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Topic: Is it in the charts? The MOST confusing relationship I've had.
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32samsara
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posted August 20, 2012 11:45 AM
  
I'm requesting a little chart reading help, please.A cancer man and me/sag female. Here's the 'back story' if it helps or you're interested. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/004090.html Thank you so much for your help! Here's both our natal charts, composite, and synastry.    
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slowpoke
Knowflake Posts: 382
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posted August 20, 2012 12:42 PM
The Synastry aspects will give you more insight into your union.Try here too.
http://astro.cafeastrology.com/cgi-bin/astro/comp2f http://www.astrologyfiles.com/free-horoscope-matching/
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VenusDiSirius
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posted August 20, 2012 12:58 PM
H12 composite Moon,29th degree... Some would say your last chance to make it work,as karma would be repaid.
I haven't noticed this much,but I know H12 cMoon,and it is not easy - it either creates a pair unaware of the true feelings for each other,and acting out of false presumptions,immaturity in the way they build a relationship or well adjusted,private couple who just senses each other on a completely different level,as if they can read each other,utmost trust. Pisces Asc, its ruler in opposition to Saturn: the body of the relationship is essentially Piscean: the courting part of the relationship,and sweet beginning are so magical,you have feeling you met the one. You click on many levels,and no need to share that,you just feel it. And that can be a big flaw,idealised relation,with apparently strong wings. The reality is different,however,Saturn puts and edge to the situation,and you can get stuck,for you don't like when the love is outside fairytale borders,so you stand there,blocked,feeling frustrated,but liking the glitters. H8 Venus and Pluto - passion and jealousy,sexuality that expands on the layers of self-awarness,sextiling Asc Ruler - the sex life fuels and sustains the relationship. Venus sextiling Uranus - unconventional relationship that is full of ups and down,it spices the relationship and you like it. Dsc ruler,in conj with Sun - ideals of true partnership,and the path that leads to healthy dependence. Squared by Uranus H12 ruler - but you do flirt,deep down,or up where the subconscious is  with urges to be completely free. Synastry is solid too,DSC/Venus H5-H8 contacts via rulers,H8 DW: His Mars in your H8,your Sun in his H8. Man is Saturn rising,you haven't mentioned that - that puts another spin on the matter. IP: Logged |
32samsara
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posted August 20, 2012 11:54 PM
Thank you Venus for your interpretation. Can you tell from the charts what are his views on the relationship? I think he's become completely disinterested, though he is still sending mixed signals, and giving me indirect communication when it's there. I'm not contacting at all and leaving the ball in his court for the time being.I just hate the all to nothing feeling, and it's been getting me down. What's the Saturn rising thing you mentioned? I'm unfamiliar with it. I think that a lot of what you've said rings true, but I don't think the relationship got into a stage where the charts will be too accurate. It was intimate, but still new, and not established. Really not sure what to think. Hurts me to move on... hurts me to stay. Suppose moving on is the best, since they both hurt  IP: Logged |
sweet-scorpion
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posted August 21, 2012 01:21 AM
He has Moon-Pluto exactly conjunct in his natal chart, AND in the 8th. This is tough. This alone shows that the mother was/is probably over protective and somewhat strange to him... he probably had an intense relationship with Mom that transformed him in some way emotionally and/or mentally. 8H Moon is quite tough since it can show a repressed emotional nature in some instances. Water meets Fire with his Sagittarius Moon here so it can show someone with a conflicted emotional nature... very volatile in some ways. Sagittarius Moon can be tough since it never settles down and sextile Uranus we have an emotional drive that's quirky and very unpredictable. Not as bad as the square though, which is good. Still, even easy Moon-Uranus can cause issues. It's just as I said, an unpredictable sense of feelings and reactions to things intuitively. This can make it hard on intimate partners/people in the person's life. E.G., sometimes this person will be thrilled to go get an ice cream but you ask them the next week, and they look like they're going to give you the finger for it. That's slightly more with the square but still. It can get that weird. Their moods are hard to regulate and control. I know many people with this one who have