posted October 12, 2013 04:49 PM            

I've met all of his girlfriends so far, but never talked much to them. I know one of them was intellectual, free-spirited, expansive and friendly, but the other two seem to follow the rule of his flings: trophy women. I can't say they are dumb (I don't even think they are), but they are always the type of women that makes a man look good to his friends. And I'm nothing like that! I'd resent any man making me out to be an accessory of any kind. Oh, I actually remember him once asking me why I hung around with my friends, adding "is it because they make you look prettier?" As if I'd care for that...

Anyways, I think that with his Leo ASC, that Taurus energy actually makes him care more about women's appearance than it'd be normal for a Virgo Moon (as a Virgo Sun, that's something that's never been an issue for me).

I checked and Neptune falls in his 6th, but this is an approximated birth hour, and it could go both ways... If it's later than I thought, it'll definitely place Neptune in his 5th.

Since I’m learning my lesson about people usually feeling their 7H most, this is interesting as it pertains to you. First, you have a heavy Venus energy in your chart, which would certainly pull someone with his chart to you like a moth to flame. Second, remember earlier how I said a lot of the time a guy’s Moon or Venus will point toward the sun/moon signs he is most attracted to? Well, with his DSC in Aqua AND his Venus there, you’ve got a double whammy as far as his attraction to your moon/emotional level of comfort you can offer him. His Moon is also in Virgo, meaning he will feel emotionally secure around a strong Virgo placement, which you have. Mercury is also conjunct his DSC, and it’s your ruling sign. His “puzzle piece” girl will be someone who is creative, broad-minded, outgoing, communicative, eloquent, reliable, analytical, tactful, romantic (not mushy gushy love romantic, but romantic in the sense of idealistic about reality, like the puzzle piece thing in the first place), loyal, and full of life.

Haha, you're too funny. I just get this vibe that you're cheering me on, as you analyse our charts, lol. It's ok if you are, btw I truly want this description to be of me, which I think can totally be applied to my person... modesty, anyone? xD

posted October 12, 2013 04:51 PM            

Aren't this the truth! All of his girlfriends were dumped by him, and I know one of them was even without a single notice. I don't know the whole story behind it, but apparently he broke up with her in the evening after spending a whole day smooching on the pool with her (I know this because it was on a high school senior kind of trip - which I didn't go but was told about).

Let me try to explain this from a Virgo point of view... I know Moon and Sun express differently in us, but I can definitely understand him having a list of deal-breakers. Actually, I don't think it's a list of deal-breakers or even that we have to have perfection. Being Earth signs, we know there's no perfection and that dirt will always sweep in eventually. It's more to do with our own inner set of morals. I can tell you that his and mine are a bit different (he can bend his morals, I can't do that to mine; we also have distinct points of view on what constitute a moral), but in the end we don't compromise on them. They are just there and we can ignore them for a while so we can co-habitate with other people. However, it always comes a day when we just can't take it anymore, you're going to be cut off because you're not what we expect from people. Virgos are really big on honesty, and we can spot lies and phoniness a mile away. Some Virgos can tolerate it, while others can't. For me, it depends on what the lie and/or phoniness will reflect upon: if it's a core value, deal-breaker, if it's not a core value, I can handle you, if we have breaks between meetings. I think Moons will have a harder time dealing with violation to their core morals and values because it's such a delicate place to touch, they probably feel like they were violated on a personal level. But then, I think you forget Virgo is a mutable sign, so we're not fixed on what we want and think, we are actually open to be proven wrong (even though we don't like it when it happens). Indeed, we can be romantic cynics, in the sense that we expect things to go down a certain way (usually negative) but hope that someone will prove us wrong. Does that make sense to you?

sorry I’m not more helpful in this arena!

posted October 14, 2013 11:03 AM            

I said that because that's what the astrodienst style chart said it was: Pluto and Mars dominant, with Jupiter in detriment.

