posted May 04, 2013 03:49 AM            

There are five altogether, hoping you guys won't quote the images, but just the text as I am planning to take the images down.

TOOK THE CHARTS DOWN - THANK YOU AGAIN EVERYONE!

posted May 04, 2013 04:08 AM            

The Moon is void which means nothing will come to pass.
No aspect between primary/secondary significators.
There's no planet near Saturn which means no partner.
It's him and his job/career. He's not doing well but there's something holding him up.

The querent has an army of admirers around her. Lolz.

posted May 04, 2013 04:15 AM            

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Originally posted by depth:
CHART 1:

The Moon is void which means nothing will come to pass.
No aspect between primary/secondary significators.
There's no planet near Saturn which means no partner.
It's him and his job/career. He's not doing well but there's something holding him up.

The querent has an army of admirers around her. Lolz.

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Thanks - this is awesome! The Uranus/Moon aspect is minor. So of course, makes sense VOC. How do you know he's not doing well? So suitors/admirers are close by in conjunction or not necessarily aspect? And also even with secondary signifiers with aspect, isn't that more about feelings in relationship horarys not action?

posted May 04, 2013 04:32 AM            

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Originally posted by imeanj:
Thanks - this is awesome! The Uranus/Moon aspect is minor. So of course, makes sense VOC. How do you know he's not doing well? So suitors/admirers are close by in conjunction or not necessarily aspect? And also even with secondary signifiers with aspect, isn't that more about feelings in relationship horarys not action?

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Saturn's Retrograde, which is a debility. The person in question feels incapacitated by something. It could also mean a whole bunch of other things like feeling nostalgic, returning to the past..But Saturn in the 10th looks more career oriented than reminiscent.

I said admirers because Sun is exalted and in it's triplicity and in it's House of joy, surrounded by Venus and Mars, his admirers. Planets in the same sign as a dignified significator usually means a lot of admirers/suitors.

The Moon is a secondary significator. I look at Venus and Sun as tertiary significators. An aspect between Sun/Venus is sexual/undurable.

posted May 04, 2013 04:36 AM            

In this case for Chart 1:

Primary: Sun/Saturn - feelings
Secondary: Moon - action
Tertiary: Venus/Mars - sexual

And we can move on to the others - I just want to see if I gave good answers - he he.

posted May 04, 2013 05:02 AM            

I'm not too sure if she will find love. But if she finds, this guy is going to be a bad influence. There's nothing right about him.

Debilitated Jupiter in the 7th
Debilitated Venus
Combust....

Her 12H in Libra, the house of hidden enemies. This person doesn't have to be her enemy literally but he's just not good for her. He'll hide something from her and overpower her and/or she'll be completely blind to his faults. A detrimented Venus could be a player.

I'm giving the innocent seeming Jupiter, second thoughts. While his primary significator is separating from Jupiter, the Sun, his co-significator is applying.

I said I'm not sure because:
- Both primary significators are combust which strips them off their power to act. Though Mars is not that afflicted, Venus which is making the aspect is in a BAD state.

posted May 04, 2013 05:11 AM            

Hmm. Why is Jupiter debilitated? I thought Jupiter was exalted in Gemini by term and Jupiter would be in her 7th House not his, right?

I figured the Venus debilitation was bad, i.e. he would be no good for her, but b/c Mars is exalted - her signifier she could walk away unscathed?

posted May 04, 2013 05:13 AM            

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Originally posted by imeanj:
^ Just to be clear

In this case for Chart 1:

Primary: Sun/Saturn - feelings
Secondary: Moon - action
Tertiary: Venus/Mars - sexual

And we can move on to the others - I just want to see if I gave good answers - he he.

EDIT: Actually, if moon is action, does moon have to the interact with the quiested signifier?

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Unlike natal astrology, Mars in horary isn't about sex. Mars could be:
- a primary significator
- If the question is about a cheating female partner,
and the quesited's planets are aspecting Mars OR Mars sits in the 7th OR Aries is intercepted in the 7th, the answer's a yes.

