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posted July 22, 2014 01:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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If you want to pull some cards for me, my question is how he would react to seeing me on saturday on that open air?
on a scale of 1 - 10, how awkward is this going to be?
Or just full blown ignoring me?

I mean maybe he is not even going to see me at all there, but it will be the first time we "meet" after last month`s more than interesting events. And I am not all to sure what he has decided how to deal with them (or me for that matter)?

Ignorance? Recognition?
What`s it going to be?


I am aware though that maybe the cards do not want to talk. They did not want to before I went to the open air on 9th june either, as it seemed, sometimes the univers does not want me to be prepared I guess. But still if you have a feeling the cards speak, let me know, please?


Thank you.


I got 2 of Cups rx The Empress 6 of Cups 7 of Cups rx 6 of Pentacles

I think he'll be really pleasant towards you and friendly, but you may sense he's hiding some kind of pain. I think maybe him and his girlfriend split up and it's eating him up a bit inside. I think he'll make a decision to make his intent more clear for you the next time you see him. It doesn't look awkward at all. Do your best to act natural and not force anything too, don't be nervous. Looks like he finds you sweet and very appealing.

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posted July 22, 2014 06:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I got 2 of Cups rx The Empress 6 of Cups 7 of Cups rx 6 of Pentacles

I think he'll be really pleasant towards you and friendly, but you may sense he's hiding some kind of pain. I think maybe him and his girlfriend split up and it's eating him up a bit inside. I think he'll make a decision to make his intent more clear for you the next time you see him. It doesn't look awkward at all. Do your best to act natural and not force anything too, don't be nervous. Looks like he finds you sweet and very appealing.


Ooh Ceri - this looks good for you!!!!

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posted July 22, 2014 08:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes, progression orbs are kept tight. Actually 1 degree is recommended (for the triggering mechanism), however the built up might be felt up to 2 degrees, afte rthat it fizzles and could be related to anyhting.


Well, no probably you don`t use asteroids with yods. but then again some people say to not use them at all. And I am not other people anyway (spoken like a true Aqua Moon ).

I put more stock into the ones with planets (and Karen Hamaker Zondag also uses the angles, though that is up to debate as well).
In this instance the dominant Yod there would be Mercury-Neptune conj. sextile Pluto, and both quinkunx IC, with Uranus on the MC being the release point.


However I do like to check on important asteroids with tight orbs, to see what and how it is interconnected.

In this instance I cannot ignore that Eros and sappho, those erotic and creative asteroids, are connected to the big transformers Neptune and Plutjo and also connected to the communicator Mercury, which is in mutual reception with Jupiter in 5th hous btw, and all crystallizing through Uranus on the MC, adding the "un" to "conventional"


Yeah, I agree I still think Yods can be significant as far as telling the story...
In our tropical composite we have a neptune sextile Pluto/psyche conjunction and my natal sun makes the apex of the Yod.

For asteroids we have 4Yods in the tropical composite:
1.Neptune sextile psyche/Pluto with valentine at the apex
2.Vesta sextile Ceres with Chiron at the apex
3.Moon sextile valentine with psyche/NN at the apex
4.Lust sextile jupiter with Uranus at the apex

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posted July 22, 2014 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I got 2 of Cups rx The Empress 6 of Cups 7 of Cups rx 6 of Pentacles

I think he'll be really pleasant towards you and friendly, but you may sense he's hiding some kind of pain. I think maybe him and his girlfriend split up and it's eating him up a bit inside. I think he'll make a decision to make his intent more clear for you the next time you see him. It doesn't look awkward at all. Do your best to act natural and not force anything too, don't be nervous. Looks like he finds you sweet and very appealing.


ah thank you Hanna,
that sounds really lovely.

As for him splitting up with his girlfriend; I donīt think that is possible at the moment; they are expecting a child, who is due any moment, so the timing could not be any worse.

But as long as we find a way to somehow find a good communicative basis, I am satisfied. Very much so actually.

And the cards, well except for the 2 cups rx I really like those cards. And seing the 6 of cups made me almost laugh out loudly. In the very first reading I had on him and me, years ago, it was one of the cards.


