posted July 17, 2012 08:26 AM            

This seems to be an omnipresent question. It may be said or left, unsaid. The song by Maria Mena, “Just Hold Me”, seems to haunt all of us, but the 12th House Planet natives know it, deeply. Others may feel raw and amorphous, but the 12th House person swims in it, struggling not to go under, to the bottom of the sea, as did Sedna. The 12th House experience is very different than any other. They are the demi aliens living among us. They are the poets and the artists. If they do not write and sing from their pain, they have special gifts with which to use their sensitivity. They can go into a hospice and hold the hand of a dying patient. They know the next dimension.If Mother Teresa was not a 12th House person, her work was.

To define the problem is fine, but that slithers around the answer. What is one to do? The first step seems to truly acknowledge your 12th House Planets:to study them in depth. Know who you are, as you cannot run. They are part of you. Only a Higher Authority knows why some charts are harder than others. That answer is unknowable.However, God has given us our personal maps:the astrological charts. Hence, for the 12th House person, he must understand who he is. He must try not to be ashamed of how he is different. He cannot bear an itchy sweater, while another sign could wear it all day. Hence, the first step is to stop trying to be like others: non 12th House people.

Then, one must find someone to whom one can tell the pain, as there will be valleys of sorrow. I don’t know how the sorrow came. It came differently for different people, but the 12th House person carries it. He may seem as if he does not. He may smile or swagger, but it is there. A sensitive person can pick it up. The 12th House person is holding a wound, just as real as a solider holding a war wound, trying to constrict it so as to stop the bleeding.The 12th House person feels set apart from others. The hardest part of all this is finding a person who can bear the pain with you, and not try to fix. You know all the fix’s. You have tried them all, to no avail. That is part of the omnipresent hopelessness which is part of the existence for a 12th House person.

The 12th House person tends to depression. Much of this is the internal isolation. Finding a person who will help you bear your sorrow will help. The hardest part for the other person is to resist the urge to fix, mitigate or make better in any way.It cannot be made better.It can only be released. That is the best way another person can help. They need to shut their mouths and let you cry. It sounds so easy, but few people can do it. You may be surprised, but it is true. Alice Miller brought the concept of the Enlightened Witness to the fore. Actually, if society was not so isolated, the EW may have been an aunt or a grandparent, in days past, when the family was closer. Now, intimacy is rare. Intimacy is one of the cures for 12th House planets. However, intimacy is a problem on it’s own, as the native has to be vulnerable. How can one be vulnerable when there is so much pain that the touch of another may be like fire? This is the conundrum.

God takes relationships very seriously, as He made Adam so He, Himself, would have a friend. As complete as God was, He wanted someone with whom to share. That is an amazing concept, but highlights the importance of relationships. As flawed as we are, there is nothing as special as someone seeing you. Intimacy is “In-To-Me-See”. How hard it is for us to, even, see ourselves, let alone show oneself to another. The 12th House person has more miles to go in the process of seeing himself, as it is harder for him. He wants to run away. He may get into addictions, as addictions are pain killers. The addictions may take him down. They may take him to the bottom of himself, or the bottom of life, itself, into death. The 12th House person cannot escape himself. Others have tried. I have more to say on this subject, but will take a break, as the last thing I want to do is give platitudes on a subject which has had platitudes thrown at it until it wants to vomit.

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posted July 17, 2012 08:27 AM            

I was thinking about this, in terms of my chart. I have Ruler of the 5th in the 12th.I lost a child. The 5th is the House of Children.It’s Ruler travels to the 12th, the House of Sorrow, as was it’s old name. Does anyone have a House Ruler in the 12th House? If so, please tell me from which House it came and what you have experienced. This would apply to people with 12th House planets, only.

A lovely woman in one of my Astrology Study Groups allowed me to use her name and to bring you part of her story, related to the Ruler of the 5th House in the 12th House. Gisele Matthews is her name . Here is what she wrote: You know, the ruler of my 5th is in the 12th which is why I chose to never have children.. I did have two abortions when I was in my early 20′s. I had to have them, as I was on heavy medication at the time that would have caused a deformed fetus. And yes, it was very sad.

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posted July 17, 2012 08:29 AM            

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posted July 17, 2012 08:30 AM            

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posted July 17, 2012 12:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I have some info on Mars and Merc in the 12th but I can't find it now. My earth void is really bad on organizing my articles. It is like a grab bag in there

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I have mercury in the 12th (ruler of the 3rd in the 12th right?, still new)

Anyway, it is in Sagittarius. I also have Lilith/black moon here. Not sure what it means but I have a hard time communicating my feelings. As a child I hardly talked and people pegged me as shy.

Sometimes I get so nervous speaking my mind that my voice tenses up and I studder. The only real way I can show hurt is by crying and if I speak about my feelings I get emotionally exhausted.

posted July 17, 2012 04:24 PM            

So, I understand what you are feeling. Don't feel like you are the only one!!

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Originally posted by ceecee*:
i am noticing and comparing myself to people who have incredible lives and so many friends to share it all with. they post so many pictures (on fb) of their experiences and it makes me wonder. i can be so anit-social and such a quiet person i do not want to be this way. but i've tried that kind of thing, and i love the satisfaction it gave me maybe i just lost my ability to make new friends? i see my self as a good person but i'm unhappy with myself. i actually was friends with popular girls and had alot of popularity in high school but things are much different for me now. and i get so upset about it, overthinking things, and worrying its like i'm sick about it! my boyfriend is making the situation more difficult. but i love him and i don't complain about that. the main problem i feel like i have is communication and having put together thoughts. in my head i have thoughts in flashes or jumbled up. i don't know what it could be, or why i'm just starting to feel this way now. shouldn't i be good at making friends and that sort of thing?

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