy stories...

posted March 18, 2012 04:38 AM            

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I know a girl with Scorpio Mars who used to hit her alcoholic SO. Me & a friend were at their place once and he came home drunk. She pushed him, shoved him.. slapped him, slammed him into a wall. Every time he tried to get out of bed she pushed him back into bed and told him to stay there and sleep. The last time he did that - she actually hit him over the back with an umbrella and again told him to stay there. He has a Leo Mars.

I know another girl with Scorpio Mars who always tells me about fights she has at home with her family and she said she often breaks things and she feels like she cannot stop herself. She said she gets so angry sometimes she could break everything in her house.

I know a guy with Scorpio Mars who slapped his gf twice because his gf said something nasty about his mum. He said he did not intend to slap her so hard.. but he accidentally knocked one of her teeth out. I got his gf's chart and she also had a Scorpio Mars. Well that night she waited until he fell asleep (he had been drinking), she tied him up grabbed his belt and started whipping him with it in his sleep.. and he woke up with blood all over his chest.

There was another guy I used to know with the Mars/Pluto conj in Scorpio. He was not aggressive as far as I know.. but he used to tell me that he would really want to be in an enormous amount of pain both physical and emotional.. He would want to know what it is like to be in so much pain to the extent where he would feel numb and wish to die.

sigh.... so yeah... heavy stories...

But then my mum is not aggressive - She has a Scorpio Mars. She's very controlled and calm. Maybe they are just in extremes. And also Mr. Leo has a Scorpio Mars and he is more passive aggressive like someone was saying above. He can be aggressive in a more psychological way, rather than a physical way.

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That sounds familiar *shudders* On Christmas Eve, right before I was to deliver our child, he got out of the car in a rage when we were on our way home because I said how i didn't want our daughter to go over to his mom's house because I felt it was very unsanitary. His mother lives in a tiny trailer with 3 huge dogs and like 12 or so cats, and its completely filthy. I once cleaned that place and made it really nice (my nose was filled with dust for the next day) and it was back to "normal" the next week. Anyway, being peace loving stupid little me, I got out of the car to try and calm him down because I just wanted to go home, so he shoved me downhill so hard my eyes went black and I still remember the sound in my hear from when my head smacked the ground. I delivered on the 28th. Another time, when I came home "late" from hanging out with my friend, he held my head under water while I was taking a bath and when i cried hysterically afterwards because im afraid of water, he was like "Quit being a drama queen, it wasn't that long". And he has backhanded me to the point that my tooth was loose, not a week after I took him back the first time. Those are just s few of the hundredths of examples I cared to type up.

Sigh, he never learned. And possibly the scariest thing he did was hit his face when he didn't get his way. I mean really hard, he bled, swelled, bruised, everything. He broke a thick ceramic cup against his head once.

posted March 18, 2012 05:59 AM            

Fortunately, not *every* Scorpio Mars person is physically abusive.

I do agree that they can be passive-aggressive, so you'd better be careful with what you tell them/how you treat them.

On another note, I think Mars conjunct Pluto is more "peaceful" than Mars in Scorpio alone because Pluto can annhiliate what it touches (in order to transform it), so in this case, Mars doesn't act as impulsively and isn't as aggressive as a regular Mars.

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I am so sorry you went through that Lava Flower That makes me sooooooooooooo angry. People like that should be in a mental institution. The fact that he would do that when you were pregnant.. OMG I could strangle this guy!!!!! and I don't even know you. That is so disgusting for a man to do that to his pregnant wife... That's one of the most disgusting and low things I've heard in a long time.
He should NOT be out on the streets. He has serious mental issues!!

I am so glad that you are out of this situation. You are very brave person and I know that you will be OK now that he is out of your life!

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Thank you Betty Boop You know, it was a really bad experience. But boy did I toughen up. And it would do me some good to join him in that mental institution for a bit. I put up with that crap for more then 5 years. Darn that Saturn AND my 7th house ruler being conjunct his Sun 0*.

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I've been in three different relationships with men who had mars in scorpio (they conj my desc) and two out of that three were very dangerous, thats all I can really say on it. The one that wasn't had mars conj neptune 1* and operated more like a mars in pisces I think, he was passive.

