posted February 26, 2014 09:56 AM            

Yes, I'm from Rio, born and raised. Thank you so much for saying my English is good! I do try to improve it every time I speak/write it. Lol, I do understand some basic, VERY basic french, as it derives from latin like portuguese does, but it's mor that I understand others without being able to make myself understood. I do plan to learn French eventually, I find it a beautiful language.

And I GOT IT! I didn't even have to bring up the subject, I just slipped in while we were all talking. Best technique ever!

Would you mind doing a quick revise of our synastry/composite? I think his Moon is making some new contacts and his ascendant as well.

posted February 26, 2014 12:34 PM            

Honestly, your English is better than the majority of people that I know. Perhaps, you don't have a good grasp on slang/hints/rhetorical tricks that are found in the language, but on a technical level, I think it'd be hard to find an error (and I'm a tough editor). With a month or two of immersion, apart from a possible Portuguese accent, your English would be excellent.

Nice! And yes, it seems like an awesome technique.

Not at all. I'll do it as soon as I'm able. You'll have it at soonest by the end of the night and at latest by the end of the weekend.

Looking from a phone, I can't comment too well on the new aspects, but the house overlays seem nice. Unfortunately, his Saturn and Uranus are in your 12th and your Moon is in his 12th. But you have your Sun in his 8th and he has his Sun and Mercury in your 8th.
The worst way this could manifest is that you run away from the relationship. The reason I say this is because your Lilith lands in his 8th (and I finally understand how Lilith works in a chart) as well as because of your Moon. You may tend to keep your emotions to yourself, hiding your feelings from him, which seems to be a consistent fault in your relationships (even though I've only seen 2, I see that you like to keep your emotions hidden from your partner and that keeping of emotions is the reason the majority of your relationships will end up struggling, at least from your side; open up to your partners, it's what they're there for, and it seems as though you like to communicate at an intimate level anyways, so hopefully that isn't TOO hard). His Saturn and Uranus both in your 12th is interesting. Those are enemies. The two of you will identify yourselves with each other. As in, the relationship will become your identity in your own minds. You can very seriously destroy yourselves to merge into one in this kind of a relationship. Depending on how romantic you are, that can be seen as amazing or terrible.

Oh! Figured it out! You'll become afraid of losing your own identity because of the relationship, and, in an effort to retain your individuality and individual freedom, you'll "flea" from the relationship.

posted February 26, 2014 05:57 PM            

Thank you very much. I have some grasp on slang but not much, mainly what I catch on reality TV and shows. Nobody's complained about my Brazilian accent, but it still annoys me when the words come out sounding differently than I know they are supposed to.

I'm incredibly astounded by your last assessment. I do have a big tendency to hide my emotions, and not just from my partners. I'm uncomfortable around emotions and I find that I put too much logic into them. It is instinctual, especially with my Aqua Moon, to brush off feelings and focus on the bigger picture. Which obviously doesn't work well in personal relationships.

Oh, you should've seen my face when you said this:

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You can very seriously destroy yourselves to merge into one in this kind of a relationship.

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I couldn't have look more horrified. I like and value my individuality and if something threatens it, I'm going to flush it out of my system and restore my inner balance. It just doesn't sit well with me, the idea of co-dependency.

posted February 26, 2014 08:05 PM            

As I said, with a month or two of immersion in the language, it'd be hard to tell you apart from a native speaker. And in type, it's near impossible.

I seriously don't understand why my Aqua Moon doesn't make me feel that way. My Aqua Stellium doesn't even make me feel that way. It might be because it's in the 5th house, but I feel fairly comfortable around emotions, and when I truly feel, I ignore logic completely. It's different that that doesn't happen too often. But it happens.

XD I wish I had. On the bright side, I called it n_n;
I value freedom as well. Why do you think that this merge creates co-dependency instead of a heightened freedom? I'm not asking this to undermine what you're saying, but I'd like to know exactly what the thought process is. Of course, you'd retain who you are as a person, you can't lose being you, even if a lot of you becomes devoted to the relationship, so what are the fears here? (I have an interest in psychology. It's part of the reason I find astrology so interesting.)

posted February 27, 2014 09:45 AM            

It's possibly the position of your Aqua Stellium, yes. On top of that, I do think that, by having nothing in my 5th and just Chiron in my 7th, I don't put much stock into people and relationships, opting for an independent life with a streak of rebellion. My Moon is at 0º, which is supposedly to make the Aquarian qualities of it even more pronounced. It is also said that 0º planets are life lessons, i.e. you don't know how to handle the energy from that planet naturally and you'll learn throughout your life. I don't know, I haven't read too much on natal astrology, so I can't say a lot on it.

