posted June 08, 2012 10:57 AM            

My first tarot reading was positive so i am going to hold strong and wait out the retro period.

Yes, we all fall guilty of ansking the same question from either tarot or other divination tools lol... Its a viscious cycle.

For a long time i had my own theory that if the same similar outcome was concluded from tarot, then their is a trend and the cards that popped up frequently should be looked at closely.... Maybe its time to tweek that theory that by the 3rd time Its only picking up on your hopes and wishes. Reflecting your hearts desire.

If you get different results you are not asking the right question from what tarot wants to tell you.

Maybe a short 3 card spread with maybe a clarifying card is best for repeat questions and the questions should be... where do we stand as of of today?

The first card is the other person.
The middle card is the heart matter/issue
The third card is you.

posted June 08, 2012 06:18 PM            

Well I've been reading some articles lately and one in particular about horary made go, huh?!

It was about casting a second horary chart if for whatever reason you were not happy with the first one lol also 3 months in between is not necessarily the rule of thumb. More like when progress/change has occurred. And real not imagined change lol.

I was wondering if that could also apply to tarot. When new energy/improvements/talks have happened between (for example and for the sake of arguments) a couple. then it would be appropriate to ask a clarification question about the impact of such talks/ movement/ change to the current relationship.

posted June 08, 2012 11:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Junethird:
Thanx WP!

Well I've been reading some articles lately and one in particular about horary made go, huh?!

It was about casting a second horary chart if for whatever reason you were not happy with the first one lol also 3 months in between is not necessarily the rule of thumb. More like when progress/change has occurred. And real not imagined change lol.

I was wondering if that could also apply to tarot. When new energy/improvements/talks have happened between (for example and for the sake of arguments) a couple. then it would be appropriate to ask a clarification question about the impact of such talks/ movement/ change to the current relationship.

I pulled a few cards for myself and Iam still meditating on them. I am trying to be as objective as possible lol

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Energy is always changing - and I think if you want different answers - ask different questions!

It is hard to be objective - so hard to remain detached from wanting something. I just did (FINALLY) your career reading on that other thread (from like a week/half ago)...I'll get to this one next (you're one of my favorites - sssshhhh....don't say anything)

posted June 09, 2012 01:02 AM            

It's very hard to be objective. I tried reading the cards as if we're for someone else. But I couldn't help but tweak it a little. No good.

posted June 09, 2012 11:20 AM            

Is J the man who missed being with you on your birthday?

And, is J the man you long to have a family with?

I'd like to most certainly address the children question - whether or not they have to do with J. because I know how important they are to you - in the reading -- but if you only want to know if J. will be who you have a child with, I'd like to respect your position.

Let me know, I can read this morning - and have a clearer idea how to guide this reading and which questions to ask.

posted June 09, 2012 12:12 PM            

Iam going to let you take over this one for me

although I would love for me and j to have kids. We already discuss it. We are (taking current situation into account, although it does take one time to make a baby ) not in the best circumstances to have, let alone try to get myself preggers. Again, just like the marriage thing. It woul be a nice outcome in due time.

posted June 09, 2012 09:56 PM            

Been playing with my daughter all day - I'll be back on this board in a few hours refreshed and looking forward to reading!

posted June 18, 2012 11:27 PM            

I am so sorry I haven't read for you darling. Honestly, I'm going to take a minute here to acknowledge that this has been on my mind, and I've been feeling badly (so I'm going to forgive myself now) - and get this bumped back up.

As you know, I've been making a lot of positive changes in my life - which are requiring a lot of time and dedicated energy to myself. But I definitely want to do this reading as we've discussed it so many times - and so, now that you've bumped this (and I am grateful you have) - and my reply has bumped it - I will clear time for this tomorrow evening.

I'm on the Pacific Coast of North America - so that's PST. You'll have your reading on the New Moon - all works out as it's meant to love.