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I don't think mars is scorpio on it's own is the culprit it needs uranus or pluto afflicting it...

mars hard aspect to uranus shows a bad temper and quick actions, impulsive even

mars/pluto as discussed on OP other thread can attract AND give out violence.

Sometimes mars/saturn errupts. You always hear in the news of men that have been placid all their lives and then suddenly act out of character and murder someone. This could be the built up frustration and crippled mars in actions by saturn...

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Why do you say this?... I have scorp mars conjunct pluto by 2 degree orb, and I'm a pacifist, in fact pride myself upon non-reactivity and not being aggressive. So I'm not too sure about this generalization Saggi

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A lot can depend on house position. sometimes if one of them is in 6th it can suggest surgery. If anuglar it would be more visible..

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Mars conjunct Pluto
The conjunction of Mars and Pluto shows a very strong desire nature with the persistence and determination to get what you want. Your nature is to be more interested in the battle than in the fruits of the conquest. You handle extreme pressure very well, and in a crises situation you can be relied upon to manage affairs with skill and authority. In love, you are assertive and possessive. Physical needs and demands are notably strong. This is a highly emotional aspect. If not controlled, this aspect may cause you to be brutal or cruel. http://www.skyscript.co.uk/marsaspects.htmlmacpl
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You will have a dislike of restrictions imposed upon you, always having a need for as much freedom as possible. If you feel that your energy is imprisoned, then you will be looking for the way out, feeling that before too long your energy will explode, and this can be quite uncomfortable. To minimise this, you should try to develop your life so that your choices of partner and work are reasonably compatible with your needs, if only to avoid unnecessary inner friction. http://www.strangehouse.com/natal-aspects/mars-conjunct-pluto-2.html

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the thing with these aspects, the person 'should' be doing something physical, like mountain climbing, martial arts, bungjee jumping,boxing the riskier the better. this would be a good outlet for these aspects. So what might happen if the mars energy is not used positively could leak out into massive control features, which ultimately turn into some kind of violence

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Mars-Pluto Aspects—What What Determines How They’re Used?

©2009 by Donna Cunningham, MSW

Note: This is an excerpt from Donna Cunningham’s ebook, Outer Planet Aspects to Venus and Mars: The Outer Planets and Inner Life, Volume 2, available at http://www.moonmavenpublications.com/astrologybooks.html. It appears here with permission of the author.

Many astrologers view Mars-Pluto aspects with trepidation. We can understand why, when both planets are labeled “malefic.” Named for the god of war, Mars represents such often-disowned functions as anger, aggression, and competitiveness. Pluto represents our will to power, and because power is so often abused, is typically disavowed and projected onto others. We all have both Mars and Pluto in our charts and need to integrate and express them constructively in order to be whole and free. Our collective unwillingness to own these planets within ourselves can make life difficult for people who have the aspect. Family, peers, and the collective project their shadow side onto Mars-Pluto people and then act on the projections to squelch overt expressions of this aspect.

Delving into the lives of individuals with this aspect, we find that some of them emphasize Mars’ characteristics more—and seem to do better—while others come down heavily on the side of Pluto. With Mars emphasized, these can be dynamic, courageous, and even downright sexy folks who live life with a good deal of spunk and zest and who make an intense impact on their world. They can be strong leaders, often on a crusade. The better qualities of Pluto come into it as well, for despite opposition and obstacles that would crush a lesser soul, they stay focused on very demanding goals, which often involve righting the wrongs around them. Magicians of a sort, once their intention is set, they seem to have a magnetic power to attract just the people, situations, and information they need in order to achieve their aims.

Others with this combination turn Mars’ energies in on themselves and get hung up in negative expressions of Pluto. Fueled by painful histories, they can be bitter, brooding, shame-ridden naysayers who poison their lives—and the lives of those close to them—with perpetual grievances and resentments that they can hold onto for decades. Distrustful of people, of God, and of life itself, these alienated souls may isolate to armor themselves against further betrayals. When isolation becomes too agonizing, they may latch tightly onto a highly significant other and build walls to enclose the two of them. Some pursue destructive actions for revenge or to defend what they view as rightfully theirs.

There can be a considerable difference between men and women in the ways Mars-Pluto aspects are used. Since men tend to be Mars-like—both by conditioning and to a certain extent hormonally—they’re more likely to express the Mars-warrior side. No matter how much we may have evolved, there’s still a pervasive expectation that men’s positions in society will be the dominant ones.