I get your curiosity, don't worry. I think that, astrologically, my fear of co-dependency steams from an 8th house Venus square an 11th house Pluto. Basically, my relationships are transformative in their nature and very deep to me. There is a feeling of all or nothing in them. I will love you no matter what or I will ignore you forever (there is no hate in this house). The problem comes from the fact that people come and go in my life, so I never have stability in my relationships to assure me I can open up and reach the level of deep complicity and caring that my Venus likes and craves. In other words, any merge with another person would imply a level of trust that I'm not sure I'll ever experience, because I am used to have very, very few stable figures in my life, so I don't invest my all into new things/people. On top of that, even those that have been in my life since forever, well, I'm prepared to have them up and leave, and not be completely devastated by it. It's a defense mechanism, basically.

Besides that, where is the line drawn at where one person ends and the other begins? Virgo energy is directed into servitute and serving is not a gregarious occupation. Leo energy is exapansive, usually compared to a King that rules over his kingdom - well, kings are lonely individuals, because they are protected from those who are his enemy, from the people who could kill him in worship or rebellion and from his "friends", who are usually people who have an agenda and no genuine feeling for the king. Aquarius energy is explorative and explorers seldom take with them many people behind, as it could muck up the results of their discoveries or hinder them. Lastly, Aries energy. Independent, agressive and uncompromising. This energy will trample on you if you stays in its way.

Not sure I'm making much sense here. Hopefully you could grasp some meaning out of all this nonsense I'm spilling out, lol.

posted February 27, 2014 03:19 PM            

My Moon's at a critical point too. I've read that Fixed Critical Points except for 0 and 29 are bad and that cardinal and mutable ones are good. How much do you know about critical points?
These are mine. Idk what they mean:
Juno- 0 Taurus
MC- 4 Gemini
Part of Fortune- 17 Virgo
North Node- 29 Virgo
Mercury- 26 Capricorn
Vertex- 8 Aquarius
Moon- 9 Aquarius
Tbh, I'd guess that Chiron in the 7th is the bigger reason that you're afraid of committing to relationships. You are able to help other people with interpersonal relationships but find it hard to give yourself to one.

Also, the 5th House is the house of creativity, self-expression, and romance, usually associated with more casual relationships. I've only been in one relationship, and it was nowhere near casual, so I am still confused. Moreover, this is a description of Saturn in the 8th:
Often these people are frightened of the vulnerability inherent within an intimate relationship. The fear of emotional rejection and the dread of being let down on the emotional level is enough to make them want to resist the challenge altogether. The idea of letting go on this very vulnerable level can be terribly frightening, and sometimes these people have a fear of letting go and merging with others.

I understand a lot about my chart, but I have a lot of problems interpreting the elements of my love life.

That makes sense actually. But then, why would you be horrified at the idea of merging? Wouldn't it be a good thing? Think about it, you would finally have someone who you knew would be there and wouldn't just leave. I feel as though you're worried about the risk involved in it, as though you would be the only one to give yourself to the relationship, but this kind of merging can only occur with the subconscious consent of both people. And so, it's a two-way street; you have nothing to fear because the other person will be just as committed as you.

I am a romantic, sometimes to the point where I may be impractical (and the Virgo in me makes me very practical). Also, my Saturn is in harmonious aspect to both Venus and Pluto, who are in harmonious aspect to one another, so I'm thinking that helps to channel a lot of the romantic energy from my 5th to my 8th (or something like that maybe? :S).

Virgo you have. Otherwise, you don't have much.
Leo: Every King has his Queen.
Libra: Each scale has its partner, equal and opposite.
Scorpio: The sign of "killing" oneself to reach a higher form as well as the sign of sex.
Capricorn: Saturn has his Queen as well.
Aquarius: The sign of friends and communication. He might be an explorer, but he loves company.
Pisces: Two fish pulling in opposite directions with equal force.
Taurus: The goddess of love.
Gemini: Twins.
Cancer: 2 claws.

So, Sagittarius, Aries, and Virgo are the only ones who are truly loners. And even then, the god Ares, or Mars, had a lot of consorts. He had 10 or so kids with Aphrodite/Venus.

The line is drawn between Virgo and Libra, rulers of the 6th and 7th houses. That's considered the boundary between one's inner self and outer self.

I hope I interpreted it correctly as well.