Hey girl! I have lots to respond to!! First the above: Actually that "Dom." in astrodienist means "domicile" as opposed to "dominant." Pluto and Mars are in their ruling signs (Scorpio and Aries), and when this occurs in a chart, a planet is considered "at home" or in its "domicile." Jupiter is in detriment because it is in the sign opposite of its ruler (Gemini).

That said, your Pluto is definitely heavy because it is your only planet in a water sign (singleton), it's the only planet in 11H (double singleton)**, and it makes the most contacts of any of your planets. Mar sis heavy by default just because it's in Aries, but I would argue that your Venus carries a little more power because of it being your chart's main dispositor. Venus isn't necessarily all about love! Venus rules two signs...Taurus and Libra. In Taurus, she manifests much like I was saying in your guy's reading: material comforts, love for textures, smells, anything that affects the senses and elicits an emotional response whether it's pleasure or discomfort.."pleasure" being a more dominant reaction that she's associated with. In Libra she manifests as balance, partnership, relationships, an eye for pretty things/being pretty herself, creative expression particularly in writing or drafting legal-type documents.

posted October 14, 2013 12:25 PM            

I've met all of his girlfriends so far, but never talked much to them. I know one of them was intellectual, free-spirited, expansive and friendly, but the other two seem to follow the rule of his flings: trophy women.

I totally see this, and as such I’m guessing that his Neptune probably is firmly rooted in his 5H (pulling more Taurean traits into his “fling” factor). His Leo ASC will also vibe easily easily with women who manifest his 5H, since 5H is ruled by Leo. I see his Neptune in 5H as the chart is, it’s just super close to the 6H cusp, but even with a later birth time it’ll stay in 5H. I think his penchant for a “trophy” woman does speak to his Leo ASC also. Leos are prideful and do like to be seen as “it” people surrounded by the right crowd, places, and things. This guy is younger than you judging by the outer planets (unless he’s like 100 years older haha…doubt it), and since we can’t count on astrology for everything I think that a lot of the behavior he exhibits has to do with his maturity level. Before I even contemplated how old he might be, I wrote earlier about his “immature” Virgo moon behavior…and it seems like maybe I was picking up on his overall cognitive development. Young guys are fickle and superficial when it comes to who they want to be in a relationship with, or if they are even ready to be in a relationship, and so all this “go get her Facebook for me” and toying with your emotions (“I’ll set you up with someone”) is for me something psychological rather than astrological: I don’t doubt that he is attracted to you, but what I think is that he knows you like him, and so he has you in the palm of his hand. I don’t think he is done being young and stupid and flirting with everyone and making out with everyone…whereas it seems you offer something much more mature, stable, and are less in want of a relationship to be lighthearted. Which brings me to:

On a side note, I've sat for three different types of tarot reading concerning him (embarrassingly persistent of me, I know ), and all of them said he was attracted to me, is keeping it in tight control and thinking out what he wants to do with it. It seems he's very conflicted about these feelings for me

I think these readings are accurate from what I’ve seen in his chart and what you’ve told me. As I was saying, he’s being a typical young, red-blooded guy, having fun and flirting with everyone and anything. He knows you like him, but it’s not something he is ready to act on whether that's because he is being selfish (he doesn’t feel the same way for you/you might not fit his “ideal” right now, but he likes the attention and is keeping it around), or because he is actually being realistic (he knows what a catch you are, but knows he isn’t in the same place…yet doesn’t want to ruin the friendship/lose the potential, so he wants you in his life in some capacity). Given that you haven’t spoken to him in about a month…well, I don’t know you or him so I don’t really know the cause of it. This is just my intuition kicking in, but I feel as if it might be because he realized just how into him you were, and his (extremely immature) response was to cut it off by way of silence rather than being up front and honest with you about the situation. I think he'll slink back in time, but make sure when he does that you are very aware of exactly what it is that he wants from your relationship. If it's not an actual romantic relationship, be very real with yourself about whether or not you are able to have him in your life if he can't offer you what you want from him. If that means telling him you need to keep him at a distance until you can work through and out of romantic feelings for him, then do it. You're more in control of this situation than you think, and I know your Aqua moon and Virgo sun know they're stronger than these emotions and can find a better place to channel them.

