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Bby_Scorpio
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posted May 21, 2014 10:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bby_Scorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This past week, I spent time with my long-distance boyfriend who lives 4 hours away. The first few days were pretty good, but the last couple of days I stayed were some of the worst I've ever experienced with him in my entire life. He became extremely aggressive. Long story short, he became very angry over a conversation about who washed my car in which I had NO IDEA he was angry about until he preceded to throw me around, choke me, and shake me after I asked him why he was angry and he thought I was acting like I didn't know why he was angry(mind you he had been drinking beforehand). The last night I stayed, Sunday night, we got in another argument and he pinned me down on the bed and bit me. I fought back this time but this only gave him more aggression. After I returned back home, he broke up with me and I am going through extreme withdrawal. I miss him so much and I have no idea what to think or do. I've never seen this in him before, he has said that all the time we've known each other (8 years) he's never wanted me to see him that angry but now that I have seen him that way, it's unleashed. Anybody have any thoughts about this? Was this an abusive relationship? Any astrological insights? I've posted our natal chart ..

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Bby_Scorpio
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posted May 21, 2014 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bby_Scorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I mean synastry ..

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St@r2013
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posted May 21, 2014 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for St@r2013     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not to be too forward, but do you really need synastry?

Your ex is violent and can't control himself. You're lucky that he broke up with you and gave you freedom so you could meet someone better.

I understand you miss him but read your post again, but this time read it as if your best friend was writing this, your sister or cousin... What would your thoughts be then?

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posted May 21, 2014 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FairyDust75     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You don't need your chart read, you need a restraining order. NEVER let a man hit you. I would never speak to him again. Change your number and don't see him. You deserve better than that and his violence will only escalate. I've seen way too many friends and loved ones abused and it never gets better, no matter how many promises they make to change. Please, for your own safety and well being, tell someone close to you and don't get involved with this man again.

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Bby_Scorpio
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posted May 21, 2014 10:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bby_Scorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I understand everything you all are saying and I know what I'm SUPPOSED to be doing, I just simply found it weird that it came out of the blue. Just looking for an explanation seeing as how I've known him this long and this is the first time this has ever happened.

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littlecloud
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posted May 21, 2014 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mars turned direct. Explosive anger. That's your astrological answer.

If you guys have always been long distance, that is your common sense answer. Long distance doesn't allow you to see a persons real everyday behavior. Everytime you get to see each other it's like a special occasion/celebration. If you're in contact everyday, see each other 3-4 times a week, then you would've seen this behavior a lot sooner. A whole lot sooner.

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posted May 21, 2014 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotus_flower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Wow, that is really horrible. :-(

How scary!

I know that you are trying to work your way through what happened, which must be a shock, by trying to make sense of it astrologically(synastry).

But his tendency toward violence has NOTHING to do with you. It is innate within him.

I sincerely hope you are not thinking you set him off in anyway--people are responsible for their own actions.

His violence will be reflected in his OWN chart.

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Bby_Scorpio
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posted May 21, 2014 11:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bby_Scorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@littlecloud- No, we have not always been long-distance. I've known him since middle school and we are now in college. We've gone to school together and everything. Although I know he has a temper, I have to take part of the blame too. I have a attitude and mouth on me as well. I can't help but think I provoked atleast SOME of it.

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posted May 21, 2014 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cuteleo85     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Bby_Scorpio:
@littlecloud- No, we have not always been long-distance. I've known him since middle school and we are now in college. We've gone to school together and everything. Although I know he has a temper, I have to take part of the blame too. I have a attitude and mouth on me as well. I can't help but think I provoked atleast SOME of it.

Honestly, there is NOTHING you could have said or done to him that could possibly justify his behavior.

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IV XXIV
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posted May 21, 2014 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IV XXIV     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Bby_Scorpio:
@littlecloud- No, we have not always been long-distance. I've known him since middle school and we are now in college. We've gone to school together and everything. Although I know he has a temper, I have to take part of the blame too. I have a attitude and mouth on me as well. I can't help but think I provoked atleast SOME of it.

