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calliope23
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posted October 08, 2013 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for calliope23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi all! I haven't been active on this site for quite some time...things have gotten hectic recently.

I'm wondering if anyone is willing to read the transit chart posted below in regard to whether or not it's a good day to sign a business related contract? Any insight to natal placements as far as career go would also be much appreciated.

I am willing to offer a natal reading exchange--I'm best with relationship/love type things I don't do synastry, but I do composites if you don't want a natal reading.

Thanks!

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posted October 08, 2013 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for calliope23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will also take a tarot/any card-type spread to get answers on whether or not it's a good day to sign a business contract/start things up...and will exchange the natal or composite reading

I can also do just general natal readings if you're not interested in love/romance.

Thanks all!

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posted October 08, 2013 02:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why don't you draw a horary chart, dear? That might also be helpful...

Meditate on it, think something along the lines of "will nov 1st be a good day to sign this contract?" and get the exact time you put out this thought to the world. Go to astro.com and draw the chart (Regiomontanus is a better style than the web default one).

I've been studying horary lately and done some progress on it. I can try and help you

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posted October 08, 2013 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for calliope23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Why don't you draw a horary chart, dear? That might also be helpful...

Meditate on it, think something along the lines of "will nov 1st be a good day to sign this contract?" and get the exact time you put out this thought to the world. Go to astro.com and draw the chart (Regiomontanus is a better style than the web default one).

I've been studying horary lately and done some progress on it. I can try and help you


Thanks filleaspirant! I started to delve into horary, but got too overwhelmed! Haha. I think I cast the horary correctly...here it is Thanks for your help, and let me know what sort of reading you would like in exchange

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posted October 08, 2013 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're Jupiter and the celebration of contract is Saturn. They're in application and trining, which is good.

You're in H8, weakest, while the bussiness is in H11, a bit stronger.

You're in home-oriented Cancer. Does the bussiness have anything to do with home/family/nurturing? Also, Cancer is supposed to be good with money, so this might be a good sign. Jupiter is in exaltation in Cancer, so you're in luck indeed.

Saturn's in goal-oriented Scorpio. It is in a fixed sign, which reenforces the idea that this bussiness will endure. A warning must be made, though, there might be a secret play under wraps, so being careful with who you enter into a contract is advised. Since it's a bussiness, getting some legal advice beforehand is highly recommended. This warning is made more important by the presence of Pluto in the 1st house (it's presence there indicates a complication and that you're in a vulnerable position, most likely exposure or to be thrown into a position of isolation in some way)...

Moon is very much aspected, so there might be some bumps on the road. That 8º orb points to weeks or even months, but not days... Looks like you might celebrate a contract that benefits you more later, in early December or even in june/july of next year.

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posted October 08, 2013 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let me know if this resonated somehow with you.

As for the exchange, can you do a natal love/romance reading for me?

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posted October 08, 2013 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for calliope23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey filleaspirant! Thanks for the reading. I wanted to get you yours, but I will reply to mine soon! Kinda crunched for time right now.

Also, a disclaimer...I haven't read for someone in months, and I'm a little bit rusty. I hope this reading isn't totally out of whack :\

Let’s look at your 5th/7th/8th houses and Juno.

By the way, I am assuming you are female from the vibe I picked up on, but I apologize if you are a male! I don’t think you are though ☺

You have Aries on the 5H cusp, with Mars actually in Aries next door in 4H (no planets in 5H, so looking for the cusp ruler here). Lots of Aries energy! Are you drawn to them? We each feel our 5/7/8 houses differently, but your 5H seems pretty strong, but 8H might give it a run for its money, Anyway, because 5H represents our sense of what is fun, immediately captivating, and gives us those butterflies-in-our-stomach feelings of romance, I’d say very “manly” men with a somewhat discernible sensitive side initially catch your attention. This reads to me as someone who is immediately attractive to you because he is confident and assertive, but his complete charm must also rest in his emitting a sense of genuine interest in others and reciprocity rather than simply arrogant self-interest. Since Mars typically indicates what women are physically attracted to in men, this could also translate into your proclivity for “manly” looking men, but with softer features…kind of like a Channing Tatum (undeniably masculine, but also somewhat of a babyface). Cancer influence for a 4H Mars (fierce compassion, loyalty, nurturing) mixed with Pisces on 4H cusp (also a compassionate and caring sign) is extremely important to attraction factor for you because Cancer falls on your DSC as well as 8H. You want a guy who is very big on family, or maybe one who takes on a more traditional male role by supporting the household financially (7H ruler, Moon, in 2H ruled by hardworking Cap). I think, though, with Mars in 4H, you might end up with a man who runs your home while you have the career (your sun in 10, with Virgo MC and aspecting 6H and 2H…and the Cap ASC, i.e. your self and being tied closely to your public image and career). Aries on 5H, creative Pisces on 4H, and your Moon in Aqua make you more kinetic, self-motivated and non-traditional when it comes to romance/home life, whereas a lot of your “partner’s” qualities fall in Cancerian themes (Mars in 4H, DSC/8H both with Cancer cusp). I wonder how your Cancer DSC (someone nurturing and emotionally needy balancing you out) mixes with your Aqua Moon (independence making you feel emotionally safe)? I very much get the sense of an “opposites attract” situation when it comes to who you end up with. Regardless, your Leo Juno and Venus in 8H mean you crave being the absolute apple of someone’s eye; you want to be showered in affection and to be shown off and highly admired by your partner. You demand commitment from someone, and with that Cancer energy in all your relationship houses you’ll definitely get it. You probably fall wholeheartedly for anyone who triggers your 8H! Do you feel it more than your 5H/4H?

