posted June 14, 2012 04:51 PM            

I don't know if this has been talked about before here but there are some questions in my mind, for those who went through this or at least know couples with Saturn Venus double whammy who broke up.

- Is it possible for someone who stays some time (in this case 9 years) in a relationship with a lover having this double whammy in sinastry simply dont love the other person? Ever? Or at least many years like, for instances, only love the other person 2/3 years?

- Does the other person ever recovers from this. I mean, does the person left behind ever feel complete again, or at least continues living without the feeling that there's something missing? Can she/he love ever again feeling complete? Not stuck in the past?

- Is it possible for the person who leaves the partner behind dont ever look back? Is it possible that the past doesnt mean anything to that person for real? IS it possible to be 9 years with someone, living together for 9 years, through good and lots of bad things, have kids and dont feel any empathy with the past? Can it be true that the other person who was supportive was not worth? Can someone erase for real the good moments and get stucked in the bad?

- And now the one that hurts me more.. is it possible for this to be a mistake, like people are supposed to be together only 2/3 years but for some mistake of life get stuck longer and one of the person is taking the place of some other lover who should be in his/her place? IS it possible for someone to live something by mistake? Something that by the time it took wasn't supposed to be important because it was a mistake and it was supposed to take only 2/3 years?

If a person was sttuborn in forgiving.. it took 9 years, is it possible that it should have taken less because the right choice was not being so sttuborn in forgiving?

I know these are all silly/strange questions but I need to know if there is a possibility that this double whammy doesn't mean love at all just glue or being sttuborn.

thnx

posted June 14, 2012 05:45 PM            

As a person who has went thru this experience (and I mean to a t) u can't spend that amt of time with someone and not love them. I didn't say in love I said love them. My ex husband told me he wanted divorced and my whole world shattered. An 8 yr marriage and 2 kids and a house and he was just gonna throw all that hard work away. He even went as far as telling me he didn't love me anymore. I was in love with him, but he was never in love with me. 3 yrs later here we r and we've talked since then about this and he has admitted to me he still loved me he was just saying that in hopes id accept the divorce. We still care about each other. Not in the same way of course. I've moved on and he is remarried. My ex husband also did the same thing as what ur saying. We tried and tried for 8 yrs, had kids, separated a few times, patched it up only for him to walk away in the end. Horrible divorce. Ugh. I don't get y some ppl say the most awful things to someone they 'love' and r with for so long. I could blame saturn if I wanted to.

Post the composite hon. Sounds like u need some clarity and there's many good ppl here that can help. I'm so sorry u hafta go thru this too ur in my prayers.

posted June 15, 2012 01:44 AM            

I think I'm not at my Saturn Return anymore but I'm 32 and he's 31. By the day he left he was almost 31 but was still 30.

He has done and said not very nice things to me since he left but has also done things that shows he cares (I'm not saying he cares for me, I dont even understand why he has shown he cared about some stuff). He left saying he doesnt love me for 6 years, but our daughter is only 4. He's a different dad with her too. Said the only think worth in me is our daughter.

While we were together things weren't always easy he was supportive with me at the begining, I've been supportive with him until the end. No.. I've been suportive until after he left, when he couldnt be with our daughter 1 month and a half, didn't even call to ear her voice because "I have my life and I'll stay 2 months without talking to her if I want to".

The main problem is that he didn't want to talk ever! You wouldn't believe all the times I've tried so hard to talk with him, I cried, got out of my mind many times, and he just would turn the music on, or turn his back at me and sit has I didn't exist. So childish.

I got OK some time after he left (it was 9 months ago).. it's just this venus retrograde at gemini. You see, I'm gemini, I have sun and venus gemini, and since venus went rx things got worse and worse.

Whe we were together there were times when we would not have anything, a car, money, job, health, food, and we always stook together.. our honeymoon was 7 years after we were together. We were strong. Lots of fun but grounded.

2 days ago he just said that his girlfriend is much more of a woman than I will ever be.. but she just kept the best part: he's ok with his health, no need to be at hospital every week, he has a car (with my help) to take her to nice places, he has a nice job, he even left his daughter behind (with me) so they can have all the time of the world to be together. And wasn't I much more of a woman at the begining too? And all the times he used me wasn't I good? This sentence just opened my eyes, and for the last 2 days something has changed inside me: I'm really sorry to give up (on y mind) on something I tought was special, but it seems it was not that special.. there are many people who treat me far better than this.