Thank you for bumping this, and knowing that my intention is and always has been to read for you.

posted June 18, 2012 11:52 PM            

Iam glad you are taking time for yourself and yours to make positive changes during this rx. It will bring in much new positive energy and clarity...

In all honesty, i bumped this post to pass on the message and remind others what tarots msg is when the cards are the same time and time again...

I think i have come to understand stagnation, hopeful, wishful outcome... Iam closer to my clarity in tarot than i was before

Tarot gives clarity and truth... when its seeker asks with an open heart and mind to the different possibilites and their question is just, real and prevelent to their situation and truthful/accurate to their circumstance..

Tarot is in the moment. Freewill changes everything in a heartbeat.... The cards guide you to your inner light, the silver lining among dark clouds..

Like one kind member pointed out... Nothing is written in stone. The future, fate is yours to make it what you wish.

Life does not help, those who do not help themselves.

Life/love is not easy...sigh, dont i know it lol... But to get your just rewards you must overcome obstacles... It sucks big time but time does reveal all.

Less than 10 days till venus turns direct! Woot woot!!

Bless. Lets live in hope that all will end well

Ps: I look forward to reading the message from your cards. Whatever outside influences, women/friends/family you pick up. Please let me know. Iam open to seeking the truth.

posted June 19, 2012 02:11 AM            

What do you think this blue moon will bring?

posted June 19, 2012 08:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Junethird:
Wild places,

What do you think this blue moon will bring?

Iam gem sun and J is gem moon

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I have been so focused on creating my own reality - I honestly haven't even realized this is a Blue Moon! That's awesome! I feel incredibly good about the second New Moon in Gemini - its energy is like, solidifying what started in all of us at the Solar Eclipse. The Full Moon at the Lunar Eclipse and Full Moon at the beginning of the month was that transformative energy that (in my case) was paradigm shifting. You probably felt it like a bolt on the Solar Eclipse - then it was more gently nudged in at the lunar events (emotional though). Our experiences would be positive/negative based on our charts and transit aspects I suppose.

SO this second new moon, should definitely reaffirm the energy with less impact than the day of the eclipse. If we're in the flow of our path - it will be awesome! If we're out of alignment, I think it's going to be very clear which areas of our lives that is. The Venus Rx has been also incredibly helpful during all of this lunar cycles, and with Jupiter in the opposite house of its ruler - its all good!

Looking forward to reading for you - and thanks for all your loving energy and positive thoughts!

posted June 19, 2012 11:51 PM            

June feels for J when her fears and anxieties aren't in the way, that he is akin to the energy of The Emperor. For June, J embodies alpha male strength, wisdom, and prowess, tempered with patience and generosity. There is a sense that he is an older-soul, even if a younger man in age - that she learns from him, and benefits from his presence. A sense of belonging to him. Absolute adoration and admiration are reflected in this card. Also, complete trust in his decision-making - and this is pinnacle to note - when June is NOT bound by her own fears/anxieties about how he feels for her or what his motivations are. June feels he is so powerful - that if allowing her fears/anxieties to get the better of her, that reverence can turn to dependence and lack of control over her own comfort.

J feels for June (without her fear influencing the card)
2 of Disks:

J's feelings towards June are of consequence to him - June is of great significance - but it's as though his feelings leave him uncomfortable enough to question what he's doing - and weigh his options. The easiest metaphor is the stereotypical "commitment-phobe" guy - but I'm not entirely sure here. I do KNOW that no matter how you behave, this is how he would feel. Like on one hand, he's examining living the rest of his life with you; and on the other, he's examining letting go and starting again. This is definitely his issue (and frankly, if you weren't of such importance to him, this issue wouldn't even come up)- and I will drill-down on it with a clarifying card.