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posted October 09, 2013 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let me know when you can, dear. Also, if you could update me when Nov 1st comes around would be awesome too

And yes, you picked on my female vibe alrighty.

I haven't interacted closely with any Aries, so can't say I'm attracted to them.

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I’d say very “manly” men with a somewhat discernible sensitive side initially catch your attention. This reads to me as someone who is immediately attractive to you because he is confident and assertive, but his complete charm must also rest in his emitting a sense of genuine interest in others and reciprocity rather than simply arrogant self-interest.

I don't mind much the manly appearance, but I do feel more attracted to those who give off an invariable masculine vibe (nothing in-your face, though, I can't stand crudeness). There's only been one guy that I've liked that was really manly, and that was after months of getting to know him and his friendly, fun side and how good he was to his friends. So yes, spot-on there.

I do tend to prefer a guy who's big on family over a "stray", so to speak. Gives me a sense of security and commitment that my Leo Venus and Virgo Sun need.

And yeah, I'm attracted more to my polar opposite, emotionally wise. I still need someone that can keep up with conversation and that I can be proud of and show off (that Leo Venus is such a nuisance), but I also need someone who's more in touch with their feelings and will look for me for support and confort. Nothing clingy and no jealousy, though. No time for that, lol.

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your Leo Juno and Venus in 8H mean you crave being the absolute apple of someone’s eye; you want to be showered in affection and to be shown off and highly admired by your partner. You demand commitment from someone, and with that Cancer energy in all your relationship houses you’ll definitely get it.

Oh yeah, THIS. Definitely accurate. And I'm not even vain, you know? But I really want my man to admire me and be proud.

With Cancer dominating my relationship houses, can I gather that my most fulfilling relationships will be with Cancer Sun/Moon/Venus? Or that I'll have its energy will pervade through all my significant love affairs?

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You probably fall wholeheartedly for anyone who triggers your 8H! Do you feel it more than your 5H/4H?

I've only really liked 4 guys so far (hey, I'm still young ), and none of them triggered my 8th house, which is probably why nothing ever came out of it.

I actually went and did a quick study of our synastry, and yeah, no planets on my 8th house. The most I saw was the IC point of one of them there. But the strongest one I fell for had his Sun in my 4th. The next one, his Mars and Jupiter fell in my 5th (it was the IC of this one that fell in my 8th). The third one, his Mercury and Moon fell in my 5th. The latest one, only his Chiron fell in my 5th, but his DC point does fall in my 8th (there was a lot of support going on on this relationship, but I think he actually triggered abandonment issues in me ).

Was this tmi???? Ignore if it was, please xD

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posted October 09, 2013 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for calliope23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey! I'll respond to my reading first, but then I want to get to more on yours


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A warning must be made, though, there might be a secret play under wraps, so being careful with who you enter into a contract is advised. Since it's a bussiness, getting some legal advice beforehand is highly recommended.

It's funny that this appears, because I kind of feel like there is something "hidden" or that I'll be taken advantage of. I'm definitely seeking legal counsel before I sign anything--I've also had a psychic tell me the utter importance of having legal review with any contract I sign, so verrrrrry interesting to see that advice resound in this chart as well.


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Moon is very much aspected, so there might be some bumps on the road. That 8º orb points to weeks or even months, but not days... Looks like you might celebrate a contract that benefits you more later, in early December or even in june/july of next year.

Funny, the psychic also told me that she saw something happening closer to June for me. I wonder how that will appear. I'm hoping it just means the business might take off then, as I'm not opening it that late. I will definitely let you know what happens as November nears. What I had a hard time doing in the horary is actually figuring out how to pose the question for what I'm asking since this particular contract I'm concerned takes effect in November, but has to be signed sometime this month. I just did a general posing of "will what x contract entails lead to success" type question, but I think I got answers that align with the query. Thanks so much for reading it for me! I'd love to get into horary, but it's so damn vast and complicated! I guess all astrology is though...

Okay now onto you!

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And yeah, I'm attracted more to my polar opposite, emotionally wise. I still need someone that can keep up with conversation and that I can be proud of and show off (that Leo Venus is such a nuisance), but I also need someone who's more in touch with their feelings and will look for me for support and confort. Nothing clingy and no jealousy, though. No time for that, lol.