OK.

posted February 27, 2014 04:01 PM            

Just checking out your thread interesting stuff.

posted February 27, 2014 05:26 PM            

I'll try, but I still have to do the corrections/additions on filleaspirant's chart and some other stuff first, so it might take me a while to get it to you. Sorry

posted February 28, 2014 09:38 AM            

I've also read that about the critical degrees, but I don't know much. I go a lot about what I find in the internet, lol. You should probably open up a thread in Astrology 2.0 about Critical Degrees and ask for people's ideas. There are lots and lots of experienced astrologers in there, and they'll be able to tell you more than I could ever dream of.

Tbh, I'd guess that Chiron in the 7th is the bigger reason that you're afraid of committing to relationships. You are able to help other people with interpersonal relationships but find it hard to give yourself to one.

Seriously, get out of my mind. Very true. Many people come to me for counselling and advice, even though I have yet to fully commit to a relationship. My words seem to make a good impact on them and give out good results, but I can never use the same logic in my own interpersonal relationships.

Tbh, I still don't understand Saturn's expression in my 12th and in Sagittarius, so I can't say much about it. I have very little grasp on what Saturn and Jupiter stand for, unfortunately.

And, honestly, these days people just don't merge in a relationship like they used to. Well, I do have trust issues that won't really let me 100% believe the other person is as committed to me as I am to them, so it's an impasse. Perhaps I haven't met the right guy? All guys so far seem to know I'm the long term kind of girl, but they're either not ready for it or interested in it.

posted February 28, 2014 10:35 AM            

Sun Conjunct Venus: The two of you have a lot of fun together and are very affectionate with each other. Your relationship is comfortable and the comfort that you two have with each other is eminent to others. This relationship creates a harmony. However, it becomes reliant on this harmony. The two of you, in an effort to retain harmony and comfort, will often avoid important issues that can cause discomfort. These issues can be trivial things, but they can also be problems between the two of you that you need to work out and not keep to yourselves.

Oh so true. We should've had communicated early this year, because of a miscommunication - but did we? He never replied and I never followed up, so we're currently at a standstill.

Sun Conjunct Pluto: The relationship has great potential to be life-changing for both of you. It will be a very intimate and intense relationship. But the two of you will demand a lot from each other, and if there are any drops in the level of intimacy between the two of you, then the one who is being even slightly distanced will feel as though the relationship is being threatened.

If I look back at how things played out, it makes sense. Unfortunate, but what can I do now? He keeps me at arm's length. Shrug.

Venus Conjunct Pluto: Again, this is likely to have been a very passionate and intense relationship. It was very intimate. But again, any drop in intimacy from either side will be seen as a threat by the other. This aspect actually indicates that there will be temptations from the one who is being distanced to manipulate the others emotions to try and get them to open up.

It was very close to heart for me, yes. To be clear, I was the one pulling away at first, now he's the one doing it. I'm not sure I try to manipulate him in any way, nor that he ever did as well. I can see one single situation where he might've tried to, but I'm not that easily played (i.e. I'm stubborn).

Mercury Conjunct Pluto: Good flow of communication and great ability for the two of you to get to the bottom of things. If a problem arises between you two or if the two of you are faced with an outside problem, you know why and where the problem is coming from and can work to fix it. You both want to know each other very deeply. You want to know how the other thinks. However, this can lead to compulsively serious conversations one after another.

I agree with this BUT, as much as we might've wanted to know the other inside and out, we never accomplished that. I think this goes back to our Moons being in each other's 12th house.

Mercury Square Jupiter: As bad as this may seem, it isn't bad at all. Together, you make each other restless and curious. You want to go on adventures, both physical and intellectual when you're together. You will make all sorts of plans and come up with all sorts of ideas together. However, you will often fall short of reality, and your plans may be impractical or unmanageable. Whatever the case, luck will favor you, and you will bounce back.

Ain't this the truth? LOL. This played out nicely in both our careers.

Jupiter Square Saturn: You'll have mood swings together. You'll experience periods of great love for each other and periods of great hate, periods of great optimism with each other and periods of great pessimism, periods of great happiness and periods of great sadness. You need to be patient when dealing with each other and give each other room to express yourselves freely. (But with all of the Sun-Venus-Pluto going on in Scorpio in the 10th, that wasn't happening.)

I do fluctuate like that, I can't speak for him. Not sure I'll go back to the great happiness/optimism period, though.

Jupiter Trine Uranus: Your relationship will be erratic in a good way. You'll appreciate each other's originality. Your philosophies and lifestyles as a couple will be very unique.

We were like that, lol. It was a nice change of pace for me.