What is J questioning regarding the relationship with June?
XVI The Tower:

I thought that the whole "commitment-phobe" thing was a stereotype that jumped out at me, but now I'm going to say that was my intuition. J is REALLY afraid of how much he values you - so much so that it's like he's blocking a lot of his love and stuck at the whole 2 of Disks with you, to protect himself from his ultimate concern: that his heart is going to be broken. That if he really truly gives his heart to you - he'll lose you. J's got some abandonment issues going on related to women - check-in with what you know about his relationship to his mother - they might seem close - but if his parents are divorced, I'm getting a strong YES that he blames his mom and doesn't trust women.

3-6 Month outcome with June and J:
2 of Swords:

'Cooler heads prevail', keeps jumping out at me. Actually - I'm getting a lot here, so keep up with this stream of consciousness - I know you can: IV - Emperor (how you feel for him), 2 of Disks (how he feels for you, Disks are feminine like cups), 2 of Swords (3-6 months, Swords are masculine, like wands) - you note the sum of these cards is equal to how you feel for him - 4? and there's a merging of feminine and masculine principles? Also, look at the merging of the blues/greens and red on the 2 of Swords...I'm reading the cards spread with the 2 of Disks directly above the Tower - so it's like the energy of the 2 of Disks quells or overrules the energy of the Tower. Visualize that to feel it. Okay - that's the train of thought. Now, to put it succinctly, you two will be spending time both together and apart, and keeping your hearts OPEN to each other - while simultaneously dealing with your inner issues. This is a time for growth and transformation - and a lot of talking and action. I don't see you two falling apart or to pieces - you two are committed to eachother - but you might want to be the bold one pretty soon and let him know how you feel, what you're afraid of, what you intuit he's afraid of - and that you'd like to transform together.

It strikes me that we ALL hold back in our relationships, afraid to really give the full content of our hearts to the ones we love because at some point, in our lives, we did - and that love went unrequited. But love is an amazing gift - and to hold any of it back, is actually hurtful. It is the source of anxieties, mythologies about our lovers and what they think/feel/mean or didn't mean...it's the origination of all breakdowns in communication. And basically, if we tell someone how freaking much we love them - how fantastic we think they are for all the innumerous reasons - and they aren't receptive - well, that hurts; but ultimately, we can get up and love again. They are the ones with the heart that is still closed. Spill the beans June - all of them. See what happens!

What can June learn from her relationship with J?
King of Wands:

Refer to my paragraph above - that is what this card is about. And for some keywords: "Master of your own energy, soul, spirituality, creativity, life force, passions through knowledge and experience. Justice, righteousness, illumination of what was previously dark". Holding anything back lovely? Make sure you're totally loving yourself - give it to yourself - and then don't hold back - give J all the beautiful love you have for him. Without fear - you already know what the worst that could happen is - you've been living it for at least as long as I've known you on these boards, Junebug. I say that with SO much love and compassion - please know that. I am not sitting here spouting off from a soapbox like this is easy stuff to do - I've been doing it. Such a big hug for you love.

And by the way - that's an amazing gift for you to get from this relationship. If his ONLY purpose in your life is to spark teaching you the lesson of the King of Wands - WOW. That's HUGE. Be incredibly grateful for his presence.

Outcome beyond 3-6 months between June and J:
XIX The Sun:

(I'm also gonna throw this out here - when cutting the deck - The Lovers made an appearance).
This is a very positive new start for you and J. As you can see, the sun is behind the King of Wands - so it strikes me you and J both will be empowered to your higher selves, to speak your truth in love - and begin anew together. The Sun is a forward-looking card, so I see you both ready to start talking/thinking/and embracing your future together while really enjoying the present. Should be some very solid times ahead of you.

posted June 21, 2012 01:47 AM            

I left my reply last night thats so weird its gone poof!!

Ive had time to reflect some more... So i will leave another reply.

WIld Places,

Thank you. Big huggssss!!

I think i understand your msg. Essentially saying to open all that my heart has been harbouring these last few months... Good and bad.