Although I said I hadn’t read for anyone in months, I’m still shocked that every single time I do EVERYONE connects with their DSC so deeply. I’ve always thought of the DSC as so much less of a thrilling energy for us because it relates to such an archaic definition of a relationship (being that it represent a “legal union” which is what “marriage” really is and what “love” used to be defined as…but modernly, relationships don’t necessitate a “legal union” as much as a union of the mind and soul to make us feel connected). I always expect people to go for 5H or even 8H, but not their DSC. I guess I just need to start leaning more heavily on the 7H!

Anyhow, What you’ve described above is the epitome of your Aqua moon: Needing someone who is intellectually on par with you and who looks to you for support and comfort, but that isn’t clingy. Aquas are definitely compassionate and giving, however it’s in a much more broad and humanitarian way. I wanted to originally discuss this in your reading, but couldn’t figure out a way to cohesively tie it in. Aquas think of compassion/nurturing in a more overarching sense—equality and justice for all, making everyone feel heard and ensuring they receive the care and attention necessary to make them comfortable—whereas a Cancer views compassion/nurturing on a case-by-case basis…which is where the “cling” factor comes in. Since Cancer is tied to ebb and flow energy, and thus reciprocity, they demand each individual relationship be a discrete set of two that bonds together and configures a whole, symbiotic unit—that is, each part (person) must rely on the other for roundness and survival in a Cancer’s mind. If, for example, you were to be in a relationship with a guy who has a ton of Cancer placements, he would be fine supporting you emotionally, but he’d probably want equally as much attention in return, something that might threaten your moon’s desire for a more liberal type of love and care. Which brings me to this question:

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With Cancer dominating my relationship houses, can I gather that my most fulfilling relationships will be with Cancer Sun/Moon/Venus? Or that I'll have its energy will pervade through all my significant love affairs?

Yes, Cancer does dominate your partnership houses, but I don’t think it’s going to be the strongest actual placement you’ll vibe best with. The “feel” of a Cancer relationship will be more important (PIsces can offer this, per your 4H sun guy). I’m not going to pretend to be an expert in synastry, because I’m not, but I would say Cancer Moon 0-15* (strongest) or up to 25* would be the best Cancer placement for you as it would fall in your 7H, and that Cancer sympathy and nurturing seem to be what you go for in a guy. A Cancer sun would work in there, and maybe an ebullient Cancer Jupiter would achieve the same end. Late Cap/early Aqua Suns might trigger your moon and make you feel that same type of bond also, though I think this would be more platonic feeling. As far as Venus, I always tend to think of a male having the Venus sign of his partner's rising, sun or moon...so Cap, Aqua or Virgo, but not too sure since I don't do synastry. A Cap Venus sounds kind of straight-laced, but he'll have that staying power you want. Mid to late Pisces placements in a guy will always be strong for you too. I also want to talk about Leo in connection to

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The latest one, only his Chiron fell in my 5th, but his DC point does fall in my 8th (there was a lot of support going on in this relationship, but I think he actually triggered abandonment issues in me

Okay, so: I hate giving negative readings, so I didn’t want to include this in your original one, but since you brought it up I want to touch on it. One thing about that 8H of yours with Venus and Juno in Leo…you probably feel incredibly vulnerable in love. When someone triggers this house I have a feeling it becomes that head-over-heels type of love, but the one where you always feel a little…subpar, or like someone with these placements doesn’t really appreciate you for what you are; that “not good enough” feeling. Again, not a synastry expert, but I think an Leo riser (or late Cancer rising) might be a good way to trigger your 8H because it adds the stability of his DSC falling onto your moon. He would get the emotional connection he needs from you, and since your sun would also trine his DSC (depending on the rising degree), it could add for a nice balance of him bringing out intense emotions from you and you offering him emotional support that makes him want to stay and worship you. Do you know any late Cancer/early Leo risers? How have they made you feel? It’s difficult to say, but I’d just be wary of people who have Leo placements because Leo is already a flirt and somewhat self-absorbed (though I honestly love Leos—I have a lot in my family and have always dated them), and with that sort of energy triggering your 8H of deeper emotions/fiery passion it can lead easily to jealousy and the abandonment issues you brought up. Still, I stick by my original point that someone triggering this house would make you fall really hard ☺

Okay, done pretending to know about synastry! Talk soon!

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posted October 09, 2013 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for that detailed feedback, Calliope! I've started studying horary very recently, and it's good to see how far I'm progressing. There's still a lot to be learned, but I'll get there eventually, hehe.

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I just did a general posing of "will what x contract entails lead to success" type question, but I think I got answers that align with the query.

Horary doesn't work with the question you thought in your head, it works with what you're really felt like asking. Considering your anxiety with this new business, that's probably what horary picked on.