Nothing anyone says will excuse physical violence. Nothing excuses it at all. Maybe you got out of hand, but that doesn't cause for abuse. Don't blame yourself. That's all apart of their game.

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posted May 22, 2014 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotus_flower     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Bby_Scorpio:
I have to take part of the blame too. I can't help but think I provoked atleast SOME of it.

Most abusers want you to think the same way you are thinking, with their rationality: "I wouldn't have hit you, if you didn't MAKE me hit you" Classic guilt tripping.

Please understand that no matter what you say, no one has the right to hit you!! No one. Do not take the blame for this at all. No one has the right to lay hands on you. Period.

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LoadedPistil
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posted May 22, 2014 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LoadedPistil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How did I know he was gonna be pisces?! "He doesn't like to see me angry" DEAD giveaway.

But you're a Scorpio an you didn't whoop his ass?! I'd be asking for Horary to see when the cops will come for me. Keep your paws to yourself.

I understand where you're coming from. I REALLY do. As a Scorpio moon, I find there's a fine line between a fight and an abusive relationship. If me and my mate had a fist fight, would I stay? TO ME, it depends. If it's recurring, it's an abusive relationship.

HOOOOOOOWWWEEVER!!!!, if you put your hands on me, it's now a fair fight. Put your dukes up. If a man is beating you and you're not fighting back, he's a sadist. Not cool. I'm talking about you pushed me once, hit me once.... Not beating me to death.

I'm saying this to say that I understand that violence is not a dealbreaker for everybody. If you feel you're in serious danger, you need to let him go.

You have a lot of hard aspects to some angry planets. Pluto/Pluto, Saturn/Saturn, Saturn/Mars, double Neptune/Uranus.... This doesn't look like the last go.

See, I have a Libra Pluto in 5th and Libra 5th house ruler. As long as the fight is fair and not recurring, I COULD move past it. If I get him down, I'll even give him a chance to get up. Fair fight.

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Bby_Scorpio
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posted May 22, 2014 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bby_Scorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@LoadedPistil - FINALLLY! Someone that understands lol. It was definetley a fair fight and of course I got my hits in but he IS a man and simply stronger than me. I honestly don't feel like my life is in danger. He broke up with ME, not the other way around so I can only imagine he feels really bad about it. Even he said what happened isn't healthy for a relationship. Idk ..

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LoadedPistil
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posted May 22, 2014 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LoadedPistil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah. That Buckcherry song was about me

I'm not encouraging abuse in relationships, but the notion that siblings can fight, but spouses can't just makes no sense. I'm your lover, brother and sister, too.

I just don't think this will be the last time since you want to look at synastry for an answer. I can give you the benefit that he feels bad, but this is twice already, the synastry is grim and HE broke up with YOU.

Pisces don't like to fight. I will tell you that. Drama is a dealbreaker for them. CONSIDERING your natal, I'd say this isn't the only context he's "put his hands on you". I leave that to imagination.

No man has put his hands on me. They KNOW they don't want that problem.

I think this will happen again and you should move on to someone else.

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posted May 22, 2014 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LoadedPistil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let me back up. When you said you provoked this, do you mean you PUT YOUR HANDS ON HIM FIRST?

Spill it, Scorpio Sun/ Leo Mars.

Because I come from a culture that if you start the fist fight, you don't get to talk afterwards. You decided to solve the problem with your fists, it's now over, done and dusted.

Spill it, North Carolina.

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posted May 23, 2014 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bby_Scorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@LoadedPistil- Lol, in this recent situation, NO I didn't put my hands on him first but I did fight back. But in other situations which were not so violent, I have because I can't lie, I do love aggressiveness and aggressive men to a CERTAIN EXTENT! But this past week, made me want to kill. I, in no way fear for my life though.

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posted May 23, 2014 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LoadedPistil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Bby_Scorpio:
@LoadedPistil- Lol, in this recent situation, NO I didn't put my hands on him first but I did fight back. But in other situations which were not so violent, I have because I can't lie, I do love aggressiveness and aggressive men to a CERTAIN EXTENT! But this past week, made me want to kill. I, in no way fear for my life though.