Haha, you're too funny. I just get this vibe that you're cheering me on, as you analyse our charts, lol. It's ok if you are, btw I truly want this description to be of me, which I think can totally be applied to my person... modesty, anyone? xD

Girl! I know you are all those things, and I don’t even know you personally! You’re extremely bright, but also sharp. I am cheering you on as far as this guy goes if that is what you want, but I definitely was not trying to say with absolute certainty that you two will end up together—no one can tell that just from a chart, you know? Even with all those awesome aspects between the two. It’s harder to be objective when you have a crush on someone, but he is definitely playing games, and I’m not so sure that this cat and mouse thing he’s got going on is because he reciprocates your deep feelings…it seems a little more like he appreciates your company and attention, but selfishly. I’m sorry!! Ahh, I hate being the bearer of bad news, and just keep in mind this is only my take on the situation from hearing about him/his behavior and knowing he is in his early 20s.

Btw, I forgot to add that when he asked me to get the girl's facebook page and I was very reluctant to, he convinced me by saying he trusted me with exposing himself (to ridicule, I think he meant)... Well, as far as I know (Virgo Sun), that's a big thing, right?

This is kind of a perfect example of what I was saying above. I do think he trusts you, and I do think he appreciates your company, but this is unequivocally something that a guy that you are interested in/a guy who is interested in you should never, ever do. It seems like he feels comfortable around you and is willing to let his walls down. This is a “big thing” as far as deepening the bonds of your friendship goes—he is being vulnerable, we only allow people we trust into our innermost emotional depths like this—but it’s also kind of an a-hole move on his part (excuse me for the language. If I knew Portuguese for a-hole I would have used it, haha). Essentially what he has done is this: “I want to know this attractive stranger. I don’t know how to get into contact with her, but Fille might. Fille is my friend, and I also know she has a crush on me. I trust her and I know she will do me the favor of finding out how to know the attractive stranger because she wants to please me.” What he left out of his train of thought is, “This is a completely immature and malicious thing to ask of Fille because I know she has feelings for me. It is very wrong to capitalize on knowing I can ask her to help me when I am, in fact, asking her to help me with something that I know will hurt her feelings.” Astrologically, this can be attributed to the Leo ASC (ego-fueled), Pisces sun (dream world, not realizing effect of his requests on others), Aqua venus (exercising his need for "space" in a relationship by doing something he knows will push away your strong feelings for him).

Anyhow, as I said much more of this is a psychological evaluation and an overall analysis of human behavior. When it comes down to it, I think this guy is just too young to care about finding someone as awesome as you to settle into a monogamous relationship with--but once he matures and is more in-tune with his 7H traits, you'll be the exact woman he wants in his life. That will probably be in a year or two, but by then you’re going to have moved on and with someone 10x better who treats you with 100x more respect and this guy will be kicking himself. Pinky swear.

posted October 14, 2013 04:48 PM            

I did intuitively know he was playing mind-games (I think I even mentioned it to you) but didn't want to put voice to this thought, because I knew what I'd do - keep him at giant's arms distance. Like I said previously, Virgos value truth and sincerity above all else, and this is just not something I can go back to. Perhaps one day he'll mature. Perhaps we'll both be single when he does. Perhaps we won't. Nothing is set on stone and time will tell. I'm honest to God glad for your very straightforward wake-up call. Hearts and hugs for you, you beautiful girl you!

Let me get to what you said about me now.

Venus rules two signs...Taurus and Libra. In Taurus, she manifests much like I was saying in your guy's reading: material comforts, love for textures, smells, anything that affects the senses and elicits an emotional response whether it's pleasure or discomfort.."pleasure" being a more dominant reaction that she's associated with. In Libra she manifests as balance, partnership, relationships, an eye for pretty things/being pretty herself, creative expression particularly in writing or drafting legal-type documents.