Sun/Saturn - the thinking human (like the Sun in natal chart. They're the primary significators)
Moon - action/feeling (Moon can also be called a co-significator)
Venus - third person (a female, sexual). There's no tertiary significator for the guy in this case.

posted May 04, 2013 05:18 AM            

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Originally posted by depth:
Unlike natal astrology, Mars in horary isn't about sex. Mars could be:
- a primary significator
- If the question is about a cheating female partner,
and the quesited's planets are aspecting Mars OR Mars sits in the 7th OR Aries is intercepted in the 7th, the answer's a yes.

Sun/Saturn - the thinking human (like the Sun in natal chart. They're the primary significators)
Moon - action/feeling (Moon can also be called a co-significator)
Venus - third person (a female, sexual). There's no tertiary significator for the guy in this case.

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You are bada$$; I am learning so much - THANK YOU!

I never knew that Mars sitting in the 7th or likewise, Aries interception meant a yes. Does that make Chart 5 a yes then?

Thanks for the clarification in regards to signifiers - but why is there no Mars?

posted May 04, 2013 05:20 AM            

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Originally posted by imeanj:
Chart 4:

Hmm. Why is Jupiter debilitated? I thought Jupiter was exalted in Gemini by term and Jupiter would be in her 7th House not his, right?

I figured the Venus debilitation was bad, i.e. he would be no good for her, but b/c Mars is exalted - her signifier she could walk away unscathed?

I got the yes from the aspecting as a conjunction. i.e. this http://www.skyscript.co.uk/perfection.html

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This is the table to follow when it comes to dignity and debility.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/essential_dignities.html

Detriment and fall are two debilities.
Jupiter and Venus are debilitated, both in detriment.

A conjunction is almost always a yes but when combust (conjunct the Sun within 8 degress), a planet loses it's power to act. An already weak Venus has no more power to lose.

Sun is in Aries, Mars' domicile. So there's sharing of power happening here. Nevertheless, Mars is still weakened/blinded. Furthermore, some astrologers say that Mars can't be combust since it's hot and dry like the Sun, the same humour that is.

posted May 04, 2013 05:30 AM            

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Originally posted by depth:

This is the table to follow when it comes to dignity and debility.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/essential_dignities.html

Detriment and fall are two debilities.
Jupiter and Venus are debilitated, both in detriment.

A conjunction is almost always a yes but when combust (conjunct the Sun within 8 degress), a planet loses it's power to act. An already weak Venus has no more power to lose.

Sun is in Aries, Mars' domicile. So there's sharing of power happening here. Nevertheless, Mars is still weakened/blinded. Furthermore, some astrologers say that Mars can't be combust since it's hot and dry like the Sun, the same humour that is.

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I use this version of that chart.

I see Jupiter in Term from 7-13 degrees???

Also, I know about the combust, but figured b/c Sun was the male's secondary signifier it was not as relevant. I will have to find the link to that one though. Likewise, as she is Mars I was more concerned for her well being. So okay, this one is debatable, will have to update you. i.e. seems like a yes, but not necessarily - I will make a note at the top of this thread.

posted May 04, 2013 06:02 AM            

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Originally posted by imeanj:

I never knew that Mars sitting in the 7th or likewise, Aries interception meant a yes. Does that make Chart 5 a yes then?

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If I were a heterosexual guy and I asked : Is my partner cheating on me and the astrologer sees
- Sun or Mars sitting in the 7th
- or Leo/Aries intercepted
- or quesited's planet in aspect with Sun/Mars
- And neither Sun nor Mars is the primary significator of querent/quesited, it's a yes (the quesited's cheating).

In this case, you don't normally take Sun as a co-significator.

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Thanks for the clarification in regards to signifiers - but why is there no Mars?

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Sun and Mars represent Men.
Moon and Venus represent Women.

THINKING BEING:

The ascendant is the most unique thing in a chart. The Sun/venus/jupiter...and Moon to an extent stay in the same position for a day. What makes one horary chart different from another chart, cast around the same time, is the ascendant. So we take the ascendant as the querent and 7th as quesited. Their rulers are the primary significators.

ACTION:

Moon is the fastest moving planet in a chart and therefore represents action. It's advised not to start anything new when the moon is void and astrologers say 'nothing will come of the matter' when the Moon is void. No Moon aspect = no action.