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posted July 22, 2014 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Ceri- when you have a minute, would you mind looking at a chart I posted in the horary forum regarding pregnancy? I'd really appreciate it

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posted July 22, 2014 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry I am not good in reading horaries for anything except relationships. lol

Anyway the chart you posted, seemed actually positive to me, in this regard. Ruler of 7th house being trined by ruler of 5th house (child) in the fertile sign of Cancer.

But you had asked the same question before, so it wouldnīt be valid anymore I suppose, and the chart you posted before, I can`t read . No clue what the answer to this one would be.

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posted July 22, 2014 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Sorry I am not good in reading horaries for anything except relationships. lol

Anyway the chart you posted, seemed actually positive to me, in this regard. Ruler of 7th house being trined by ruler of 5th house (child) in the fertile sign of Cancer.

But you had asked the same question before, so it wouldnīt be valid anymore I suppose, and the chart you posted before, I can`t read . No clue what the answer to this one would be.


Ok, well thx so much for looking anyway!

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posted July 23, 2014 03:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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ah thank you Hanna,
that sounds really lovely.

As for him splitting up with his girlfriend; I donīt think that is possible at the moment; they are expecting a child, who is due any moment, so the timing could not be any worse.

But as long as we find a way to somehow find a good communicative basis, I am satisfied. Very much so actually.

And the cards, well except for the 2 cups rx I really like those cards. And seing the 6 of cups made me almost laugh out loudly. In the very first reading I had on him and me, years ago, it was one of the cards.


Hmm I wonder what the 2 of Cups rx is. Maybe you won't get to see him? Your feedback makes sense with the Empress and 6 of Cups next to each other though, wow! Literal cards there.

Hey, very quick, I was wondering if anything in the synastry between me and this guy shows delusion / illusion? Neptune contacts?

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posted July 23, 2014 04:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Hmm I wonder what the 2 of Cups rx is. Maybe you won't get to see him? Your feedback makes sense with the Empress and 6 of Cups next to each other though, wow! Literal cards there.


Yes, that was what I had feared since hearing about it. Not out of a deeply felt fear, but more that I thought with my luck that would be the exact day she is going to give birth.

Also I can see the literal meaning of the other cards as well, Empress as the mother, 6 of cups as kids.
But I didn`t ask about the two of them.

Anyway of course he can only react in any way to me if he is even going to be there. lol

So maybe you could pull a few cards if I am going to see him on saturday at all?

I am going to have a look at possible delusions in your synastry.

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posted July 23, 2014 05:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
there are of course diff. forms of delusions, and we can`t really say anything for certain without his birthtime.

However, the big delusions often come with Neptune, but there is nothing too big there.

His Neptune trines your Moon, your Neptune possibly conjuncts his Moon. That might be maybe some form of delusion. However to me it seems more like a very compassionate, psychic emotional connection between the two of you. Very romantic and gentle.

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posted July 23, 2014 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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So maybe you could pull a few cards if I am going to see him on saturday at all?


The Sun King of Cups Death 6 of Cups

Okay. Based on the fact we didn't draw the King of Wands (physical, action) or King of Swords (sight) or King of Pentacles (another physical card) and we drew the King of Cups who's based more on feeling and faith PLUS The Sun which is about space. I'm going to say no, you probably won't see him because, as you guessed, there's a high possibility she'll go into labor. Death is ruled by Scorpio, so death / rebirth and the 6 of Cups children's card again.

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posted July 23, 2014 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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there are of course diff. forms of delusions, and we can`t really say anything for certain without his birthtime.

However, the big delusions often come with Neptune, but there is nothing too big there.

His Neptune trines your Moon, your Neptune possibly conjuncts his Moon. That might be maybe some form of delusion. However to me it seems more like a very compassionate, psychic emotional connection between the two of you. Very romantic and gentle.


It's just that I feel he lives in some fantasy world where we're waiting for each other and that it can survive without communication and meeting each other or something. After 2 years, blogging and such is just something I do and not something I really feel like he seems to, so that's why I asked about Neptune or the delusions.

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posted July 24, 2014 04:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Hanna,

thank you.
It is interesting though, I would have interpreted the cards very differently.
Well okay, the DEATH is a very clear signal there.
But the Sun is a complete Yes - card, success, clarity, and so on.

