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Astro keen
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posted January 08, 2013 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
POSTING AGAIN:

Hi Ceridwen, I've been reading some of your comments and readings on the 'loving composites' thread and would love you to take a look at my composite.
You may recall that Lotis White analysed my synastry and you too added a few comments - http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/005032.html

My relationship is stressed at present and I want to do my utmost not to blow it. Understanding how the composite might play out would make all the difference. Would you please give me your thoughts. Could this relationship become a long term one?

Just a note about the stellium in the 12th house - this relationship started online and we've met infrequently so far because of distances.

The composite -

Synastry, with me inside -

Any comments would be gratefully received. Thank you.

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EmpressMendez
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posted January 08, 2013 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't know much about composites, but also have a 12th house stellium with the father of my kids who I also met online . So that fits very well.

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posted January 09, 2013 12:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Empress! Which planets do you have in the 12th? Has it or did it last long?

Online relationships usually remain hidden from the world, which would also explain a 12th house stellium, but your didn't. So the secret aspect may not necessarily be true.

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posted January 09, 2013 06:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astro, it lasted 7 years . We have almost all planets in 12th except Moon, Pluto, Neptune, Jupiter and Saturn. We weren't as emotionally close, so makes sense!

Also Uranus describes the Internet to me so clearly (it was in the mix of things). We have a close Uranus-Moon aspect in our synastry.

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posted January 09, 2013 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ceridwen
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posted January 11, 2013 06:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Astro keen:
Understanding how the composite might play out would make all the difference.


to be honest, I don´t think so.
Also no matter what a composite or synastry shows, it is up to you and him how you express that potential.
Astrology just describes what is there, but not how you are playing the cards you are being dealt.

At least that is my opinion. however, i think astrological constellations will express themselves, just there is a wide range of how it can be done, and it does not always have to be in the context of a romantic relationship.

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posted January 11, 2013 06:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This relationship is about love, quite obviously, or romance/ attraction (Libra ASC, ruler of ASC in Libra in 1st house).
And there is a lot of romantic affection (ruler of 1st house, Venus, trine Moon in 5th house).
however, there migth be something unusual about the emotional bond, and a lot of space and freedom is being required to keep the two of you together, however strange that might sound (Moon is in Aquarius).


That stellium in 12th house, yes.
Ruler of 7th and 8th in 12th house.
it could mean a secret or hidden relationship, but that is not necessarily true for all 12th house relationships. Sometimes however you yourself are being a bit unaware about what lies beneath the surface.
The attraction and love and affection and a certain sense of harmony might have been quite apparent from the start with Venus in 1st house, but beneath the surface there is quite a dynamic energy, a more pragmatic approach probably, but along with some earthy quality. If you are not very aware of what is going on under the surface, hidden aggressions or passive - aggressive, defensive feelings might bubble up. however, there is also a chance about elevating this relationship to a practical spiritual level, I´d say your bond is a spiritual one (ruler of 7th and 8th house in 12th house), but you have to find a way to express that in every day life in practical terms.


probably you will become aware of these underground-themes, as the ruler of the 12th house is right on the ASC.
However, you will need to find a way to communicate really clearly with each other about what each of you wants from that relationships. (ruler of 3rd house in 12th house as well)

however, you will need to check who is affected by what in the composite.


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posted January 11, 2013 07:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i found that article on inner wheel blog

", what to think of this powerful symbolism in the composite chart?

Like individuals with 12th house planets, couples with a lot of twelfth house may feel that there is something fated about their lives together. Something is whispering in their ears. It is not so much a question of choice, more that the universe has chosen for them to be together (at least, that’s what it feels like). It’s a bit like getting knocked off your feet by a powerful wave–you and your partner are going to have to swim in the tide for a while, and deal with whatever watery beasties swim your way. I”ve seen couples with a heavy 12th house influence utterly befuddled and bedazzled by their lives (which don’t go the way their friends’ lives go). It isn’t that they’re unhappy–no, they seem to go more the extreme of bliss altering with despair. On the one hand “We are meant to be…” on the other, “But if we are, why is it so hard?”

When a couple has planets, or an important planet, in the 12th, it can go a couple of ways. One, that planet’s energy can be confused and diffused in their lives, especially when in difficult aspect to other things in the composite. You don’t want, on the whole, a composite Mars in the 12th square to Neptune, unless you are missionaries or you plan to open up a swimming pool installation company. It usually indicates that there is something karmic surrounding that planet that needs fixing–it is, in a prior life, something that was missed or misused between them. It’s the last chance to get it right, and there will be a struggle to use this planet’s positive expression easily. In contrast, couples who come together to create something for the collective often have the appropriate planets in the composite 12th, there for all to see. (One expression does not contra-indicate the other.)

This ‘last chance’ element, sadly, often leads us to relationships that are destined to exist only to fix this thing–when the lesson is learned, both these people move on. It often indicates couples who seem to have a lot of shared experience and shared history–even if they are new to one another, it feels ‘old.’ They recognize one another when they meet. They seem bonded before a word is spoken. We romanticize all of this (and well, a little romance never hurt anyone) but the truth is that this familiarity is there to ‘hurry up’ the bonding process so that the lessons and the challenges can be quickly assimilated. These are the couples who are magnetically attracted to one another and who, after making the necessary commitments, find themselves on strange and unfamiliar territory.