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Although I said I hadn’t read for anyone in months, I’m still shocked that every single time I do EVERYONE connects with their DSC so deeply. I’ve always thought of the DSC as so much less of a thrilling energy for us because it relates to such an archaic definition of a relationship (being that it represent a “legal union” which is what “marriage” really is and what “love” used to be defined as…but modernly, relationships don’t necessitate a “legal union” as much as a union of the mind and soul to make us feel connected). I always expect people to go for 5H or even 8H, but not their DSC. I guess I just need to start leaning more heavily on the 7H!

I've heard that the DSC actually stands for what you feel you lack and what you really search for in you relationships, which would make sense with how people connect better with people with their DSC sign sun/moon/venus/mercury.

I LOVED your description of my Aqua Moon. It was actually one of the best I've ever read!!!

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I hate giving negative readings, so I didn’t want to include this in your original one, but since you brought it up I want to touch on it. One thing about that 8H of yours with Venus and Juno in Leo…you probably feel incredibly vulnerable in love.

Lady, you are GOOD. And that's not a negative reading, that's a real reading based on actual placements. I'm actually glad you said it, because I run from relationships as the devil would run from the cross. I don't think it's even a fear of commitment, it's more to do with showing my vulnerable side. I guess you already saw I'm uncomfortable showing my emotions, but yeah, I feel a little weak when I'm in love. (There's actually a possibility that I might be currently in love, but I can't even say it out aloud for fear of making it real or something. Besides, I'm not even sure it's reciprocated, so no speaking out aloud about it for the time being. )

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Do you know any late Cancer/early Leo risers? How have they made you feel? It’s difficult to say, but I’d just be wary of people who have Leo placements because Leo is already a flirt and somewhat self-absorbed (though I honestly love Leos—I have a lot in my family and have always dated them), and with that sort of energy triggering your 8H of deeper emotions/fiery passion it can lead easily to jealousy and the abandonment issues you brought up. Still, I stick by my original point that someone triggering this house would make you fall really hard

My parents' suns are actually in late cancer/early leo, so I know how nice it is to have a connection there. Romantically, I don't know... One of the guys I mentioned might have a Leo Rising (or he's an Aries Rising); either way, either his ASC or his IC falls in my 8th house. I did go after some reading material, and I think he might be placing that ASC in my 8th, which would explain how I can read him easily and why he'd uncomfortable talking about himself with me while very curious about anything I have to say about myself.

With him (and he's the one I think I'm in love with), I just got a sense of acceptance and belonging no one else has ever given me. I could and I did trust him with very heartfelt things, and he's never betrayed my trust as far as I know (and I'd know, since he made himself best friends with my cousin).

Wow, I think I might've said more than I should... hope that's ok with you.

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posted October 09, 2013 06:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for calliope23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Horary doesn't work with the question you thought in your head, it works with what you're really felt like asking. Considering your anxiety with this new business, that's probably what horary picked on.

Interesting. I actually didn’t know this. And, yes: at the time I was casting the horary I was nervous, excited, anxious, etc. Very cool ☺

I've heard that the DSC actually stands for what you feel you lack and what you really search for in you relationships, which would make sense with how people connect better with people with their DSC sign sun/moon/venus/mercury.

You’re right. So here’s the way I read DSC. The 7H (which the DSC opens) is traditionally seen as the house of legal matters, partnerships, business partners, etc. On a base level, “marriage” is a legal contract, a government-acknowledged tie between two people—which is why it’s linked to the 7H/partnerships. People often forget that “marriage” itself is actually not a “romantic” partnership—it’s just a legal partnership that doesn’t necessarily require those mushy gushy love feelings. That’s why I always roll my eyes when everyone is like “OMG what is my husband/wife going to be like based on x, y and z 7H placements?!” When we think of “husband/wife” we associate it with LOVE, but the 7H idea of a husband/wife is just “getting hitched” legally to someone. For me love/fun/romance is 5H or deep bond/transformation is 8H, which is why I said I expect people to feel those more.

However, the DSC is obviously the opposite of your ASC, or the things you inherently project and are comfortable with feeling and doing. As a result, the DSC represents the qualities you must strive to move toward to balance your ASC traits and develop a perfected self. Because it is incredibly hard to be objective and recognize that which we lack, it makes it near impossible to incorporate traits that are diametrically opposed to how we intrinsically are/think—BUT it’s much easier if we can find someone with these qualities who can teach us how to be this way…and in walks the 7H/DSC combo of a “legal union” with the person who offers “what we need to feel whole.”

Long story short, traditionally the DSC was a marital partner because of the legal union thing. In modern times, without arranged marriages or settling for someone in your hometown because you didn’t travel far back in the day, it also incorporates how we think of our partners are our “perfect match”, i.e. someone who offers that which we lack and brings us into full-blown living. It’s a romantic thought, really, to find the puzzle piece that fills our own cracks, which is why a romantic partner has been linked to the house and DSC point. So yes: you’re right. The DSC is us seeking what we lack, but because of the traditional connotation of “marriage” that it carries, I see it as a rather bland house because “marriage” in essence is not that whirlwind of love feeling.