SEXUAL BEINGS:

We're done with the Moon and the asc/desc axis. So now who becomes the universal significator of the sexual being within us. With Moon taken, we're left with Venus for women. This is very appropriate because even in natal astrology Venus is the mistress types. Between Sun and Mars, the Sun obviously has an upper hand over Mars and bags the title.

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[/B]Also, what happens when there's a aspect with the moon, but its the querent. i.e. If Sun and Moon in the first chart somehow made an aspect - does that mean yes?[/B]

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In the first chart, even if Moon was making an applying aspect to the Sun, the answer would have been No. The Sun in this case represents the querent and not the quesited. It would've been yes, if Aquarius was rising as Sun would then represent the guy.

posted May 04, 2013 06:20 AM            

Mars is domicile, cazimi and in it's own house which doesn't translate well. Your friend is attracted to the guy but the guy isn't. He's into himself. I'm also quite suspicious about Sun, the ruler of his 5th. There's excellent mutual reception between the two. I hope the Sun represents his sexual side.

Mars is in the last 3 degrees of Aries and will soon change sign and move into Taurus. This indicates a change of feelings, a very good thing for the querent.

On a negative note, there's an applying square between Moon/Sun without reception. Furthermore, Moon's last aspect is a square to Mars, his significator with bad reception. Retrograde, peregrine Saturn in the 1st is malefic. Saturn, the lord of the 5H of romance, is moving towards an opposition with Venus (the querent).

It's a No, he's not the one. Saturn also represents delays so she needs to wait longer for Mr. right.

posted May 04, 2013 06:39 AM            

Wonderful xplanations!

I have always ever read that Sun represents the male (mojo).
Is it possible that Mars is also a general significator for the man (quesited), if it is not a significator for the querent herself?

posted May 04, 2013 06:58 AM            

Yes, he still has feeling for her.
Mercury is in Jupiter's triplicity and Jupiter is in Mercury's sign of domicile. Both planets are accidentally, if not essentially, strong enough to act.

Moon's last aspect is a trine to 5H ruler, Mars which sits in the 5h of romance/love.
Looks like they will get back.

posted May 04, 2013 07:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I have always ever read that Sun represents the male (mojo).
Is it possible that Mars is also a general significator for the man (quesited), if it is not a significator for the querent herself?

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I've never heard of Mars being used as a general significator.

In Horary astrology, Mars is an inferior malefic while the Sun is seen as a benefic. The Sun is superior to Mars and can burn him. While Mars destroys, Sun gives life. And Sex is also procreation.

If we take a chart (cast by a male querent) with Gemini rising as an example, every significant planet in this chart serves a purpose (Mercury/Moon/Sun = querent and Jupiter/Venus = quesited). However, if Mars too was a general significator of men in Horary, there would've been confusion (Mercury/Moon/Sun/MARS). Too many cooks spoil the broth.

And imagine the human rights protest outside Lilly's office. 'Men have 3 significators while women have only 2!' The balance is gone. Maybe that's why Lilly assigned 2 representatives to each sex. The Moon is almost always unisex.

posted May 04, 2013 01:10 PM            

First, we look to the two signifiers - they must have an applying aspect. The aspects must then either have mutual reception or somehow be in each other's houses - could you explain more the difference between these too? What do we prefer? To be exalted? Or in each other's houses? (Obviously, both - but of the two?) These also general designate feelings more than action.

EDIT: This chart is key: http://www.skyscript.co.uk/perfection.html

Second, we look to the moon, we want her to be interacting with the signifiers - primary is strong, tertiary is okay. What is the difference between interaction between primary and tertiary? Moon VOC is actually not just in 27-3 degrees, but when she is making aspects etc. Also watch for her being in Via Combusta.

Third, we look at the tertiary symbols to see sexually what is going on. Sidebar, if there is a Venus or Mars in the 7th house or Aries or Libra intercepted and the question is about cheating - you are most definitely being cheated on.

Fourth, we look at other signifiers for more information. Where Saturn is always a kicker - especially if he is ruling the 5th or 7th houses or in those houses of the querent or quested. Obviously, Lily's basic rules for reading apply in general - Ascendant to early or late, etc. - basics. Retrograde planets and the like are important as well.

How'd I do? I know I'm missing translation of light here, but I'm trying to get the basics, 101, done in regards to reading.