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hannaramaa
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posted August 08, 2013 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you read the cards together or individually (Cards 7 through 10) in the Celtic Cross? For some reason I find it hard reading them together, like adding onto one another but I would like to get better at it. Any tips?

For this one reading about someone's love life in general I got

6 of Swords
The Lovers
Queen of Wands
8 of Wands / Page of Wands (I always draw an 11th card as a clarifier. Plus I just like the number 11. )

She's currently going through a separation from her husband at this time, but is basically single. I said the 6 of Swords meant she needs to take a break, give her mind a break, and let other people take care of her. Would the next three cards insinuate meeting someone she clicks with instantly?

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posted August 08, 2013 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love&Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hanna, i think the Lovers is for a choice she will have to make in this regard after she has moved away/back from this relationship. The next court card denotes the personality of the person she ought to choose or will go for depending on what sort of question you have asked the tarot. It could also show her attitude after the moving away. Strong, fire like, etc in connection to this aspect of her life (She need not be basically that way). That depends on what you have exactly asked while laying the cards. And finally 8 of wands is the fast movement in this direction. Some message etc connected with it. Page of wands only confirms this. She will come up with some creative, adventurous ideas after this. It will be in the bud stage. Just my 2 cents. What came to me immediately. I hope some expert chips in.

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posted August 09, 2013 03:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Twirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Hannah

I read the cards seperately and apply their meanings on the initial question and the first 6 cards. Also because I use them as 'extra information' cards & I put emotions on position 7 + 9.
I agree much with what Love&light says.
8 of wands probably points out to it coming to a quick ending + page wands (as freedom/starting over). Just my initial thought. Many other possibilities. Lovers also roughly points out that is what she wishes.
If you want to look at the deeper meanings, you can take in the symbols, suits, colours & numbers of all the cards & see if that tells you more.
Hope this helps.

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posted August 09, 2013 03:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are they separating due to another woman interfering in the marriage?

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posted August 09, 2013 03:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Do you read the cards together or individually (Cards 7 through 10) in the Celtic Cross? For some reason I find it hard reading them together, like adding onto one another but I would like to get better at it. Any tips?

For this one reading about someone's love life in general I got

6 of Swords
The Lovers
Queen of Wands
8 of Wands / Page of Wands (I always draw an 11th card as a clarifier. Plus I just like the number 11. )

She's currently going through a separation from her husband at this time, but is basically single. I said the 6 of Swords meant she needs to take a break, give her mind a break, and let other people take care of her. Would the next three cards insinuate meeting someone she clicks with instantly?


Hi Hanna,

Position no. 7 is all about the current state of the person/general evolutionary vector. She is pretty immersed in the process of moving away from her husband, this is as much as can be understood from this position alone. I wonder if it's just moving for the sake of the moving though. With the QoW in the 9th apparently she lacks confidence/self-sufficiency, at any rate to the extent she wishes she possessed those qualities. Fiery energy is what she longs for, just being someone dashing and dazzling. Is she working on it? It would be a massive mistake to read this as the other woman, especially not in the 9th.

The Lovers in the 8th - gee, this one is not awesome Like everyone around her seems to be in happy relationships, feeling fulfilled and whatnot, which results in aggravation and resentment to some extent or other (the why-not-me part, I don't really know how strong it is).

The outcome... Kinda nice though, just by the look of it. New prospects plus this fiery young man.... Perhaps a bit too young, depending on what she looks for. Not the provider, but defo cool and interesting. I wonder... what's in the 3rd (i usually have that above 1 and 2), for best outcome? the 3rd together with the 10th sometimes sheds loads of light

Have you read about the Ouroboros spread? It is used to delve into an existing CC and shed additional light, sometimes helps very much

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posted August 09, 2013 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by EmpressMendez:
Are they separating due to another woman interfering in the marriage?

No, surprisingly... I know that's a really common reason for divorce among finances.