Given this collective expectation, some men with this aspect seize upon domination as their right and become Alpha males—war-like, whether in the military or not, or rising to positions of power in their workplace. Napoleon Bonaparte had a trine from Mars in Virgo to Pluto in Capricorn, while drug lord, Manuel Noriega had a tight square from Mars in Libra to Pluto in Cancer.

Despite decades of progress, it’s still not the done thing for women or girls to be too openly angry, assertive, ambitious, or competitive—all functions of Mars—and therefore many women learn to be covert in seeking power and control. Fearing disapproval, they often resort to subtle expressions of Pluto to get what they want. They may seduce, manipulate, and co-opt by “helpfulness,” or engage in psychological blackmail to gain the upper hand in relationships.

Women whose charts have Mars-Pluto combinations are in an unenviable position. They yearn for a certain kind of power—usually, the capacity to transform what they discern to be inequitable in their surroundings, especially abuses of power and betrayal of trust. When it arises from painful personal experiences, as it often does with this aspect, their anger over corruption can be strong. Yet, should they be too vocal, they’re labeled, not just as angry but perceived as dangerously unfeminine. However, with supportive chart patterns like trines and sextiles from other planets, with hard work at healing their wounds, and with the right opportunities, women with this aspect can become advocates for change, whether on the family, local, or societal level.

In any chart, what determines whether Mars or Pluto is the stronger? In part, the answers may be astrological—what kind of aspect is it and how close? What other planets aspect Mars or Pluto—and do those planets aspect both of them or only one? What signs and houses are involved? Are Mars or Pluto in the potent Gauquelin sectors 10° either side of the Ascendant, Midheaven, Descendant or IC? If so, which of them is closer to the angle? Naturally, you’d take into account all other planets aspecting Mars as well as any planets in Aries or Scorpio in order to get a clearer picture.

I don’t believe astrology holds a pat answer for this puzzle. People with Mars-Pluto trines can as easily misuse the combination as can hard aspects—and hard aspects don’t necessarily make you a hard case! Over the years, I’ve observed that orbs too wide for most astrologers—10° for a Mars-Pluto conjunction–can produce results as devastating—or as transformative—as the tightest of aspects. Study the natal chart for checks, balances, and mitigating factors. However, my work with clients suggests that the answer isn’t so much in the chart as in the soul. Foremost, the answer lies in the extent of childhood wounding to Mars and Pluto functions. For some, events have been far more traumatic than for others. Alcohol or substance abuse adds central nervous system irritability and “liverishness,” making it harder to access Mars’ energizing potentials. When childhood experiences set the person up to attract traumatic adult experiences that mirror the childhood ones, the wounds are worn even deeper and become harder to heal.

Experiences and healing efforts after childhood also modify the aspect’s effects. What opportunities, supports, and role models outside the family have people with this aspect had for developing the healthier expressions of the aspect? Most importantly, have they clung to destructive patterns or worked hard to overcome them, by their own capacity to heal themselves and with the help of therapists and healers? Success also helps ease their anger and alienation, giving much-needed peer validation and a sense of power and control over their lives.

About the Author: Donna Cunningham, MSW, is internationally-respected for her many books, articles, and columns on astrology, flower essences, and other metaphysical topics. She now teaches writing by teleseminar and correspondence course, as well as teleseminars and a correspondence course on astrology. Order her books at http://www.moonmavenpublications.com/astrologybooks.html and visit her blog at http://skywriter.wordpress.com http://www.celestialperspective.com/library/marspluto-aspectswhat-determines-theyre

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posted March 18, 2012 11:22 AM              

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I have Mars, Pluto, BML in the first house with Mars exact conjunct Lilith.

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I'm not suggesting EVERY mars/pluto aspect it going to 'experience' violence or attract violence either. BUT the penchant and energy is there, whether recognised or unrecognised...

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Your ability to commit yourself to a task or goal is tremendous. When inspired, you are able to draw upon great stores of strength and determination. You can be so single-minded and focused that you readily lose yourself in a particular task, possibly to the point of obsession! You can be very skilled at investigation and research. Quite automatically, you are interested in what motivates and drives others, which can make you a natural psychologist. You might find that you constantly challenge yourself to take on more and to do more. You might watch this tendency if it seems to take over your life, as you may never feel satisfied with your accomplishments. Your stamina and endurance tend to be stronger than most.