Moon Conjunct Neptune (and in the 12th, but I'll get to that later): Your relationship has a very deep and very dreamy feel to it. You're able to say things to each other that you wouldn't feel comfortable telling most people.

True true true for me. Not sure about him. :-/

Moon Square Mars: Your arguments are heated when they happen, and they often happened over arbitrary things. You were quick to argue, but also quick to let things go. You challenged each other. But sometimes, it turned from friendly challenge into very intense competition, and that turned out bad. Your words affected each other very much. Neither of the two of you was ever indifferent to what the other said. You reacted quickly and directly to one another and were always direct with each other.

We only had one argument that was heated. It wasn't even about us! But we were quickly to agree to disagree and move on. After we'd spoken our piece, of course.

Mars Square Neptune: There was a general disappointment with the way things were between the two of you and a great glorification of the way things could have been. Your relationship lived in the future.

C'est la vie, I guess.

Sun Trine Mars: Your relationship was energetic and vivacious. You felt very alive together. You gave each other a great deal of confidence and made each other feel proud of your accomplishments.

Lovely, isn't it? And also very true.

Venus Trine Mars: Excuse the immaturity, but seriously hot sex, lol. Same goes for the Pluto Conjunct Venus. I'm sorry. I like to tease sometimes. Anyways, coming back. You both enjoyed very good timing and a generally good chemistry with one another. Even though the two of you may have had petty arguments, these didn't affect your displays of affection to one another. Your relationship grows without the two of you having to try.

Hahaha. It's okay, I get the immaturity. Everything apart from the sex part I can confirm.

Mars Trine Pluto: This time it isn't going to be immaturity; it's going to be seriousness. You would've had very passionate sex, but it would've been soulless. It would have been more out of instinct than out of love. The way you emoted your feelings to each other was intense and passionate. And you were very competitive.

Hence why that line was never crossed. And I'm not offended, it's very hard to offend me. But I'll let you know if you ever do, don't worry.

Sun Sextile Moon: There is a feeling of balance and friendship between you two. You don't feel like one is dominating the other. You feel supported and secure with each other.

I do wish we could keep this up to this day, but even a friendship takes two people to work at it.

Moon Sextile Venus: There is a lot of affection between you two, and you feel very comfortable with one another. You consider each other's needs and love to make one another happy.

Yes, on both sides.

Moon Sextile Pluto: You will experience powerful emotions for one another. Right from the start, you'll know that there is a connection. This will be a very intimate and intense relationship. You will be considerably possessive of one another, fearing losing the other. You'll know each other incredibly well, being able to read each other's thoughts wonderfully.

Yes, yes. I'm not THAT possessive, though. He wasn't nor is my boyfriend, so I can't be possessive over him. I just want him to be happy, even if that means it's with another woman.

Sun Sextile Neptune: Your relationship feels magical. You will support each other's dreams and wishes and may even share a lot of dreams and wishes with each other. You naturally accept the other for who they are.

Right on the dot.

Venus Sextile Neptune: You make the other want to be a better person. You share all of your hopes and dreams with each other. You are devoted to one another and like each other for your flaws as well as your strengths. You might however get carried off into dream world and not take into consideration more practical matters.

Okay, first part is more me, the second is more him. Virgos can't not take into consideration more practical matters, lol.

Neptune Sextile Pluto: Both of your imaginations expand during this relationship. You may develop finer tastes in the arts and music with one another. You may also gain an interest in the mystical/psychic arts during this relationship.

Yup. Here I am, aren't I? lol

12th House: Moon and Neptune-
Terrible. Moon is emotions are being kept from each other. Neptune shows that the relationship is full of illusions, perhaps taking place in a plane of fantasy rather than one of reality.

Oh, this is so spot on, I can't even add anything to it.

5th House: Chiron-
Exactly what I told you last night, you will both be content with the romantic endeavors of your partner but won't be content with the reactions your partner gives when you express affection.

Sigh. True. :-/

8th House: Jupiter-
A committed relationship between the two of you will be lucky and last if nothing else.

He's not here to commit. Nor ready to, it seems. C'est la vie.

10th House: Stellium-
You will both help each other to reach a very high social status. Your relationship will be very popular and bring you far in your careers.

Lol, it did. I'm thankful for all he did for me, and I hope he feels/felt the same.

posted February 28, 2014 12:50 PM            

And I'm not offended, it's very hard to offend me. But I'll let you know if you ever do, don't worry.

XD Wonderful.