I`ve been thinking about this, though, and it somehow amuses me how ambiguous these cards really are.
The Sun, while one meaning is success, recognition and so on, and the 6 of cups also have been indicating a return of someone, seeing someone again, I can also see how both cards might relate to the birth of the child, and the King of Cups, while on the one hand has been coming up for me as artists (King of Wands and King of Cups seem to be both coming up a lot for performers. lol), I can see how it also relates to becoming a father.

I do agree of course with your interpretation , but I have been also wondering how much of our expectations influence our reading.

I mean we know about the circumstance and that there is a high probability of the kid being born either that weekend or the days following it, or maybe even now as we speak, so we sort of knew the answer of this reading before.

And I am wondering, how much of this background-knowledge/expectation influences

a) the cards we pull
b) the way we interprete the spread?


not just now, I tend to muse about that a lot actually. That is one of the reasons I sometimes love these blind-spreads, when I have no freaking clue what it really is that is being asked, who, or how they are connected or how the background story is, so it cannot influence me at all. And so often it turns out that the reading still resonates. It is a wondrious thing actually.
Do people tend to look for just something in it they can identify with?


Hmm, sorry, too philosophical I suppose.


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posted July 24, 2014 04:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
It's just that I feel he lives in some fantasy world where we're waiting for each other and that it can survive without communication and meeting each other or something. After 2 years, blogging and such is just something I do and not something I really feel like he seems to, so that's why I asked about Neptune or the delusions.


This might actually be a personal issue of him, and not having anything to do with your or your connection. We do not know his angles, but maybe he has Neptune on the DESC or in 5th houe?

It seems his Neptune is unaspected, which might make him an extremely strong planet as a matter of fact, but in unpredictable sudden ways. As if this Neptunian style just bursts out of him occasionally and then fades again, or other people might be aware of it, but he isnīt.


I looked again and his Neptune is conjunct your Uranus, which is a generational aspect, so I did not mention it. However, your Uranus rules your 9th house, so with his Neptune on your 9th house ruler, he might confuse you espially in terms of "distant communication". 3rd and 9th house both have to do with communicating, but the 9th house is usually not as personal, day-to-day, so this communicating through a blog with you wuld make sense to me.

This conjunction might actually even be more important than I thought at first, cause it falls into your 7th house of relationships.

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posted July 24, 2014 04:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hannaramaa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, you're fine! I welcome debates about the Tarot because part of it is psychology. That's sort of what I was touching on in my thread in TTLG about people from the past "showing up" in readings when you know full and well they are gone out of your life.

I'll think about it and reply more tomorrow after I've slept as it's almost 4 AM here

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posted July 24, 2014 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

This might actually be a personal issue of him, and not having anything to do with your or your connection. We do not know his angles, but maybe he has Neptune on the DESC or in 5th houe?

It seems his Neptune is unaspected, which might make him an extremely strong planet as a matter of fact, but in unpredictable sudden ways. As if this Neptunian style just bursts out of him occasionally and then fades again, or other people might be aware of it, but he isnīt.


I looked again and his Neptune is conjunct your Uranus, which is a generational aspect, so I did not mention it. However, your Uranus rules your 9th house, so with his Neptune on your 9th house ruler, he might confuse you espially in terms of "distant communication". 3rd and 9th house both have to do with communicating, but the 9th house is usually not as personal, day-to-day, so this communicating through a blog with you wuld make sense to me.

This conjunction might actually even be more important than I thought at first, cause it falls into your 7th house of relationships.


Hi, hope you don't mind me chiming in here as I like to debate and learn as well. I'm on the same page with Ceri about the conjunction of moon/neptune conjunction not necessarily being about deceptions or illusions but also about that powerful spiritual/psychic connection. I think the squares and oppositions might be more prone to the deception/illusion but I feel the easy aspects are definitely the more romantic kind...I put the conjunction in that category as well. I also think it has a lot to do with the natals and how Neptunian each individual is. I looked back at your charts and you both are definitely Neptunian and as I said before in synastry you have a moon/neptune DW. From what I see, especially with the other romantic/loving aspects..I don't think it's deception/illusion as much as it is spiritual/psychic. At the worst since you have a natal venus/neptune square, you might have a tendency to put him on a pedestal but I dot think, in this case, that's terribly bad.

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posted July 29, 2014 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hanna,

I wanted to update you on the concert, esp. the question if he was being there.