You don't take kindly to others' attempts to bully or push you, and you can be extremely stubborn when pushed. You are always especially aware of, and sensitive to, others' use of power and authority. Resentment can be a problem and letting things go can be very challenging. Your gut reactions are rather intense and emotional in quality. As you mature, you are likely to learn that detaching yourself a little helps you to be more objective and constructive.

You might have some fear of your own anger, assertiveness, power, and drive, particularly early in life if your intense nature has been misunderstood. You are not always forthcoming about your intentions and plans, and you typically strategize well in pursuit of a goal rather than go after what you want loudly and directly. While this means you can out-maneuver practically anyone, and although your determination is admirable, you might watch for a somewhat paranoid tendency to keep your plans to yourself if this stems from fear that your intentions will be misunderstood. Whether or not you choose to take advantage of others is entirely up to you. There is an "all or nothing" quality to your nature. You put your heart into whatever it is you are doing, and although breaking ties or ending things can be challenging, once you've done it, there's no going back.

You possess a fascinating, alluring, and even commanding aura. You prefer that others see you as strong and in control. Allowing trusted people to see your more vulnerable qualities can take time.

Your strong desire to make things happen through your own efforts can bring you much success. "What will be, will be" is certainly not your motto. However, this same quality can sometimes limit you, as you would benefit from more detachment and the discovery that some things can't or shouldn't happen just now.

#At some point in your life you may feel that the gods or goddesses step in to impose changes on you. What you make of these moments determines your spiritual future. Generally, whatever effort you make will be well worth your time http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/marsplutoaspects.html

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do you do any sports? are you competative?

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^ LOL describes almost to a T this one Mars in Scorp that I know. Except that she can plan out (exalted Mercury) & execute (domiciled Mars) elaborate and effective revenge that will hit you at the gut level and the bank account. (And no facebook or blog, she's too old to have one.)

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Of course if one or both were retrograde it would be a completely different matter to,.

MARS IN SIGNS
ARIES In its element (own sign). Fiery. Gives willpower, energy and courage. Enthusiastic to the point of going along regardless. Impulsive and can spark off enthusiasm in others. Headstrong independency. Much physical stamina. Energetic and assertive, these people are leaders in their field. They are impulsive, impatient and not good at coping with opposition. They exacerbate practical problems by carelessness.

TAURUS Your energy will be used to be financially independent. Very practical. Strong muscles. Possess great determination. Although usually peaceful, if they are pushed beyond patience, can be strong fighters. Hobbies gardening (especially rockeries),pottery, sculpture. Practical, capable and consistent, these people often get things done in the most sensible way. Their are obstinate, however, and not good at adapting to new circumstances.

GEMINI Much mental activity curiosity. Talks too much, will interrupt then apologise! Engineering and mechanical skills. Love of debate. Like to do many things and have multiple interests. ie Good reporters, journalists. May try many different jobs. Like lighthearted arguments. These people often have sharp minds which they an apply to practical problems. They may take on too many tasks at the same time, and by spreading themselves too thinly may delay success.

CANCER Good imagination. Feelings for home and family very strong. Like D.I.Y yourself in your home. Problems with parents in early life. Strong need to nurture with people, animals that are unable to look after themselves.( Will tell family what’s best for them!) Actions are dominated by emotional commitment and imagination rather than by practical considerations. They are sometimes prone to emotional outbursts.

LEO Energy creativity and willpower. Like to finish jobs you have started. Fond of children. Many hobbies. Able to organise and delegate. May get irritable but without giving offence. Do things in a big way. Show and need to be loved and cherished. Theatrical and dramatic, these people brook no opposition to their grand schemes. Often their actions are impressive and creative, but sometimes they are impractical and lack substance.

VIRGO Very analytical. Practical and capable worker. Interested in health and diets. Fussy and highly critical, but quick to understand other people’s viewpoint. Active intellect must have satisfaction. Always on the lookout for interesting new things. This is an excellent combination for those involved in crafts or any precise practical activity. They have a flair for detail, thrive on routine, but lack imagination.