I hope that diatribe makes sense, haha.

I LOVED your description of my Aqua Moon. It was actually one of the best I've ever read!!!

Good!! My Sag Mercury and Saturn are happy to hear that ☺ I must run as this turned into a longer post than I expected, but I’m sure I will return to it at some point.

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posted October 09, 2013 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for calliope23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh: one more thing...do you know where your Vertex is?

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posted October 09, 2013 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
House 5, 12o Taurus

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posted October 09, 2013 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for calliope23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay...I know you said you're uncomfortable talking about emotions, and talking too much about this might jinx it for yo BUT! I'm really intrigued by everything we have been talking about, and I haven't read for someone in a while (I forget how much I love doing it, plus it seems like what I'm saying is resonating with you)...all that said, is it okay to keep going with your chart? We can analyze if his ASC is Aries or Leo and what it might mean with your chart Especially now knowing your vertex point

We can also do it via email if it makes you more comfortable

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posted October 10, 2013 05:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh no, I'm not uncomfortable talking about it here or with you AT ALL. It's actually been quite good for me!

English's actually my second language and has very little similarity to my first (portuguese), so I'm fine talking about it as long as I have to think about expressing myself.

Let me know if you need his dob or his chart, or anything eles from me

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posted October 10, 2013 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, I totally skipped your very eloquent pov on the 7th house... Sorry!! I blame it on my phone, it's very willfull about what it shows and how large it'll zoom at times, lol.

I do find what you've said about us looking at our 7th house as to look for the last piece of our own puzzle true, but I think it's human to want to balance things out and to go at it the easiest and fastest way, i.e. getting someone to fill that missing piece. Personally, I'm not searching for The One, I'm looking for someone who's willing to love me and be loved by me the way I express it, to be by my side, to make me laugh and relax, but most of all to be my friend and keep me on my toes.

Have you ever thought of writing ano astrology blog? You're very coherent and you express your ideas in a relatable and easy to comprehend way. I'm loving everything you're saying (even the supposedly "bad" parts).

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posted October 10, 2013 11:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for calliope23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey girl,

Sorry I haven't been around today!! Thanks so much for the compliment on my readings...if I knew how to make a blushing emoticon I would put in like a million, haha. I love astrology and I have a really extensive background in writing, so I'm glad the two can combine and be fun/coherent! On that note, I CANNOT believe English is not your first language!! You seriously write and think better than most native speakers. Are you Brazilian??

You totally don't have to answer this question since this is the internet and it's a place notorious for creepers, but how old are you? Looking at your chart and outer planets, I think we are around the same age...but you said you were young. I don't consider myself "young"...well, at least not with the amount of 15/16 year olds on this site, haha. I'm guessing you're just about a year and a half younger than me if I'm correct in assessing those outer planet placements (I'm 26, almost 27).

Why don't you put up this guy's chart and we can discuss his natal placements and we can pick apart his character and then compare it to you

By the way, I think I like you so much because my moon hits your DSC exactly and your moon falls in my 11H. Just a random, semi-creepy internet weirdo observation haha.

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posted October 11, 2013 07:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi!!

You're a busy working girl, soon to be an entrepreneur, so it's all fine if you disappear from time to time.

Yes, I'm Brazilian and 25 (turned last month). Thank you for that compliment!! I do try to make sense in english, and it helps that I've been reading books in english for the past ten years. And hey! We're both still very much young, are you crazy? We only start to get old when we turn 30-35

Why don't you put up this guy's chart and we can discuss his natal placements and we can pick apart his character and then compare it to you

I'm LOVING this idea! I will tell you more about him as we go, since I don't want you to go at his chart with any preconceived thought.

By the way, I think I like you so much because my moon hits your DSC exactly and your moon falls in my 11H. Just a random, semi-creepy internet weirdo observation haha.

Is it weird that I found this adorably dorky instead of creepy? lol

Last but not least, why did you ask about my vertex? Is it important?

HIS CHART:

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posted October 11, 2013 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for calliope23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awesome! I'll get started on his right now.

I asked about your Vertex because it's a point in the chart that always falls between houses 5-8. Because these are the "relationship" houses, Vertex has been linked as a spot where a transit, someone else's placements, or the placement of a place (location astrology) can trigger it as a type of fateful encounter. In mythology, the Vertex story is one of a radical awakening/a sudden turn of fate. Vertex comes from the Latin "vertere" which means "to turn." Some people think it's a meaningless point, but because I am interested in relationship astrology and it will always be in houses 5-8, I think it's an important point--when triggered, it can literally "turn" things upside down and change your outlook on the future. I wanted to know yours so that we could look at whether or not this guy has affected it. Keeping a tight orb (no more than 3 usually) is important, but I think that up to 5* can be felt. It's not an end-all if your vertex doesn't conjunct someone else's or vice-versa, it often just leads to those "fated" feelings. Right off the bat I can tell you that your NN hits his Vertex (though widely), so you both probably feel some form of a karmic connection, even if very faint.