We're not getting what which one of us 2 deserve here..

Sorry for writing these things, I'm grateful that you answered me and I'm gonna do has you said and gonna post our charts.

posted June 15, 2012 11:39 PM            

Why does this happen?
Is that why things aren't working with the guy I was dating? And will it start to work after the whammy is over? Also, I seem to have this happening twice this year, is that normal?

posted June 16, 2012 12:39 AM            

Iam sorry to read about your troubled hard times
iam currently in my saturn return rx and its no picnick

Altho, i cannot advice, guide you like our kindhearted wise shyvirgo (hi shy!!!), I wanted to reach out and give you a big virtual hug.

She is speaking truth, when she quotes that time does heal all. Healing speed is different for all of us.

I will add, that you take your time and let it all out. Write a letter to him, your ex, and instead of mailing it to him burn it as a symbol that you are letting go and moving forward.

Also, salt has a lot of healing/ energizing properties.

A nice salt bath/shower will do wonders to rebalance you chakra.

Keeping salt in the "heart" of your home and disposing it... Either via the kitchen sink, into a fire, a stream or simply flushing it down the toilet... Helps revive your home's energy.

Replace the salt bowl every 3 days at first and then it can be left to once a week or any ideal time of your choosing.

Lighting a nice white candle, decorate the base with your favorite flowers, and asking for peace/guidance... Can help you regain your centre... It can help you focus.

Its not a quick fix solution. But its a nice start to help begin clear the energy...

Hope, faith, love, peace and good support is my wish for you and your daughter.

Keep well, hold strong.

If you want a reading in the future let me know.

posted June 16, 2012 06:52 PM            

I'm going to do the bath with salt, and I've already lighted a white candle and called for the help from my grandmother to give me peace.

It's still burning.

Tr venus rx is approaching my natal venus. Does this matter? Since it went to gemini I keep feeling worse and worse. Tr jupiter isn't helping me either, it didn't help 12 years ago either.

June I have a post with my charts, since you offered yourself to do a reading I'm posting the link, if you still want to do it.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/003569.html

I think its over.. I know its over..

What makes me feel worse? This guy is so influenced by other people and so childish and suddenly he regrets the things he's done. He broke up with me some years ago because someone told him. We moved from our house twice and he changed the fridge to another place in both houses because someone told him to! Do you see what I'm saying? I dont feel that he has been influenced this time, but I know he changed a lot his behaviour because of some friendships. And he said he now realises he could have done things in a different way, but keeps destroying and regreting after. I have to let go. I'd like him to grow, but I cant stand being where I am taking all this stuff. I wouldn't like him some years from now coming to me saying he regretted.. my pain would not be worth.

The people who interfere have natal aquarian moon or sun.. Our composite asc is at aquarius.. This male friend who influenced him a lot (I saw him crying for this friend once), well their composite chart have the same aspect as ours, moon conjuct venus, but with a tight orb.. am I seeing things in the right way?

posted June 16, 2012 10:57 PM            

He's 31 now, getting out from his SR, having tr pluto square his moon. With this transit people get rid of things.. I'm in shock.. he got rid of me........

Doesn't love me but at the begining, 1 month after leaving, didn't like when he knew I was intending having a cruise. How did he know that? Googling my usual nickname wich I changed after. Phoenix is a recent nickname.

On February we went to the psychologist because of our daught, and I couldn't stop crying, in front the psychologist he stated that I was like that because of him (it was quite funny). I had to say I wasn't like that because of him to calm down his ego. The psychologist asked him to leave the room so she could talk to me alone. When it was over and we were already at work he emailed me saying he tought I was like that because of him and asking me if it wasn't because of him why was it then. I didn't want to tell him (it was because of him and my job). He continued asking me things so I told him it was my job.

posted June 17, 2012 06:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Diana:
Is he an aquarius? If so, yes, they can totally move on and never look back. I hope they're not because I don't want to be the bearer of bad news.

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This got me thinking.. his cappy asc but hie 1st house has aquarius too.. may it be why he always leaves his girlfriends this way? I always tought it had to do with his moon/venus at 8th house, or maybe the fact that his first relationship was painful to him..