I've also read that about the critical degrees, but I don't know much. I go a lot about what I find in the internet, lol. You should probably open up a thread in Astrology 2.0 about Critical Degrees and ask for people's ideas. There are lots and lots of experienced astrologers in there, and they'll be able to tell you more than I could ever dream of.

I've considered doing that. I'm curious about both those and fixed stars. I searched on the site and found an old one about critical points, but I never get anything more than 0 is change, 29 is lesson (I think), fixed are unlucky, and mutable and cardinal are lucky. I'm hoping that with two mutable, two fixed, and a cardinal, the former two will cancel each other out and the latter will remain to give good luck :P not sure if that's how it works though.

Seriously, get out of my mind. Very true. Many people come to me for counselling and advice, even though I have yet to fully commit to a relationship. My words seem to make a good impact on them and give out good results, but I can never use the same logic in my own interpersonal relationships.

It's quite fun to get this kind of a reaction, so I think I'll set up shop in your head, maybe build a vacation home But more seriously, that's how Chiron work; he's the healer who could heal all but himself, and his location is that wound within you that you can help others with to a great degree but stuggle to heal within yourself. I can't wait to find someone whose Mercury and Pluto Conjunct my Chiron. That'll be a very healing experience for me and bring about great growth. Ofc, I hope to not fall in love with this person because Chiron relationships break as soon as the role of the planet person in healing is over. You probably want to find someone with Venus and the Moon Conjunct yours (and if this person is a girl age 16-18, do send her my way ).

Go to Brown Owl School. I just recently bumped a thread there on Jupiter. It's not a long read (3 pages), and I learned a fair amount more about Jupiter. I think Jupiter is the least understandable of all the planets.
Saturn in the 12th is quite interesting actually. The 12th house in general is really interesting to me. Nevertheless, thank God I have no planets in the 12th.

Here's what I can find:
Saturn in the 12th- "Saturn in this house could mean an early life setback which prompts you to push the realities of life into the unconscious. People with this position of Saturn often are plagued with guilt and it is difficult for them to know where the guilt is coming from, or even to define their anxieties. Fear of the unknown and of being overwhelmed or controlled by emotions may be the source of your general anxiety in life. It can be difficult for you to submit to the idea that you may need help from others, preferring instead to withdraw and handle your problems in solitude. The idea of exposing your innermost feelings makes you feel painfully vulnerable and dependent on others. A deep-seated feeling of loneliness and separateness can be the result. While self-control seems to be the most attractive route for you, you might find that letting others inside you, even in little ways, will help you overcome many of the vague feelings of guilt, self-doubt, and anxiety that prevent you from enjoying life in a free and natural manner. Learning to embrace your sorrow, free from guilt, is the first step towards true self-acceptance. You may be an escapist from life itself. Address your escapism. Question yourself, or talk things through with an alter ego. Make sure that you understand the demands of the real world, as well as its joys and pleasures. This will help you lead a more fulfilling and rich life."
Hey! That's why you keep your emotions to yourself so much.

Saturn in Sagittarius- "Saturn in Sagittarius is serious when it comes to philosophy, education and religion. They are highly principled, believing that people earn their achievements through hard work. Reputation is very important to them. They may not have been able to get the education they desired, so many are self-taught to a degree. Intellectual capability is important to them. They may be skeptical and need to prove their theories.

Sagittarius Saturn is conservative, and they change only with much resistance. They may be very narrow-minded when it comes to philosophy or religion. With Saturn in Sagittarius, it gains structure and goals. They love to learn and now they have the focus they need. Alternatively, they can also develop tunnel vision.

They may be attracted to games of chance. They enjoy the adventure and excitement associated with it. They are very logical. It is hard for them to appreciate the magic in a sunset or a rainbow. They may fear they will be punished if they don't live on the straight and narrow. If they let fear rule their life, they may become cynical, critical and forlorn.

Alternatively, Saturn in Sagittarius can become disillusioned with authority and create their own through the use of strong intuition. By letting go of their fear, they can evolve into a better self. They still want their freedom, just with rules. They like to travel.

Sagittarius Saturn must learn to trust. They may be open and honest, or careless, rebellious and indecisive. Unless they learn to open up, they will continue to suffer. They may need to judge more carefully or learn what is appropriate and what is not. Once they work through their issues they can become a recognized authority in their chosen field or gain distinction in some other way."
I love it when I'm right :P

And, honestly, these days people just don't merge in a relationship like they used to. Well, I do have trust issues that won't really let me 100% believe the other person is as committed to me as I am to them, so it's an impasse. Perhaps I haven't met the right guy? All guys so far seem to know I'm the long term kind of girl, but they're either not ready for it or interested in it.