some other issues like OCD, depression, anxiety, etc. [I'm one of them actually, I've got the trine and I have anxiety and depressive issues and up and down moods.]Mars-Saturn opposition is INTENSE... quite hard to have. Shows a repressed action drive that builds and builds and then explodes outward. This is all funneled towards the Descendant too. Not good to have. I read online once this aspect is called the 'incredible hulk' aspect, like.... you won't like me when I'm angry so don't push it. LOL Saturn on the ASC can be a downer too. Makes one seem too taciturn, withdrawn, quiet and serious at times. Not always but sometimes. It can make you take yourself too seriously. Sun square Saturn shows Daddy issues that deal with self-esteem... you feel you have to be better than Dad but if you are he won't love you, or Dad always pressures you to be better than you can actually be, etc. Seems more apparent since his Sun falls in the 4th house. As for your synastry - you have a lot of 8H connections. Your Sun falls in his 8th which means that you have a definite presence in his life. Your connection is volatile and intense. Your Venus conjunct his MC means that he'd like to show you off as someone beautiful to be with especially in public but this could be annoying, since no one really likes the 'trophy wife' feel to a relationship. Both of you are 8H Pluto people, showing that you are both inclined to attract a lot of intensity, trauma, transformation and rebirth through intimate partners and close relationships. There might be magnetism overload here. Both of you sense your mutual Plutonian energies. It could be an instant attraction but also, repellant in some cases. IP: Logged |
32samsara
Newflake Posts: 20
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posted August 21, 2012 06:31 AM
Thank you sweet scorpion. Your interpretation of him was pretty spot on. From my opinion, he deals with all of that. Also seems to be quite insecure - uses attention from multiple women to up his self-esteem. Since he got very close to me and then distanced himself, I wasn't sure if he still wanted to be friends or connected at all, but he said he does. There is a draw there, but we went from being with each other 4 days a week, to NOTHING in 20 days. I'm not used to that behavior, but I can legitimately be his friend and nothing more. I'm a sag sun. Whatever he'd doing, I've been there and already done. I sense a lot of confusion - see anything that if I stay around as a friend, his feelings might turn? I do have a lot of love for him, despite all these flaws.And can this magnetism you speak of, will it be a constant push/pull, or was it instantly attraction and now it will be mostly repulsion? If he's away from me, he seems repulsed by me. If he sees me, he seems attracted. I assume he's keeping distance to moderate the two? I'm more easy going in general. I don't normally fall this hard... probably have only once in the past, out of many men. So it kind of rocked me, but eh, I'll get back up and dust off.  I really appreciate your insight. The more I try to read, the more confused I get. Nice to have a fresh perspective. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
Knowflake Posts: 4226
From: Surfing Kite. Seriously.
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted August 21, 2012 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by 32samsara:
Thank you Venus for your interpretation. Can you tell from the charts what are his views on the relationship? I think he's become completely disinterested, though he is still sending mixed signals, and giving me indirect communication when it's there. I'm not contacting at all and leaving the ball in his court for the time being.
His Mars conj cNN,H12 Moon overlays(near cusp),his Sag Moon and H9 contacts - I'd say he would be/is very comfortable with the relation,even would find it fateful and essential for his emotional life. Could also mean he's the one to hold the "fate" of the realtioship in his hands. But,I would check his progressions,even compared them to your natal,and progressions. quote:
I just hate the all to nothing feeling, and it's been getting me down.
Try venting... Like this - gawd,that annoying prick!! quote:
What's the Saturn rising thing you mentioned? I'm unfamiliar with it. I think that a lot of what you've said rings true, but I don't think the relationship got into a stage where the charts will be too accurate. It was intimate, but still new, and not established. Really not sure what to think. Hurts me to move on... hurts me to stay. Suppose moving on is the best, since they both hurt
For the composite to start kicking in,or to be considered,it is important for two people to have a contact,basic familiarity,and nevermind if it is not a proper-proper relationship,there is relation and we can see the potential from there. Now,when you are for some time together,you can also look up directed composite. Thank God,we have many options If it is not too much to ask,is your relation in any way forbidden,inconvenient,inappropriate...?