Ok. I could sense you were part of the problem. But I can also tell the will happen again I can only recommend to keep people around who bring out your best, not worst.

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posted May 23, 2014 12:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bby_Scorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@LoadedPistil- Your very right, and I agree but I can't help but still be in love with this guy after all these years. I miss him terribly, and I've been having dreams about him for the past couple of days. Maybe it's just going to take a lot more time than I thought ..

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posted May 24, 2014 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

"I'm not encouraging abuse in relationships, but the notion that siblings can fight, but spouses can't just makes no sense. I'm your lover, brother and sister, too."

Loaded- sorry but I don't agree with this. Abuse of any kind in any relationship is not healthy. It only serves to perpetuate more violence and unhealthy behavior. There's a reason why Greek drama, soap operas etc, are filled with stories of family betrayals, killings and things I could never do to my siblings.

Although I am happy and in agreement with what you said about keeping people around who bring out your best.

Bby_Scorpio
I was once in a relationship with a guy that did a 180 as soon as things became official. He became mentally and emotionally abusive. When I mentioned his behavior to some school mates they looked at me in shock because he doesn't seem at all like what I described. Very laid back. But it was always there lingering beneath the surface. Eventually I broke up with him. Afterwards I realized how miserable he had been making me. That I hadn't even smiled in months. So yes, you can hangout with a person and not truly know them until you get into a closer relationship with them.

If you like aggressive men and aggression in general that's what BDSM is for. You have a safe word and you can get all the aggression you need. There is no reason to get into arguments over laundry for a taste of aggression.

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posted May 24, 2014 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for St@r2013     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Completely agree with your Littlecloud.

Using violence against your partner because you can't control your anger? I'm sorry I'm assuming you guys are adults and not children.

Yes, children use violence against one another because they can't express themselves with words - adults should know better.

This thread is a bit sad really - finding ways through astrology to justify his behavior? Making excuses for him?

The guy threw you around, choked you, shook you and bit you?!!! How is this ok??? This has red lights flushing all over 'danger! danger! danger!'

At least he realized how he can't control himself and doesn't want to put you in danger anymore so he broke up with you, but you actually want to go back to him??? SMH

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Bby_Scorpio
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posted May 25, 2014 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bby_Scorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@St@r2013- Yes .. I do actually. Thanks for your advice and all but it's not really helping. So, thanks but no thanks smh.

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posted May 25, 2014 12:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bby_Scorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@littlecloud- Okay ... thanks.

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posted May 25, 2014 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LoadedPistil     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok. Agree to disagree. Children aren't the only ones that fight. That's what armies are for. It's some ridiculous brainwash the we teach children that violence isn't the answer until they turn 18. And sharing. More nonsense.

Violence happens in life. It's not even human nature. It's nature nature.

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posted May 25, 2014 12:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been in a physically abusive relationship, grew up with domestic abuse, and dealt with many sh1t people so I know what I'm talking about.

Astrologically I see more a tendency for emotional abuse and manipulation between the two of you. But you should post your natals for more astrological input.

I don't know how you grew up, but if it was in a crappy environment with very little support and fear of getting hit then that's what you learn to expect in relationships.

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posted May 25, 2014 01:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for littlecloud     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LoadedPistil:
Ok. Agree to disagree. Children aren't the only ones that fight. That's what armies are for. It's some ridiculous brainwash the we teach children that violence isn't the answer until they turn 18. And sharing. More nonsense.

Violence happens in life. It's not even human nature. It's nature nature.


I totally agree with this. At 18 you can go get married, join the army, but can't drink. I find it illogical. And yes, nature nature is violent, in regards to animals it's a bit more logical. They will compete for mates and if it comes to physically fighting their own species they avoid killing each other because it makes no sense to. In humans we've completely screwed up the situation. We claim intelligence over all the animal kingdom yet we destroy each other and our resources any chance we get.

Living under a constant threat of violence every time we get into an argument is not healthy. It'll create a constant surge of adrenaline and cortisol which would limit our bodily functions preventing us from eventually mating and bringing up our young. Which is the complete opposite of what Nature wants. If we were to do this we would die out as a species very quickly.

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