Couples where the 12th is strong can often experience–well, let’s say it–Neptunian weirdness. Telepathy, visiting one another out of body, lucid dreaming where they communicate with one another, strange psychic links and melding of the two energetic bodies. (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) This can happen in composites of unrequited love, where one person loves another who doesn’t know he or she exists. Now, you can either say it’s karma, or you can say that person A is psychologically hooking onto the archetype formed with person B’s chart, but whatever it is, it can be a very powerful pull. I’m not quick to say its an illusion, but it’s not quite ‘real’ either, and you can get into some dangerous territory in the 12th by telling yourself things that aren’t really true. The weirdness of the 12th usually happens when one or both of the other parties has a heavy 12th influence in the natal.

Again, sadly, this being the 12th, most of the time the lesson is learning to love and then let go. Neptune’s great teaching is that love is a powerful force in and of itself, and should not be used as a binder. Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, is all about connections, and the 12th house allows us to dissolve the boundaries of ordinary life in order to reach out beyond our mundane reality. Those of us with composite 12th emphasized will be asked to step away from the mundane and step into the world of the extraordinary, where unlikely connections are day to day things. Sometimes we will be asked to make leaps of faith. Oftentimes, once we surrender to the powers of the 12th house, our lives are transformed by meaning, because those unlikely connections have brought us a wisdom beyond our time together. Eventually, we learn that life is not as random as we thought, but full of purpose and meaning. It may have felt like chaos, but later on we know that there was method to the madness.

Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. It’s a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for.

You may now be more confused about the 12th house than you were at the beginning of this piece, but such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible. We are fated, but we are meant to part. We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. Our lives are silly and sublime at once. We have the ultimate intimacy side by side with the knowledge of ultimate separateness. We grasp for the handrail, and find nothing to hold on to. We fall, and find the world."
http://theinnerwheel.com/2012/09/01/the-composite-chart-and-the-12th-house-the-ghost-at-the-door/


The 12th house is about surrendering, and letting go. In some instance, and sadly more often, it is about letting go of the relationship.
But imo there is yet another way, that this relationship propells you to let go of preconception how a life or relationships "should" be.

There definitely is a choice to make. Either people stay attached to their preconceptions and ideas about how relationships ideally should be, then they will lose the 12th house relationship.
But if they can detach from their ideas and surrender to going with the flow of the relationship, it might be a beautiful experience.

Also could mean a past life relationship of course.

BTW my parents have Moon in the 12th house of their composite.
They have been married for 39 years this year. They have very different temperaments (Dad is an Aquarius, Mum is a Scorpio, their Suns are closely square), but they are emotionally very close as well.

it`s not a "usual" relationships though in the sense that it is extremely tightly knitted, very very family oriented, almost "tribal", as I would see it and extending to the whole family.
And they have had to face bumps and challenges and mastered them all so far.

First my 2 year younger brother has the Down syndrome, which totally changed all plans my mum had about her life, of course, and my Dad´s as well.
Then they took in my mum`s younger sister and brought her up in our family.
they had a foster-child (temporary), also a kid with Down syndrome, for a few weeks when his grandma had to go to hospital (the mother was a drug addict and not able to take care of her son, or herself for that matter).
They took my grandfather in, after his stroke, and my mom nursed him at home, beside everything else that was going on.
they were co-founding and participating in two non profit organizations helping mentally handicapped people, especially in terms of integration into the social culture.

my dad at several points had to choose between career and family. He was being asked to take over some diplomatic or political function, but this would have meant that he would have been away from home a lot. It was clear to both my parents that this would have been the end of their relationship, in the long run, as they need to stay together somehow.
They have only been separated for 6 weeks, when my dad was transferred to another job temporarily (his superior wasn`t to pleased my dad dared declining the offer to a great career. ), and it was really straining for them.


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posted January 11, 2013 08:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow! Thank you for this really interesting post. Such a great read. Your parents are really remarkable people.

With these greater 12th house forces at work, I think I firstly need to let go of the questions and anxieties, trust fate to unfold gradually and accept the experiences that come my way. As you said it is up to us how we express the potential. It is, nonetheless, helpful to know that the potential could be expressed in these ways. You have thorough astro knowledge coupled with very good intuition and wisdom.

It should be exciting times from the way it sounds.
Thank you so much.

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posted January 12, 2013 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Astrokeen,

I`ve been thinking about the 12th house in composite, as I have myself in a composite Moon and Venus (conjunction) in 12th house.
And I have checked several composite which had personal planets in 12th composite house:

a gay couple (10 years together, very stable):
Sun in Aquarius in 12th; Venus in Pisces in 12th


Antonio Banderas - Melanie Griffith;
Moon in Pisces in 12th house


Paul Mc Cartney - Linda Mc Cartney:
Moon in Libra in 12th house


Pierre and Marie Curie:
Moon in Capricorn in 12th house


Richard Burton and Liz Taylor:
Sun and Mercury in Capricorn in 12th house


Sri Aurobindo and Mira Richards (they said themselves they were twinsouls):
Sun in Taurus in 12th house
Venus and Mars in Gemini in 12th house

my parents:
Moon in Cancer in 12th house


my friend and her husband:
Moon in Pisces in 12th house


Well, I think the 12th house cannot be THAT bad after all.

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posted January 12, 2013 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Certainly not! Thank you.

I hope lots of people read this, since I've mainly heard negative things about the 12th.

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posted January 12, 2013 10:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The 12th house is a widely misunderstood house (I don´t undertand it myself, not really).

And yes, it can have the negative results like losses and erosion and things just fading away. But it doesn`t have to be like that.

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posted January 15, 2013 08:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jayneleigwyn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Ceridwen- So does it mean I'm going to part with someone who I have stellium in the 12th house. It will be a beautiful experience but it will end eventually?

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