Unfortunately, you're right. But as I said, I'm a romantic, and I feel as though there are probably others like me out there. So, I'll keep looking for someone who is willing to commit as much as I am, and I don't see why you shouldn't either save for your internal impasse.

posted March 01, 2014 04:15 PM            

Haha, just create a thread and ask, silly. It's easier, and people might even point you in the direction where you can find more information on it.

I had a Chiron relationship when I was younger. First relationship ever. Best relationship ever too. LOL. I guess I already know why it's in the past tense and not present.

Go to Brown Owl School. I just recently bumped a thread there on Jupiter. It's not a long read (3 pages), and I learned a fair amount more about Jupiter. I think Jupiter is the least understandable of all the planets.
Saturn in the 12th is quite interesting actually. The 12th house in general is really interesting to me. Nevertheless, thank God I have no planets in the 12th.

Okay, I'll check that post out. And I've already been all over those descriptions of Saturn in Sagittarius and I'm not sure where's the positive side of it, the thing that will enable me to grow from it.

Unfortunately, you're right. But as I said, I'm a romantic, and I feel as though there are probably others like me out there. So, I'll keep looking for someone who is willing to commit as much as I am, and I don't see why you shouldn't either save for your internal impasse.

posted March 01, 2014 06:10 PM            

Chiron relations in general, whether romantic or otherwise, feel so great while the healing is going on, like seriously the most wonderful thing in the world. But then, once the healing is over, everything just dies, especially from the Chiron person's side. It really sucks because both sides feel like they lost something so special…

It's not what will enable you to grow, it's more what you need to learn in order to grow, and that is to be more trusting and to open up to others.

Romantic has many meanings. The one that most people are familiar with has to do with affection. However, when used as a noun, like I've been doing, it usually means someone who is "imbued with or dominated by idealism." So, I'm not saying that you aren't romantic. Actually, the most romantic people (in the sense that they show affection in an appealing way) are often those who are afraid of commitment.

GL with finding this person

posted March 01, 2014 09:29 PM            

We had a lot of Chiron contacts from both sides. I'll attach the aspect grid below, in case you're curious. Funnily enough, I'm okay with how the relationship ended. He sometimes gets nostalgic and reaches out still, ten years later, so I don't know about everything just dying. Also, I don't feel like I lost something special, it's more like I found what special meant for me and I search for it in my relations now.

It's not what will enable you to grow, it's more what you need to learn in order to grow, and that is to be more trusting and to open up to others.

Blergh. Life lessons are so damn repetitive... can't I just have the one where you need to learn to speak up your mind???

Romantic has many meanings. The one that most people are familiar with has to do with affection. However, when used as a noun, like I've been doing, it usually means someone who is "imbued with or dominated by idealism." So, I'm not saying that you aren't romantic. Actually, the most romantic people (in the sense that they show affection in an appealing way) are often those who are afraid of commitment.

posted March 01, 2014 11:38 PM            

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Lol, just look at the first post at this third page. Right above!

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I know about that one. I'm asking for the one that you posted in the OP. I've already done much of the synastry/composite reading already. I don't want to do everything over again, and it'll take me forever to look through what I've done and compare it to what has newly been added. So, could you re-post the original synastry and composite charts including the aspect table for the synastry? Thanks.

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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
We had a lot of Chiron contacts from both sides. I'll attach the aspect grid below, in case you're curious. Funnily enough, I'm okay with how the relationship ended. He sometimes gets nostalgic and reaches out still, ten years later, so I don't know about everything just dying. Also, I don't feel like I lost something special, it's more like I found what special meant for me and I search for it in my relations now.

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There is no way that with that many Chiron contacts you didn't feel, at least initially, that you lost a very meaningful relationship with someone, especially when you broke up. Of course, you learned a lot from it, and so, it was a worthwhile experience. But you said that it was your best relationship ever. You've never looked back and thought, "Wow, I miss that," or, "I loved it so much when..." I would be very surprised. I understand that you've moved on, but I'm also willing to bet that moving on was hard.

And while the two of you may still be in contact, I'm also willing to bet that that initial spark is missing now. You don't feel the same way. You don't feel that unimaginable attraction and warmth that you used to when you talk to him now. Your relationship with him is just normal now, and while you're OK with it now, you wished it didn't have to end, that you could go back to having that immense connection to someone, for a very long time after you broke up with him.

But yes, Chiron relationships are great teachers of what is special, especially with your Chiron in Cancer in the 7th.

