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Aubyanne
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posted October 31, 2014 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dancing Maenad was generous enough to do a draw for me before disappearing into exams for the next three weeks. Alas, I'm left with a lot of resulting questions. She's since suggested I seek assistance in this forum.

The reading is here.

Some of my most specific questions are:

What is the Knighting relationship expressed in this reading? What does that connexion indicate?

A LITTLE BACKGROUND ...

The individual referenced in the spread is a romantic partner as well as my costar. We are involved in a developing television series and have recently become committed to the relationship we're in. Undoubtedly, it dredges some very deeply buried traumas and reopens old wounds. We're on a journey of healing together, using psychological techniques, tantra, and dream work.

SCYTHE in the future position, DM suggested, could be clarifying the MOON; showing an end to the illusions and confusion.

Were it in the past position, it would make eerie sense. In the future, I'm a bit perplexed.

Thanks to any who offer advice and guidance. Being an astrologer of 25 years, I'm happy to assist you wherever I can in return.

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Ceridwen
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posted October 31, 2014 03:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I disagree with DM slightly in the asessment. Must be a first time.
But the Moon in Lenormand is different from the Moon in Tarot; in Lenormand it depicts popularity, creativity, even fame, plus the other big area is that of emotion and romance.


Combined with the scythe it could under circumstances depict a separation, but I find another interpretation more likely and that is that of an emotional decision.
Something in your emotional life will totally change, and the process is already ongoing.
The scythe will cut your emotional life in two halves, one of BEFORE and one of NOW/ AFTER. Since they are in your direct future, this might already have started.
Also even though you are not totally at the end of the line, you are quite close to the end, so I think a very significant lifechange is awaiting you, and it will have to do with that emotional decision, or that relationship that might make you cut ties with the past or at least with the way you were dealing with emotional involvement in the past.
This emotional decision and development will actually be the very trigger for the change. And it will be a BIG one. Earthshaking.


The first card of your GT, the themecard is the Coffin. So there is a dramatic ending, an overwhelming transformation and transition taking place. The coffin, while often coming up in separations and endings, also can signal great passion, that "Nothing will ever be the same way as before" kind of thing.


You and the gentleman are knighting each other, so there is a nearly unbreakable connection and bond between the two of you (at least at this point in time, of course the GT is not valid forever but just for a time). since this happens through knighting this connection might be subtle or not as obvious, but the cord is being there and I suppose it slowly becomes more apparent, even to the two of you, how deeply you are interconnected.

I also take into consideration which cards are being passed by knighting and these cards are MOON and LETTER, and LILY and RING.

In fact we can trace where your respective lines cross, which is your meeting point. and that is

the RING and MOON

What it tells me is that the connection between you is actually a romantic and creative (Moon) relationship (Ring). The ring is of course a circle so it could also denote something karmic, you know going round and round.

With the LILY being part of your connection, your relationship would of course have to be a sensual and sexual one. Though the Lily`s sexuality is more sensual and maybe even tantric than just the act itself. The Lily also has meaning in terms of families, so either might denote being from the same soulfamily, or feeling a strong kinship with each other on top of the sexual romantic relationship.
With the letter also being part of it, all of this will become known, at least to the two of you. You will gain awareness about the real nature of your relationship to each other, and that is romantic, erotic, sexual, creative and like family at the same time.


EDIT
The scythe in combination with the Moon could of course also denote cutting open old emotional wounds so they can finally heal

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Dancing Maenad
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posted October 31, 2014 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dancing Maenad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've read that too, Ceri, but different sources say different things about the meaning of the Moon.

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Aubyanne
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posted October 31, 2014 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri,

JUST wanted to clarify that I did see your response in the prior thread, and it was in error that I reposted the part about MOON having a distinct 'past' connotation. I edited that out, as it was left in by mistake. I appreciated your input.

However, I AM glad that we're discussing it, as, like all things, there seems to be conflicting opinions.

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Ceridwen
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posted October 31, 2014 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dancing Maenad:
I've read that too, Ceri, but different sources say different things about the meaning of the Moon.


Yes, you`re right. I lookd it up in a German book, and she was going on about illusions as well.
However this is what I read more rarely. I suppose so, being the Moon it could still represent that, even though personally I consider the Moon in Lenormand more indicative of creativity and emotionality. But that is probably because of the sources I have read in depth and first.

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Aubyanne
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posted October 31, 2014 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aubyanne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To be honest, Ceri, if I came to accept this, it would absolutely change everything. Everything.

I could no longer have a passing fancy in regards to karma. I would have to accept, with full understanding, that I HAVE lived before; these events DID occur, and they've affected me on so deep of a level that, in conjunction to certain influences, I've actually created intellectual property representative of that struggle -- or some struggle. Some deep-seated conflict.

I would have to accept that my reality encompasses a powerful, overriding element which I could no longer ignore; that it isn't coincidence that I created this story, or these characters.

Strangely enough, I was more capable of processing the understanding of Fate being my Twin than ... him being ... him.

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Ceridwen
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posted November 01, 2014 07:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aubyanne:
these events DID occur, and they've affected me on so deep of a level that, in conjunction to certain influences, I've actually created intellectual property representative of that struggle -- or some struggle. Some deep-seated conflict.



Personally I find that to be most likely true.

Interestingly I have been told that myself, when I was writing a story on another forum, Well, what several people told me was that it was as if I "was writing down a story that had really happened, somewhere, sometime". I suppose they wanted to say that it felt authentic to them, at least the underlying emotional current.
I donīt believe that that story happened the way I wrote it (THAT was poetic licence and symbolic), but that symbolism and the emotional undercurrent were VERY real, hitting so close to home, that I couldn`t write the ending for months!
It was like something inside me was refusing to "see" it. Close your eyes, close your eyes, don`t look there. Just don`t.

Well, I suppose the story was illuminating most of all a part of me or my soul that I couldn`t quite bring myself to face before.
In THAT way it was authentic. Not that it really happened somewhere else. Or who knows?
I mean I can still see the locations.
But then again a part of me is still walking through the streets in London at night. I mean I know I am here, in Germany, but I am weird if it comes to memories, some of them seem to happen simultaneously to whatever I am going through here.
It does not even feel as if my mind is divided, it just operates on several levels / dimensions, that seem to have "substance".
Luckily enough most of the time I know where I am (physically speaking). If this gets out of balance, I jusually experience a dizzy spell.

It is a little like I wrote in that essay, and I never understood why I wrote that, just that it felt right. "Dreams are the possibility of a reality".

So, in a way I see your story like that. Of course it happened, somehow, somewhere, somewhen (not necessarily literally like you wrote it, but something in it is very real and took roots; maybe it did happen exactly THAT way, or it is a symbolism that is meant to make you see something about yourself, about him). If it weren`t existent, you would not have been able to write about it.
Inspiration comes from inspirare: breathing into.
Waht was being breathed into you?
A thought, a memory, an insight, a truth. Whatelse cuold it have been?


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