Do you live by the water in Brazil?

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posted October 11, 2013 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, that's interesting about the vertex! I've never used it nor given it much attention... Now that you've said it, I went to check and his Vertex trines my Pluto, which is dominant in my chart - but is this one of those things that must either be a conjunction or an opposition to work?

Anyways, his Chiron conjuncts my DSC by 0º, and that's supposed to also be karmic...

I do live by the water, if you consider the 15/30 min ride by car from my home to the beach... There's a lot of trees and birds as well.

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posted October 11, 2013 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for calliope23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will get to your Chiron and Vertex q's in a sec, but let's start with this:

Just a general feel for him…

Pisces sun, Leo ASC, Virgo moon: Deep down, he’s probably someone somewhat lost in his own experience. Of course he is absolutely capable of understanding and interacting with others because Pisces people absorb the energy of their immediate surroundings, but that Pisces sun probably makes him fickle in the sense that he will flock to environments that make him feel comfortable, but run from those that put him off. For example, if he were to walk into a house party and the energy felt overwhelming (could be an out of control party that frazzles him, or an intimate party where he doesn’t know anyone and feels all eyes are on him…even though they really aren’t), he would just decide to remove himself and leave immediately instead of try to ease into it. His Virgo moon also means he feels best in controlled situations; he needs to be able to intellectualize events and balance his intuition with analytical judgment. This can make him a good read of character, but it also makes him staunch in his appraisal of people. His Pisces intuition will make him “feel” a person, his Virgo moon will make him “organize” those feelings, and the end product he comes up with is a finite decision on someone’s character, definitely not easily (if ever) able to be reappraised. Interestingly, he might not come across this way because his Leo ASC will hide his constant inner dialogue of approval/disapproval of people, things, and events. Leos are exuberant, fun, creative, bossy, and proud. I think they’re extremely enjoyable to be around because of their joie de vivre, but the disadvantage is you have to be feeding a Leo’s ego. If we go back to the party scenario, let’s say he walks into a party in full-swing out-of-control mode. His Pisces sun would make him feel overwhelmed by the buzz of energy, his Virgo moon would detest the sloppy, Dionysian chaos, and yet if someone were to come up to him and start asking him about himself or to start flirting with him, his Leo ASC might be able to temper his disgust for the disorder/confusion and he could look past it for the time being. Leos are absolutely social, and by easing him into a frantic situation in focusing the attention on his Leo need for approval/attention/individual social interaction, he would feel more in his element. Basically it’s a matter of rewiring the energy of a situation to get his Pisces sun to pick up on an alternate sense of the environment, which is easily executed by triggering his Leo ASC needs, then leading his Virgo moon to analyze how he feels with this new feel of a place—it can go from “I hate this out-of-control party” to “Oh cool, here is someone interesting to talk to that makes me feel comfortable. Maybe I can stay for longer than 2 minutes.” His sun is also in his 7H, meaning “partnerships” or “relationships” are important to his ego, so walking into a party and finding a familiar face or someone to engage in conversation with is crucial to his comfort—I doubt he’s the type of person to ever “go it alone.”


Does this sound right so far?

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posted October 11, 2013 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As far as I can see, spot-on again, my dear!

When we met, we were actually from different circles of friends - he was with the populars and I was with the nerds/dorks. I can't remember how we came to talk to one another, but once he learned I was the cousin of a guy he knew for years from playing soccer together, I think our connection was made.

He was pretty agressive in his approach, but I kept tempering it with my own limits. It was like a whirlwind was hitting me everytime we talked, because he just wanted to know me, the things I liked, the things I didn't like, if he could shock me. And he was adamant about getting those answers too; he went so far as to hack into my email account, and changed my password so I'd notice it (it's funny now how it all played out: I was so damn P*SSED, I told him I was never going to talk him and he panicked! Started apologizing, saying he wouldn't do it ever again, etc. I said fine, but stay away from me today. Just talk to me when I talk to you.) We were in high school, and every little thing he did concerning me (teasing, jokes, conversation, etc), he'd be with this other guy, who eventually became also a friend of mine... they were inseparable.

That Virgo Moon... I don't know. He doesn't show it much. Most of what I see is the Leo ASC, which is annoying, because I know he's not a shallow show-off. Anyways, there was this concert a couple of years ago and my cousin turns to me to confirm I was going. I was like, "er, no... I liked their songs when I was younger, but I haven't listened to anything of theirs ever since '06, '07." After a while, I realized that it was probably this guy who told my cousin about me liking the band - it was around high school that I listened to them the most.

Oh, and I think he tests me!! A very Virgo thing to do as well... He'll say something like, oh don't you think we should bend the rules for this, knowing I would never bend the rules unnecessarily, i.e. if I can go around them... Also, and this annoys me, he offers to set me up with one of his friends from time to time. Doesn't seem to matter that I've never noticed any of his friends even looking at me, he still says he can hook me up... I've a lot, and I mean A LOT, of guy friends and none of them has ever acted this way. They might say that a certain guy seems interested in me, but they have never nor would ever propose to set me up on a blind date. With men I have never even said a word to, to boot. I really don't want to think about it, but this just gives me a vibe of a mind-game, you know?