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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
Blergh. Life lessons are so damn repetitive... can't I just have the one where you need to learn to speak up your mind???

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That is actually the only major one I see in your chart. You're just bad at opening up to others. And yes, life lessons are annoying and redundant, but it's really helpful to overcome them.

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Originally posted by filleaspirant:
Agreed. Nicely put, btw. You should start a blog or something, you have great ideas, you know.

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Thank you!
I was actually considering writing once I'm older, but I have a few things outside of philosophy, psychology, and politics that I'd like to deal with first. And also, my ideas aren't collected. I am very observant, and I have made many observations. But some like this have been subconscious to the point that I never think about them as psychological observations until they're brought into a conversation like this one.

But seriously, thanks a ton. Perhaps a blog would be a good idea. Idk. I might be too lazy to actually write it, lol. I'm often lazy about initiating things but the exact opposite when having to respond to someone or something.

EDIT: I was reading something on Astrology 2.0, and I have to ask you a question because of it. I think we've had enough exchanges so that you can answer this.

posted March 02, 2014 12:22 AM            

I think only the Moon and Ascendant aspects changed, tbh.

As for the Chiron relationship, yeah, I miss the easy trust and confiding in one another, but I certainly don't miss him. As for moving on from him - well, he was with someone else after 3 months we were off, so it wasn't a question of easy or hard, it was that he was with someone else and I would never break someone else's relationship. And yes, I don't feel what I felt for him anymore. I remember finding him the most handsome guy I'd ever seen, and now I'm like "where did it all go?" LOL. Lookwise, he is the same, so I know *I'm* the one who changed. But I'm actually okay with it ending. He and I, honestly, we would never work.

You're just bad at opening up to others.

Guilty. Trying to work on it as we speak.

Well, you can also base off a text out of a conversation and go from there. Just start off with "I was talking to this friend about ___ and that got me thinking." And I'm the same, you know. I got two prizes back when I was 17 and 18 on writing competitions, but I haven't written anything in ages. Laziness and just being scattered stop me from putting my thoughts onto spoken/written words.

Had you not seen my natal chart, what sign would you have thought heavy in my chart?

posted March 02, 2014 12:51 AM            

Exactly. You don't have to want him still. Actually, you shouldn't want him. But what you should have found yourself wanting is the feelings that you had with him at a point. You want what he brought for the time that he did in another.

Yes, but again, laziness becomes an issue. I still haven't started the critical points thread, lol. And we are very similar as far as a lot of things go.

My words when I read that: "Son of a b*tch." Excuse the language.
Some of the things I read about astrology amaze me to no end. This is one of them. There's a thread on Astrology 2.0 that says that the sign you project on the Internet is your Midheaven. I wanted to see how accurate that was.

posted March 02, 2014 06:06 PM            

Yes, I want those feelings back. Not him, though. I was actually thinking what could possibly make him reach out every couple of years and I think that might be that Pluto of his tightly square my Venus. But my Pluto is widely trine his Venus and Sun and sextile his Moon, so I don't know.

We both have Mars Rx. I guess I lucked out because I got it in Mars, while you have it in Libra. You probably take more time to act than I do - Aries energy will leave me fed up with the indecision and laziness, and make me act. It's very much like calmly looking around and taking in everything and suddenly sprinting, while shouting at the top of my lungs my findings. Yours is more like calmly looking around and eventually starting approaching people on the street to tell one by one your findings.

posted March 02, 2014 07:37 PM            

Mhm.

Yes. I am very cautious in my approach, and I think things through very carefully. And I definitely wouldn't shout out my findings to anyone. I am just a bit paranoid when it comes to telling people stuff.

posted March 02, 2014 11:45 PM            

And I just realized I already did the new house overlays. Great! All that remains is the aspects.

In the Composite, you actually have aspects missing. These are:
Sun Opposite Moon
Sun Trine Vertex
Venus Opposite Moon
Moon Sextile Neptune
Jupiter Conjunct Vertex
All AC/MC aspects

Here are the new aspects.

Synastry:

Venus Square Midheaven- There is a difference in how work is conducted. You might see him as demanding, and he may see you as irresponsible.

Ascendant Conjunct Neptune- He will have a strong psychic influence on you, giving you a new sense of self-awareness. You will promote his imagination.

Midheaven Conjunct Venus- You will cooperate well as far as business is concerned. He will help you advance in your career, and you will help him advance socially.

Midheaven Opposite Jupiter- He will bring ethical and/or religious values to your home life. You will have a natural understanding of each other.