If i may add, i do think i have already had a few good conversations with him, even asked him last week if he wanted to be a bachelor for the rest of the summer, because this confusion is frustrating. He said no. But the standstill, the sluggishness still remains so. Its been almost close to a month since i last saw him... Had a few casual conversations here and there... We are planing to see each other in about 2/3 weeks... So i guess we will see.

His parents are very much together. Overall, I believe he has friction with his father.

I dont really have much hope let alone much strength to hold on... Iam actually quite tired of being told that iam "moody"...

When in reality i feel that i have every right to be sad, upset even angry bcos he came back to me 4 yrs later (after i walked away from him the first time I dunno if u would call it dumping... I just walked. We came to a fork in the road and to me it seemed like he made his choice. Nothing verbal... He did come back, but by then I had changed my number on purpose. We reunited 6 months later. But I was still angry and his stupid indisiveness, it was too much. He stood me up for a fireworks show for 9pm, only to call me at 11:30pm, which i ignored, and then he sends me a dumb text saying he wanted to be with me but couldn't. I didn't make too much of a fuss... I knew he wanted me to beg him fight for him because he blamed me for making him suffer when I first walked away and changed my number. Needless to say it blew up big time at a club. And now fast forward 4 years. Here we are ) he come back guns ablazing, with a production of i love you, marriage, kids asking me if i loved him... To now have it thrown in my face that he doubts my feelings for him and that he doesnt trust me...blah blah blah.

Ok i admit, in the begining i waffled a bit... He caught me off guard, but once i gathered my nerves and said i love you back to him, and said yes. Its been this dumb push/pull. The very fact that he can turn on/off a cold silent attitude is starting to be a major turn off and deeply hurting. Its been driving me mental.

I dont understand what the issue is now... I said i love you, ive gone to see him multiple times, just for him to act indifferent and busy but then when he finally shows up, usually the day that iam leaving, he has the balls to say and make the excuse that he didnt wanna hear me complain, deal with my moodiness, let alone be askd any questions or be held accountable for his actions because he now has showed up.

I dunno, i can only blame his venus in scorpio, mars in leo so much.

Weve known each other for 6 years, to mark that six years, i send him a very nice romantic text saying once in a lifetime you meet someone who changes everything. Six years ago we had our first date. I love you. Happy 6 years babe!! For him to reply back that its weird i would remember something like that. He doesnt. Which i know is not true on his part, because when we reconnected in february, thats what we talked about. That its been almost 6 years. But at the same time he has no problem telling people how long we have known each other too... Ie: stating iam not a random new girl in his life, but somone from his past.

I can prolly go on and on with other examples, but i will leave it at that for now... The only example to me is ignoring my 30th bday. I cant help but feel that at this point. Its just a mind game. Its very distressing to me and hurts my little cancer moon very deeply.

With all of my heart i do believe he is my soulmate, but iam starting to accept that maybe not the one for me. At 30/31 respectively, the game of love kinda changes. You dont go and get someones hopes up, specially a partner from the past, just to play the hot/cold distant game. Its ridiculous to me.

I thought i finally understood men but really... This situation just blows me out of the water. I dont get it.

The only thing i have is logic and that is " he is not into you"

Considering all of that back story... Your reading dear wild places, gives me some slight measure of hope. That maybe he is afraid of loosing me. Which from my point of view, he is doing a very good job at pushing me away... Even my Taurus rising is not putting up much of a fight anymore...

I will give him a nice, calmly, loving smack across the face and give him a very clear point of view from my end. At the end of the day i can and should say my peace truthfully and without holding anything back and let the cards fall where they will.

At the end of the day thats all i can do.

Thank you so much for this reading. Despite my dark brooding monologue of events.... This reading resonates with me deeply and its very accurate. The outcome we shall see

I accept your message with an open heart and mind. I find it to be truthful and well intended. The enegy and thought behind it comes with good intentions full of positivity and brightness. I live in hope

Thank you!!!

Bright blessings to you and you daughter.

posted June 21, 2012 01:57 AM            

Been reading back your spread....

Can you explain to me the king of wands alittle bit more...?