Anything specific that would set his pushpull Saturn mechanism into working? Innately,he is man of desires but great oppressions,limits also,many of them self-imposed. IP: Logged |
32samsara
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posted August 22, 2012 02:34 PM
@Venus, you've been so helpful, and I really appreciate it! It's been over 20 days since the tone of the relationship completely changed, but I have to say, I definitely feel it means a lot to us both. Even in this new vibe, there is something there. I'm not having any expectations, and so I'm getting really good at going with the flow. Kind of intriguing me now. I think I'm learning things about myself *gasp* that I should have learned YEARS ago, so it's kind of cool.Not to say that I'm not on occasion taking your venting advice to heart!! To answer your question... I suppose our relationship falls into all of those categories, for one reason or another. I did do some more reading on his Saturn placement, and I would say this has a strong influence on him and yes, I think the Saturn push/pull could be set off by this. For people with his placements, this is probably an ongoing source of internal conflict, correct? Hmmm, always wondering my next step, but I've resolved myself to be there for him as a friend, and take it moment by moment. Is the push/pull a test of sorts? I think he's been surprised by some of my reactions, not sure good or bad, but it sounds other females in his life have 'gone crazy' and it's just not my style. Well at least not outwardly Thanks again. Oh, and is there any good resource to begin to teach myself synastry and composite reading. If you don't mind me asking, how have you learned? IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
Knowflake Posts: 4226
From: Surfing Kite. Seriously.
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted August 22, 2012 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by 32samsara:
@Venus, you've been so helpful, and I really appreciate it! It's been over 20 days since the tone of the relationship completely changed, but I have to say, I definitely feel it means a lot to us both. Even in this new vibe, there is something there. I'm not having any expectations, and so I'm getting really good at going with the flow. Kind of intriguing me now. I think I'm learning things about myself *gasp* that I should have learned YEARS ago, so it's kind of cool.Not to say that I'm not on occasion taking your venting advice to heart!!
*insert thumbs up smiley here* quote:
To answer your question... I suppose our relationship falls into all of those categories, for one reason or another. I did do some more reading on his Saturn placement, and I would say this has a strong influence on him and yes, I think the Saturn push/pull could be set off by this. For people with his placements, this is probably an ongoing source of internal conflict, correct? Hmmm, always wondering my next step, but I've resolved myself to be there for him as a friend, and take it moment by moment.
Yes,Saturn's themes are omnipresent in their lives(H1 planet is always there,he is Saturn),it is only a matter of maturity: the moment when those insecurities,for example,grow into quiet strength.
Good decision,step by step. Never push them. quote:
Is the push/pull a test of sorts?
Not with Saturn: they need to trust you : being able to relax,to be comfortable in your company; letting go (within reasonable probability lol),giving in. #Time quote:
I think he's been surprised by some of my reactions, not sure good or bad, but it sounds other females in his life have 'gone crazy' and it's just not my style. Well at least not outwardly
I can see that,with Moon conj Pluto!! #CookedRabbit
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Thanks again.
Most welcome  quote:
Oh, and is there any good resource to begin to teach myself synastry and composite reading. If you don't mind me asking, how have you learned?
Every good astroger has articles/books on synastry & composite : Greene,Sasportas,Arroyo - he is particularly loved by another utterly savvy snowflake around here,Ceridwen.
Also,internet! Respectable astrology sites are also trusted to give good recommendation as to what to read,and not to mention articles on various subjects. I read a lot,observe,although synastry was never my primary area of interest.My friend is an amazing synastry astrologer,and majority of our literature isn't available in English,the type you find in small,old bookshops. When you are good with spotting planetary energies*,you can start observing people around you,get yourself nice bunch of charts,from close people at first,and you move on from there.- And,no stopping BUT,LL is definitely a true playground,here,you can find every subject,and plenty of astro geeks
*what I mean by this: take Sun and figure out its symbols,then expand on that; when you know which roads Sun can take,this type of knowledge will be like crumbs of bread,so you can always find solid ground,or retreat if you run into difficult area.
Or better yet,just forget what I worte and go your own way I mean,you are freakin' Merc conj Uranus!!!!!