Midheaven Square Uranus- Again with the routine thing. He'll see you as tied to a boring routine and want to break you out of it, and you'll stick to it adamantly, seeing him as eccentric. Perhaps this isn't tied to something like a strict schedule as much as it is a habit or an outlook on life. For example, "This specific task must be completed in this amount of time and no later than that."

Composite:

Moon Square Uranus- The two of you are emotionally uncomfortable with each other. You feel needy of each other, but are also cold towards one another. You feel a sense of responsibility in this relationship. You may break up and reunite multiple times.

Venus Sextile Pluto- Your values and attitudes about love will change. This relationship will be very intimate. You'll feel very committed to one another. There is a strong and passionate bond between the two of you, and you will do whatever it takes, make almost any sacrifice necessary, to be with each other.

posted March 03, 2014 02:08 PM            

Not really. I'm much more diplomatic than I am irl and I usually think twice about posting something, so I think I might come accross more as a Libra than a Virgo. At least at first glance. Or as a Capricorn, because of the way I structure my sentences and such.

Okay, so this is also the relationship I can merge into one with him. Does it still looks as good as you first thought?

Venus Square Midheaven- There is a difference in how work is conducted. You might see him as demanding, and he may see you as irresponsible.

I'm not sure anyone has ever thought of me as irresponsible... It would be a first.

Ascendant Conjunct Neptune- He will have a strong psychic influence on you, giving you a new sense of self-awareness. You will promote his imagination.

He's already doing it for me.

Midheaven Conjunct Venus- You will cooperate well as far as business is concerned. He will help you advance in your career, and you will help him advance socially.

Does make sense. Still not in play, but it would certainly play out in a relationship.

Midheaven Opposite Jupiter- He will bring ethical and/or religious values to your home life. You will have a natural understanding of each other.

He's not very religious, so probably ethical. But I already have those, so I don't know how he could add to it. Natural understanding would be nice too.

Midheaven Square Uranus- Again with the routine thing. He'll see you as tied to a boring routine and want to break you out of it, and you'll stick to it adamantly, seeing him as eccentric. Perhaps this isn't tied to something like a strict schedule as much as it is a habit or an outlook on life. For example, "This specific task must be completed in this amount of time and no later than that."

This one kind of has already had an expression, lol. We laughed it off, even though we clearly disagreed on what I should/could be doing.

Moon Square Uranus- The two of you are emotionally uncomfortable with each other. You feel needy of each other, but are also cold towards one another. You feel a sense of responsibility in this relationship. You may break up and reunite multiple times.

This might be a deal-breaker. I can't/don't want to be needy of anyone, and I certainly don't want anyone needy of me. It would feel like a shackle. Yucks.

Venus Sextile Pluto- Your values and attitudes about love will change. This relationship will be very intimate. You'll feel very committed to one another. There is a strong and passionate bond between the two of you, and you will do whatever it takes, make almost any sacrifice necessary, to be with each other.

I guess this is the one aspect that would make it okay to be needy of each other. Talk about one good thing cancelling out a bad one.

With the Moon and Mars in the second house, you will probably be possessive of one another.

I'm possessive in a relationship, yes. Embarrassingly enough.

With Mercury, the Sun, and Venus in the eighth house, you will be very committed to each other.

Only way I would know how to be in a relationship, tbh.

With no planets in the fifth, the relationship may be lacking in casual romance and affection that keeps the spark alive in relationships.

Here's to hoping his Sun and my Venus in Leo can turn this around.

With Neptune in the twelfth, the relationship will feel dreamy, but it may be detrimental in that you lose track of reality.

I can see this happening to me.

And with Lilith in the seventh, I am pretty sure you'll be the one to end the relationship and seek to escape from it because you feel as though you are not being paid attention to and that the relationship is too demanding of you.

posted March 03, 2014 04:19 PM            

Also, I have a question for the cards that's much more normal: Why am I so nervous lately?

I am generally a very relaxed person, so I absolutely hate it when I get nervous, especially when I don't even know why I feel nervous.

EDIT: And I just came up with a really weird question, one that you should feel free to throw in personal input on as well.

So, I see this girl at school. I'm not attracted to her. And I say that early because it'll seem like I am. She's a year younger than I am. We don't talk. I just pass by her in the halls about once or twice a day. But whenever I see her, I feel that there is something special about her, like she's going to do something in life. There's this crazy intensity in her gaze (I would be very surprised if she didn't have a highly aspected Fire Ascendant) that I can't even describe. It just seems like natural fire basically.

Why do I sense this? And am I right to sense this? And if so, what do I do with the knowledge?