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posted August 09, 2013 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Have you read about the Ouroboros spread?" No! Never heard of it! I've strayed so far from the Celtic Cross for so long and just stuck to random three card draws. It seems I've lost some muscle in that area (the CC) and never explored other spreads. In my Idiot Guide to Tarot book it lists a spread that's basically a double CC. Is that the same as the Ouroboro one? Ya know, I'll just go google that now.

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posted August 09, 2013 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also @andstuff, the 3rd card was Knight of Pentacles.

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posted August 09, 2013 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Love&Light:
Hanna, i think the Lovers is for a choice she will have to make in this regard after she has moved away/back from this relationship. The next court card denotes the personality of the person she ought to choose or will go for depending on what sort of question you have asked the tarot. It could also show her attitude after the moving away. Strong, fire like, etc in connection to this aspect of her life (She need not be basically that way). That depends on what you have exactly asked while laying the cards. And finally 8 of wands is the fast movement in this direction. Some message etc connected with it. Page of wands only confirms this. She will come up with some creative, adventurous ideas after this. It will be in the bud stage. Just my 2 cents. What came to me immediately. I hope some expert chips in.

Wait, the Queen of Wands - she shouldn't be this way?

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posted August 09, 2013 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love&Light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Wait, the Queen of Wands - she shouldn't be this way?

I meant since the QoW has come in connection with his reading for this particular aspect (marriage/love) it is applicable in particular it may not be related to her usual personality.

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posted August 09, 2013 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ha, this is clashing a bit. Do you use the third position as best outcome or do you use them differently?

Because if it is the best outcome it's an altogether different velocity from that of 8 wands. Maybe (definitely only a maybe) it means that if your Querent and whoever she will meet play their cards right there is potential for a stable long-term connection, a lot of mutual care/support, Virgo-style.

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posted August 09, 2013 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by andstuff:
Ha, this is clashing a bit. Do you use the third position as best outcome or do you use them differently?

Because if it is the best outcome it's an altogether different velocity from that of 8 wands. Maybe (definitely only a maybe) it means that if your Querent and whoever she will meet play their cards right there is potential for a stable long-term connection, a lot of mutual care/support, Virgo-style.


No I thought the 3rd position was read as the root of the question? I thought 5th is the goal or best possible outcome and 6th would be what is coming up in the near future.

Timing wise, I look at 6th and 10th. I haven't thought about how other positions correlate to each other.

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posted August 09, 2013 07:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
No, surprisingly... I know that's a really common reason for divorce among finances.

That's odd looking at the Lovers in the environment position thought it would be that.

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posted August 09, 2013 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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No I thought the 3rd position was read as the root of the question? I thought 5th is the goal or best possible outcome and 6th would be what is coming up in the near future.

Timing wise, I look at 6th and 10th. I haven't thought about how other positions correlate to each other.


This really depends on what celtic cross layout you used. There are many different layouts out there

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posted August 09, 2013 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, I used the standard one where position one is the querent, second is crossing / the obstacle for the querent, third is the root, fourth is recent past, five is the goal, sixth near future, etc.

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posted August 09, 2013 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Oh, I used the standard one where position one is the querent, second is crossing / the obstacle for the querent, third is the root, fourth is recent past, five is the goal, sixth near future, etc.

Ahh I see. When I did celtic cross I used a different one. I don't really use spreads though. Lovers may mean that she might meet more than one person, but she needs to fully move on from her divorce (6 of Swords) in a peaceful manner once and for all. 8 of Wands + Page of Wands I see a lot of messages, and/or some traveling

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posted August 10, 2013 02:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for andstuff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Oh, I used the standard one where position one is the querent, second is crossing / the obstacle for the querent, third is the root, fourth is recent past, five is the goal, sixth near future, etc.

as the root this knight makes more sense. perhaps she is feeling like there's a long way to go, but also that... she's calmer than could be expected?

i tend to use the one in waite's "pictorial guide" [no. 3 above for best outcome, no.4 below for root, no. 5 on the left for the past, no. 6 for future influences] hence the cross wires

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