Yes, he was there, though at the beginning he said that it was very likely that he would have to leave any moment and soon and unpredictably because of her pregnancy.
In fact they evoked the impression (she was there, too, in the audience, but on a separate place, to make it more comfortable to sit there) that the baby was due this very day, or at least this weekend.

Anyway Junior decided to give it some more time and stay put for the evening, so in fact Mr Sag was there all evening, and even stayed for photos and autographs, as I heard (cause I did not stay for that. lol).


I found it interesting, I wouldnīt have to expect him to show up at all, and certainly not her to be there as well, with her going into labour any moment now. It was a bit bizarre actually. lol

of course he was concerned and nervous, especially in the first half. In the seconed he seemed to be calmer and was not checking so much on her, lookwise, until she reminded him with a textmessage that she was there. lol

He must really love his job. to be honest I am a bit surprised he didn`t cancel. Everyone would have understood given the circumstances.

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Hanna,

I wanted to update you on the concert, esp. the question if he was being there.

Yes, he was there, though at the beginning he said that it was very likely that he would have to leave any moment and soon and unpredictably because of her pregnancy.
In fact they evoked the impression (she was there, too, in the audience, but on a separate place, to make it more comfortable to sit there) that the baby was due this very day, or at least this weekend.

Anyway Junior decided to give it some more time and stay put for the evening, so in fact Mr Sag was there all evening, and even stayed for photos and autographs, as I heard (cause I did not stay for that. lol).


I found it interesting, I wouldnīt have to expect him to show up at all, and certainly not her to be there as well, with her going into labour any moment now. It was a bit bizarre actually. lol

of course he was concerned and nervous, especially in the first half. In the seconed he seemed to be calmer and was not checking so much on her, lookwise, until she reminded him with a textmessage that she was there. lol

He must really love his job. to be honest I am a bit surprised he didn`t cancel. Everyone would have understood given the circumstances.


Did you guys make any eye contact again? Did he know you were there?

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Yes, actually we did. It was, well, I was surprised, as he must have had his mind totally frazzled and on his woman who was pretty much on giving birth to his child. And yes he HAD his mind on her and was checking up on her all the time, at least initially.

Still at a certain point in the show, he saw me, and actually at one point managed to TOTALLY startle me, I know it was just a passionate song, but still.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRPcCbLIVKk

at about 4:48 or 4:49

It actually really startled me. I was totally immersed in the song, and suddenly felt like HIT squarely in my chest, and well, to be honest for a tiny irrational moment I felt like he was shouting at me. LOL
It was just one of these moments, but by now I know when he sees me, by the way I feel like a deer trapped in spotlights. lol (actually there were some spotlights directed into the audience occasionally as well, and my red tunic must have been glowing in the dark. lol).

Just one of those moments. It totally surprised me though, I would have thought he would be blind to anything and anyone except her.

But he is a show-man, he apparantly lives for the performance, otherwise he wouldnīt have been there on that of all days. Of course I was glad he was, but even I was concerned for her wellbeing.

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Yes, actually we did. It was, well, I was surprised, as he must have had his mind totally frazzled and on his woman who was pretty much on giving birth to his child. And yes he HAD his mind on her and was checking up on her all the time, at least initially.

Still at a certain point in the show, he saw me, and actually at one point managed to TOTALLY startle me, I know it was just a passionate song, but still.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRPcCbLIVKk

at about 4:48 or 4:49

It actually really startled me. I was totally immersed in the song, and suddenly felt like HIT squarely in my chest, and well, to be honest for a tiny irrational moment I felt like he was shouting at me. LOL
It was just one of these moments, but by now I know when he sees me, by the way I feel like a deer trapped in spotlights. lol (actually there were some spotlights directed into the audience occasionally as well, and my red tunic must have been glowing in the dark. lol).

Just one of those moments. It totally surprised me though, I would have thought he would be blind to anything and anyone except her.

But he is a show-man, he apparantly lives for the performance, otherwise he wouldnīt have been there on that of all days. Of course I was glad he was, but even I was concerned for her wellbeing.


Oh man...he sings soooooo beautifully ❤❤❤❤
First thing that came to my mind?? Phantom of the Opera! I totally pictured him singing to you!!
Sounds like you got hit right in the heart chakra...glad to hear you were concerned about his wife..TF's are always concerned with the other's loved ones

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