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posted October 11, 2013 04:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for calliope23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
That Virgo Moon... I don't know. He doesn't show it much. Most of what I see is the Leo ASC, which is annoying, because I know he's not a shallow show-off.

Haha, yes well...that's the thing about ASCs Our moons are us at our most vulnerable, and so it makes sense you wouldn't pick up on his moon energy with his proud Leo mask and flighty Pisces sun--both equally as strong presences when it comes to masking his innermost emotional "core."

A Virgo doesn't like to be wrong or vulnerable anyway, so you might observe his moon in him as more of an "independent man" type quality he's trying to espouse. He might seem like he is aloof or totally self-sufficient, but that would actually be more a defense mechanism since on the inside he feels imperfect because he has emotions at all (he wants to be able to neatly compartmentalize "emotion" so when he feels a certain way he can say, oh it's because x, y and z happened. I understand this, no need to feel it, let's move on). This is probably where this nonsense of trying to set you up with people stems from. Essentially he seems to be mapping out what a specific behavior elicits so that he can intellectualize the process of call and response--this is an analytical Virgo working through "feelings." Trying to AVOID direct emotion (i.e. pawn his feelings for you off on others, or avert your feelings for him onto someone else), is an immature Virgo moon trait. I think what's he's doing is a blend of the two, particularly because I think he probably has a preconceived notion of who you are and what you mean to him per my analysis in the above post regarding his Pisces sun interacting with a Virgo moon to judge others.

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posted October 11, 2013 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for calliope23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You said Pluto is heavy in your chart (I think you say this because it’s a singleton [if you don’t count NN and Chiron] and it makes a lot of contacts), but actually your Mars is at home and thus weighty, and your Venus is reallllllly heavy if you go through and check each dispositor (have you studied this yet? If you haven’t, basically it’s taking one planet, finding the sign it’s in, find that sign’s ruling planet, see what that sign it’s in, find that sign’s ruling planet, ad infinitum until you come to an end point. Sometimes it will be a planet in its own sign, but usually it’s a planet out of sign that you keep circling back to). When you go through your chart and do this, your Venus is the circle-back point for all planets aside from Mars and Pluto, which are at home. Just thought you might be interested to know since we were talking about how sensitive your 8H is and your Venus is in there. Might be another reason why it makes you uncomfortable.

Okay, let’s look at this guy’s relationship houses!

He’s got Sag on 5H cusp with Uranus and Saturn in there, and his Jupiter is in Taurus. For him, that “immediately attractive, butterflies feeling” would be someone with any or all of these following qualities: intellectual, free-spirited, academic, active, optimistic, expansive, unconventional, political, fair, friendly, worldly, ambitious, reserved—actually, what’s really funny is that the one thing Sag, Cap, and Aqua all have in common is being “detached” in one sense or another. A Sag needs freedom, Caps are often seen as cold/stern, and Aquas can be detached from personal emotions because they value universal truth/fairness much more. He probably finds women who are too busy for him or don’t seem to give him the time of day really appealing. Just because you told me a little about him, it’s interesting that he almost tries to become “detached” from you in the ways he tests you/flirts with you…this is more a question of psychology than astrology, but I wonder if he might be unconsciously mirroring the behavior he would find attractive in a woman in his own flirtatious interactions? Something to think about. With his 5H ruler in Taurus, he might also find material elements surrounding a woman attractive. Maybe literal “material” things like expensive cars, but I’m thinking more along the line of sumptuous comforts she could offer him—a woman who is a good cook for example, or someone who creates a beautiful environment surrounding her...a girl who loves things like fluffy pillows, a comfortable couch, soft sheets, candlelight, a beautiful garden, yada yada. The Taurean pull for him is probably less strong, though, because he does have planets in his 5H and their energy will take precedence over the house’s ruling planet position.

I can’t tell if Neptune falls in his 5H, but if it does, it links his 8H to his 5H. It also brings more of that Taurean energy to it (since Jupiter used to co-rule Pisces before the discovery of Neptune). I won’t get too much into this since I can’t tell exactly where Neptune is, but if the 8H of transformation/deep bonds/sexual stuff is linked to his 5H, it will make all of the above that much more transfixing for him. Since 8H adds an element of “breaking down to build up,” someone with the qualities described above could either A) whittle him down to his heart of hearts herself or B) force him to start delving deep within himself to discover what his true desires and passions are/what he needs from a relationship. Either way, someone with those qualities will definitely transform him in some sense because she’ll be both superficially appealing as well as spiritually alluring.