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32samsara
Newflake Posts: 20
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posted August 26, 2012 06:27 PM
Again Venus, ever insightful... ever helpful... what a gem you are (not like gemini gem - like a really shiny, pretty one!) I can see this trust issue as you explained it. We were/are very comfortable with one another - the beginning of this week, he wanted to meet up, but I had plans. We communicated infrequently throughout the week, and then at the end of the week he suggested we meet again. I had nothing going on, so we did - things were friendly and flirty and easy, as usual. I HATE being unable to read him. I find myself being super cautious with him. I 'feel' he's worth it though, and for my sag sun, I don't often have the patience to deal with that type of feeling, if it isn't shown in action. But maybe I should for a change, as my usual approach might not be right either. :b So we're again at moderate friendly communication, I'm again at wtf does he think/feel... and just kinda riding this wave, wherever it's sending me. Like you said, #Time Ha, I had to laugh at your #CookedRabbit. Is he gonna end up really falling for one of the crazies while I'm over here diligently working on NOT going crazy!?! #OhThatIsGonnaFrostMyCookies Thank you, thank you for all the resources. I shall do my research and dig in! One more question if you have the time, can you see anything in these charts that would show either one of us having more interest in the relationship than the other? If you're stretched for time, no worries. You've been such a big help to me IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
Knowflake Posts: 4226
From: Surfing Kite. Seriously.
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted August 28, 2012 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by 32samsara:
Again Venus, ever insightful... ever helpful... what a gem you are (not like gemini gem - like a really shiny, pretty one!)
What about ever awesome 
Compliments - never feed Leo with compliments  quote:
Ha, I had to laugh at your #CookedRabbit. Is he gonna end up really falling for one of the crazies while I'm over here diligently working on NOT going crazy!?! #OhThatIsGonnaFrostMyCookies
No,but there is a very Plutonian side to the women he could find attractive and relationship with them fulfilling in long term. I haven't been involved with Moon/Pluto conj man,but I know strong Plutonians - and there are both rock bottoms and highs with them. Imagine dark angel. Something like that. quote:
One more question if you have the time, can you see anything in these charts that would show either one of us having more interest in the relationship than the other? If you're stretched for time, no worries. You've been such a big help to me
He has a pull towards the relationship,his NN on cMars - but I wouldn't measure you two.(fairly equal)
It's the Saturn,girl  keeps him at bay.
You for example - cMoon in your H1 that's very comfortable,healthy connection,you are more responsive to relation - what may happen.
You do activate his Saturn/Sun sq into a t square with your Pluto - that can be problematic. You could rile up all the sentiments of inadequacy he may carry day by day. Your presence,personal power,confidence,and the could create problems,but within him,which in turn could make him oppressive and shoving you into guilt,or blame you for that. IP: Logged |
32samsara
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posted September 04, 2012 01:00 PM
Hello again Venus! Oh, I'm sorry - I had always thought compliments were exactly what the lions ate! My bad Well this craziness is still unfolding. So after the last time he crawled back out of his hiding space, we spent one more day together and it was INTENSE. He then made some odd remarks following that meeting, and I 'feel' it was indirect communication about him having feelings for me, but I have no clue. Instead of asking him outright, I was just kinda like, wtf, I can't read between all these lines. Now, another slow and painful withdrawal. He's too confused. I don't want to press him. Now he's kind of doing the game playing thing. He's liking pictures of other girls that I know he has friendships with, and commenting on other girl's pages that I know have interest in him, though also know he's not all that interested from what he's said to me. Not that I'm delusional, he is needy for attention. I just have no idea what to do. Step back entirely and remove myself from the situation, or be brave, and step forward and put my heart on the line. I feel half of him would like either approach, and the opposite half would dislike either approach. ROCK > ME < HARD PLACE He's also intentionally keeping this really 'ho hum' line of communication open. Making me feel like he's using me, or keeping me on the line so to speak, in the event he needs me again. But I'm disinterested in that. I can't get a read on him to save my life. Might be the Saturn as you've mentioned. In a previous post you mentioned this : "But,I would check his progressions,even compared them to your natal,and progressions." I'm not sure how to do this. If I find those progression charts and post them, would you be willing to take a look at them for me? I'm about ready to throw in the towel, but man the good times are oh so good. And the bad times, aren't really bad, just distant and confusing. Maybe there's chance to clear the communication errors. Think our mercuries are just too incompatible? His in Leo, mine in Scorp. Well my dear Leo, you really have been so insightful - and ever AWESOME!! IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
Knowflake Posts: 4226
From: Surfing Kite. Seriously.
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posted September 24, 2012 06:59 AM
I was offline,but if you are still interested,I am willing to cha(r)t further IP: Logged | |
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