Omg... I'm definitely Venusian. I think I tend to fall more to the Libra espectrum because of my Mercury in there, but I definitely feel Taurus' energy manifesting in my life, especially with food and comfort. I can handle when things aren't to my liking but when they are... I'm in earthly heaven! Definitely a creature of comforts, I am.

I'm not sure how strong you feel your Mercury is in 11H, so I've just assumed it feels more like it's in your 10H for the purpose of analyzing Pluto as a singleton.

I went and checked it. I totally feel Mercury more in my 10th than in my 11th house. I like small gatherings of people and think carefully about how I articulate my thoughts. But can someone feel two houses at a time? Perhaps it's my Aqua Moon that makes me so receptive to all kinds of people and broad-minded, since I don't care much for shocking people if it's not about some concrete and well thought-out idea.

posted October 14, 2013 05:25 PM            

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But can someone feel two houses at a time?

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posted October 14, 2013 05:28 PM            

Just by 5 months. And, believe me, his life experiences make him 10 years my elder, at least.

because he is actually being realistic (he knows what a catch you are, but knows he isn’t in the same place…yet doesn’t want to ruin the friendship/lose the potential, so he wants you in his life in some capacity).

I won't defend him to you because you're not saying he's a bad person, just that he's immature (which I agree). Tbh, though, I tend to lean more to this point of view, considering past evidences. Remember when I told you he was friends with my cousin before meeting me? Well, I can tell you they were just acquaintances, people you meet for one purpose and one purpose only, be it to play a game, be it for work. He got a lot closer to my cousin after we went to college and I asked for him to keep his distance (I actually did exactly what you advised me to, by own self and at 18 *preening* lol). I would literally wait for him to pass me, if I saw him first, or walk past him really fast. I totally thought I was done with these feelings until my cousin's girlfriend rekindled them by saying how much and how fondly he talks about me.

What you said about him realizing how much into him I was sounds valid. He was very, VERY uncomfortable the first time around. It took us three years to be back on regular speaking terms, and because I think he noticed I was crushing on another guy. I honestly believe he's afraid to lose my friendship; he has always pulled through when things were unbalanced and I refused to excuse him. I also have this feel that I disconcert him... I don't know. Doesn't seem to matter, either way.

You're more in control of this situation than you think, and I know your Aqua moon and Virgo sun know they're stronger than these emotions and can find a better place to channel them.

*bear hug*

I am cheering you on as far as this guy goes if that is what you want, but I definitely was not trying to say with absolute certainty that you two will end up together—no one can tell that just from a chart, you know?

I know!! Honestly, I come and go about him being what I want. I love him, there's no way around it. But I'm not sure I'm in love with him, you know? For me to get involved with someone, I must first establish a friendship, and this just blurries the line between loving a person as a friend and loving a person as a lover. Like I said above, only time will tell.

Anyhow, as I said much more of this is a psychological evaluation and an overall analysis of human behavior. When it comes down to it, I think this guy is just too young to care about finding someone as awesome as you to settle into a monogamous relationship with--but once he matures and is more in-tune with his 7H traits, you'll be the exact woman he wants in his life. That will probably be in a year or two, but by then you’re going to have moved on and with someone 10x better who treats you with 100x more respect and this guy will be kicking himself. Pinky swear.

Awww! You're just too good to me... I'm really not that awesome. I think this maturity of his will take longer than a year or two. I think you psychological analisys is just as spot-on as your astrological one, you awesome girl you!

Thanks so much for that awesome insight to a Virgo mindset!

Glad to be bringing something to the table, after all these deep and fruitfull analises of yours! Virgos love to serve and help, and I feel useful by giving you insight into an earth sign. If you ever need a glimpse into the Capricornian mask... I've got you covered.

posted October 14, 2013 05:51 PM            

And yes!! Post his chart, this is fun for me

posted October 14, 2013 05:58 PM            

Let me give you my email, now that I'm sure you'll see it really fast... I don't have an "alias" email so you get the personal one

(I'll edit it out in a few minutes)