LIBRA Like to initiate social activities. You need to be noticed and appreciated. Like to act in partnerships. May seek an ¬energetic and aggressive partner. Can become angry when justice is aggravated. Difficult for you to say unkind thing. Energy is best used to restore harmony and balance, perhaps by developing artistic skills, or by reconciling people in conflict. Their awareness of opposing choices can lead to indecision or to an interesting range of experiences and skills in strategy.

SCORPIO Lots of physical strength and energy. Should not be restrained, but guided in the right direction. Undaunted and passionate. At your best in a crisis. Good sex drive. Guard against jealousy. Unable to forgive personal injustices. Very business like and appreciate plans and like to be accurate. These people are invariably drawn to enigmatic and mysterious activity and bring emotional commitment to whatever they do. Their motivations are so strong that it is usually impossible to deflect them from a chosen course of action.

SAGITTARIUS Strong religious and philosophical convictions. Direct and open attitudes. Good crusaders. Strong sense of patriotism. Fond of parades, pomp and military bands. Drawn to far away places. Tend to scatter their energy. Natural preachers or teachers. It can take a lifetime for these people to achieve their ¬far flung ambitions. They set their sights on distant heights and leave others to sort out the details. They often become travelers.

CAPRICORN. Exalted Great capacity for hard work, in order to get to the top. Patience and perseverance they keep trying. Ambitious and a strong sense of responsibility and discipline. Wants and usually get respect cannot stand waste of any kind. Don’t waste time or words. These people have a sound practical approach which makes them well fitted to be engineers and mechanics. They are best suited to living and working at a practical level.

AQUARIUS Strong desire for freedom to be able to pursue your own interests. This energy could be well directed to helping others in social work and group activities. Highly intelligent, willing to study hard on chosen subject. Friendships are very important to them. These people seek radical solutions to old problems. Too often these are find in theory but chaotic in practice. They are idealistic but impractical. Can be very private people who like their own physical space, not overly demonstrative though.

PISCES Very often feel misunderstood. Especially in childhood. Excess emotional sensitivity, can stand in the way of self confidence. Likes diplomacy. Very fond of music and artistic pursuits. This is the most impractical position for Mars. Although intuition and imagination helps these people to find the most attractive and sometimes the most sensible way of doing things, they usually lack the necessary skills.

MARS IN HOUSES
lst House Got to be first. Are aggressive and outgoing. They have an abundance of energy, but should learn to think before they act. They are not content to be bystanders in life. A keen drive makes them seek personal recognition and they guard their freedom fiercely. Not good on team work. Good starters but not finishers. Assertive and energetic, these people usually put their own interests first. However, they apply equal vigour and flair when doing things for other people.

2nd House These people actively pursue the desire for financial gain in order to make life more comfortable and luxurious. They have good business ability and are enthusiastic workers. May wish to run their own business. Want money to make them independent. A great deal of energy is put into earning a spending money. Self employment is attractive to these people. They are competitive in business and inclined to take risks.

3rd House Will have an aggressive, active intellect. They are quick to learn, especially in an emergency, but are rather quick to jump to conclusions. They are direct in speech and make good reporters, commentators or involved with machinery connected with communications. Argue with everyone. Learn to turn rows into debates. Speeding tickets quite possible! These people are quick in mind and speech. They are forceful in putting their own ideas across, tactless and argumentative. They are restless and fond of travel. Their interests may lie in research work.

4th House Much energy will be expended in the home and there will be a desire to dominate the domestic scene. The need to improve living conditions is always present. They often inherit land or property from parents. A need for domestic harmony is important. Arguments at home learn to laugh at yourself. Untidy house possibility. Domestic concerns occupy a good deal of energy, both in terms of practical jobs to be done and difficult relationships to be resolved. These people like to be in control in the home and do not take kindly to opposition.

5th House Enjoyment of love and pleasure is notable here, who will pursue love affairs aggressively and emotionally. Children and hobbies are the concerns of this house, as are physical education and competitive sports. They make good instructors and organisers. Hyperactive children in eyes of parents, (kids make a lot of noise). For women with Mars here, quick births. The position brings energy and vigour to all creative social and romantic activities. If too much time is spent entertaining, it will detract from artistic development. These people may put pressure on their children to succeed.