His 7H: He’s got Aqua on the cusp with Venus and the Sun in there, Mercury very closely conjunct the cusp. Interesting that so far all his relationship houses have hinged on his Venus (Taurus elements of 5H/8H; Venus literally in his 7H; 7H also traditionally ruled by Libra/Venus so his Venus is "at home" as far as house rulers go). Since I’m learning my lesson about people usually feeling their 7H most, this is interesting as it pertains to you. First, you have a heavy Venus energy in your chart, which would certainly pull someone with his chart to you like a moth to flame. Second, remember earlier how I said a lot of the time a guy’s Moon or Venus will point toward the sun/moon signs he is most attracted to? Well, with his DSC in Aqua AND his Venus there, you’ve got a double whammy as far as his attraction to your moon/emotional level of comfort you can offer him. His Moon is also in Virgo, meaning he will feel emotionally secure around a strong Virgo placement, which you have. Mercury is also conjunct his DSC, and it’s your ruling sign. His “puzzle piece” girl will be someone who is creative, broad-minded, outgoing, communicative, eloquent, reliable, analytical, tactful, romantic (not mushy gushy love romantic, but romantic in the sense of idealistic about reality, like the puzzle piece thing in the first place), loyal, and full of life.

Man, another Virgo link! His Virgo Juno is what he absolutely must have in a relationship…it’s our deal breaker indicator. With Virgo Juno, any relationship that makes him feel fulfilled must offer….well, honestly, perfection. It would have to be a straightforward relationship, one where he expects each partner to understand what it is they must bring to the table and offer one another to keep the synergy efficient. It’s a hard Juno to deal with, I won’t lie, because it kind of sucks the romance (in a mushy gushy way) out of it, but especially because his idea of a “perfect” relationship or a “perfect” person is entirely up him. He probably won’t make a lot of concessions or compromises when it comes to finding the girl he is willing to settle down with. With your Virgo sun, though, you probably understand some of this. I’m basically earth void (I’ve got Neptune in Cap, but I don’t really feel that’s a “practical” “earthy” placement) and I have a Pisces ASC (so my DSC is Virgo…something I don’t connect with at all since I’m inherently the opposite of a Virgo), so I never really got the whole “Virgo” thing. I hope you can fill in some blanks as far as his Juno goes with your own experience with the sign…sorry I’m not more helpful in this arena!

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posted October 12, 2013 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for filleaspirant     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, girl... you outdid yourself! There's a lot of information to take in... I'm giddy!

A Virgo doesn't like to be wrong or vulnerable anyway

And you say you don't know us... That's us summed up in one sentence!

Essentially he seems to be mapping out what a specific behavior elicits so that he can intellectualize the process of call and response--this is an analytical Virgo working through "feelings." Trying to AVOID direct emotion (i.e. pawn his feelings for you off on others, or avert your feelings for him onto someone else), is an immature Virgo moon trait. I think what's he's doing is a blend of the two, particularly because I think he probably has a preconceived notion of who you are and what you mean to him

Ok, I must be fair to him... he has never said anything directly to me about what he feels for me. Any romantic feeling I think he feels for me is more conjecture and hear-say than something concrete. Everything he's done for and to me can be interpreted as platonic demonstrations of care... I mean, I don't think he even flirts with me... honestly! Just because my guy friends don't act the way he does doesn't mean he's flirting, right? Besides, I forgot to tell you that he also asked me to get the number of a girl he saw (but didn't approach because she was talking to people he doesn't talk to - there you go for you awesome example of his moon!!!). He was a real pain in the ass about it too; made me talk to another girl who isn't even close to me and kept pestering me about her replies. Turns out this girl I know had just met the other one and didn't get her facebook/twitter/whatever... Two days went by, I asked if he'd found this dream girl of his and he said he found her on facebook but that she had already a boyfriend (don't even ask how he found her, I have no idea and he didn't tell me). Oh, and he does these things knowing I had a crush on him six years ago because I told him!

Btw, when I told him that (on MSN - my Leo Venus pride would not let me lose face in person ), I clearly remember him saying, "but we are friends" as if that meant nothing could develop from friendship... He also said he didn't want me to be hurt, which is sweet if patronizing as hell.

On a side note, I've sat for three different types of tarot reading concerning him (embarrassingly persistent of me, I know :blushing , and all of them said he was attracted to me, is keeping it in tight control and thinking out what he wants to do with it. It seems he's very conflicted about these feelings for me (this is a little upsetting for me because I don't want him to suffer in any way), but I can't really confirm that is the case because he's keeping his distance right now. Will answer to probing from me, but won't initiate conversation, so I haven't really talked to him since early September.

You said Pluto is heavy in your chart (...), but actually your Mars is at home and thus weighty, and your Venus is reallllllly heavy

I said that because that's what the astrodienst style chart said it was: Pluto and Mars dominant, with Jupiter in detriment. I'd never heard of dispositor, but I went to look at mine and indeed Venus comes out on top of it all. Love is too grand for this Earthy Sun and ASC girl here... nevermind my no-nonsense Air moon! Oh, and I love learning these tidbits that would've taken me years to learn, so you're always free to add anything you might like!

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