6th House Energy and skill are expressed in their work, for they are hard energetic workers who have little patience with people who are lazy. Will always display skill and precision. Surgery possible and or workaholics. Make good leaders if well aspected. Hardworking conscientious and competitive, these people are good employees as long as they have the chance to get on. They are impatient and do not find it easy to handle delays or obstacles. They will clash with colleagues who stand in their way. Health may be affected by impatient and reckless behaviour.

7th House They will be aggressively involved with partnerships or in working with the public. Marriage arguments partners may be combined with business ventures. There may be a need to learn tact and diplomacy when dealing with others. Will be attracted to lively partners. If partner does not share liveliness will turn into resentment. Mars person must SHARE with quieter person. These people are sociable, outgoing and tend to organise other people’s affairs. Their energy makes them popular, but they can offend by their forthright and outspoken ways. Emotional relationships may be formed and broken on impulse.

8th House Powerfully placed. Strong desires and emotional intensity. Persistence and energy are expended on getting things done. They have a powerful sex drive and leanings towards the occult. They often have an interest in joint finances, legacies or insurance. Over possessiveness can cause friction. These people have intense deep motivations. Some develop an interest in the occult or mysticism, some form a series of sexual relationships, others become involved in business and high finance.

9th House Matters involving long distance travel. They are also crusaders who will promote the ideals they believe in. They will work towards inspiring others to the more ethical values in life. Their actions can be highly effective and they will seek ¬adventure on a wide scale. Higher education. Astrology. If over worked, causes allergies and eczema. Travel is vital for these people as it absorbs their surplus energy. They have strong beliefs and will promote them ¬passionately.

l0th House Exalted. Bit of a show off. Work is aimed towards achieving fame and status and they will be energetic in pursuing their career. There is a strong drive to reach the top in their profession. This is a powerful planet to have here. They make good political leaders and have a strong initiative. Feel it necessary to prove to family, role models and themselves that they can make it! Ambitious and competitive, these people choose careers which give the best opportunities for personal advancement. They perform better as employers than employees, but cant be too ruthless

llth House Energy is directed towards friendships and group activities. There could be good mechanical ability and an aptitude for inventiveness. There will be an appreciation for computers and all modern aids. They desire to improve conditions for all, but especially friends and co workers and their lives. Need vibrant friends that are like minded. These people attract a vast number of casual acquaintances, all of whom are superficially close. They are attracted to political and organised groups but may antagonise them by their abrasive manners.

l2th House Desires and actions will be strongly influenced by the unconscious mind. Work and other activities can be carried out in solitude or secrecy. They often work in institutions in order to lose their personal identity. Need to be more open and honest about anger. Headaches common here (also migraine). Work behind the scenes, perhaps dedicated to a cause, is likely, but so is conspiracy and plotting. Unless a cause is found there is a lack of purpose and direction. Anger tends to be bottled up.

posted March 18, 2012 11:29 AM              

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Originally posted by Lava Flower:
Thank you guys for the reply's!! The reason I asked is because this individual, at least the man I knew, did appear somewhat likely to take revenge. I say this because he has said multiple times that if I leave him he would come after me and my family. I'm not sure how seriously I should take that threat, so I asked. His Jupiter is in Aries, his Sun and Merc are in Cap. His Venus and Moon are in Aqua. I do not know his TOB.

I am relieved that most mars in Scorpio take the high route. I, myself have Mars square Pluto 2* and I do not even wish any ill will on another human being, never have. My Mars is in the 7th so perhaps that's why.

19* Scorpio is the mars south node, so I imagine that's a of negative instinctive tendencies. It's just like Aquarius 11* is the Neptune SN. I now know two 19* Scorpio mars men and both of them are extremely emotional, passionate, explosive, yet responsible, hard working, loyal and "unnaturally" physically strong.

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that's a VERY active Angular place for mars to be and suggests combative situations on it's own to..

Physically strong can also be mars in cappi as it's exalted in this sign.

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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
Now... that's scary!!!

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posted March 18, 2012 03:09 PM            

The most 'intimate intensity' ('his words') I ever experienced in my life. Well, with such a self control gained through sport it almost can't be a coincidence that HE's the only one that could truly satisfy me in this area.

Lava, do you talk about the Heliocentric Mars nodes at 19'** Taurus/Scorp? For what I see yes. My Mars is at 19'31 Aqua and I read about these Nodes a while ago and the importance (in transit/synastry) of natal planets around that degree in any fixed sign. Do you have natal planets on these points yourself?