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NYCdodger
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posted March 21, 2016 11:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NYCdodger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I get this card a lot when it comes to certain relationships an union.

I know its different from justice because the judgment card has nothing to do with judging or criticizing others.

So what does the judgment card REALLY mean when it comes to relationships as feelings.

Any experiences?

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posted March 21, 2016 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It means ending. Subject has run its course, lesson has been learned, and you are moving on for better or for worse.

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posted March 22, 2016 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenaia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I usually see it as an indicator that your relationship/interpersonal relationship with someone is erring on the side of bad karma. It hasn't quite gotten there yet (the Devil), nor is it the end (Death) just yet, but there is a chance for redemption/rebirth if you both correct the behavior (Judgement)

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posted March 22, 2016 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Judgement comes after the Death card.

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posted March 22, 2016 01:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saille     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It means there is an assessment of you by someone. Someone is looking over your information may it be personal or business. I get this card after after I apply to a job interview, after I complete an interview, and struggling to understand my relationship with someone if we are having problems. Like the universe is looking over everything and seeing how it affects you. There should be a result after the judgment, but its not about death, or things ending. That is the death card or the 8 of cups or 5 of cups.

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posted March 22, 2016 02:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.biddytarot.com/tarot-card-meanings/major-arcana/judgement/

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posted March 22, 2016 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saille     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is nothing about death there. The judgment card asks that you look at your life because a change is going to occur, a decision that will impact you. There are literally people looking at the angel "waiting for their judgment." Will they go to hell or heaven...it depends on the choices they made. The death card is the ending , something you cant go back to. Neither forward or back. The judgment is moving forward. I read biddy, keen, and other sites as well.
I think Athenaia nailed it with her comment "but there is a chance for redemption/rebirth if you both correct the behavior (Judgement)".
Not sure if this has to do with your partner, but if it does...there is a decision being made out of your/his control...just not sure if it'll be good or bad, but you can pull cards for that too.

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posted March 22, 2016 02:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It says "rebirth" and "absolution"


It goes on:

As with everything in life, the beginning is woven irrevocably into the end and the end eventually leads to a new beginning.


With its theme of awakening to new life, the Judgement card suggests that you have reviewed and evaluated your past experiences and have learned from them.


This integration has healed any deep wounds and you are now in a position to put the past behind you. Your memories no longer haunt you, and you are able to understand and value what has happened to you and what it has taught you about life.

Judgement is about finding absolution. Through a period of self-evaluation, you will feel cleansed of your ‘sins’, wrongdoings and mistakes, and you will finally be released of your guilt and sorrow about the past. This represents a wonderful purging process and will leave you feeling refreshed and ready to take on any new challenges.

I didn't mention the word death once

Usually Judgement doesn't give second chances like you are stating. Its over and whatever karma has been worked on its result is what is left.


When me and my ex bf broke up I had a three card spread and it was knight of cups, three of swords, and judgement. he and i haven't been together since he left in 2012. plus i have done many other readings which state the same thing.. an ending and what is karmically due.

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posted March 22, 2016 02:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saille     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I read it and understood and have a different opinion than you.
She is talking about feelings. She not "feeling" death.
There is a decision to be made that she doesn't have control over.

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posted March 22, 2016 02:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did I mention death?

I said ending.


end·ing
ˈendiNG/Submit
noun
an end or final part of something, especially a period of time, an activity, or a book or movie.
"the ending of the Cold War"
synonyms: end, finish, close, closing, conclusion, resolution, summing-up, windup, denouement, finale; cessation, stopping, termination, discontinuation
"a happy ending"


death
deTH/Submit
noun
the action or fact of dying or being killed; the end of the life of a person or organism.
"I don't believe in life after death"
synonyms: demise, dying, end, passing, loss of life; eternal rest, quietus; murder, assassination, execution, slaughter, massacre; informalcurtains; formaldecease; archaicexpiry
"her father's death"

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posted March 22, 2016 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saille     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see, so you mentioning "Judgement comes after the Death card." was just coincidence?
Your reading was your reading regarding your ex...and with the 3 of sword in your reading, I'm guessing a decision was made that you had no control over. Regardless a "judgement" was made to "end" something, but in her case, things are still being looked over. There is no end/death..its literally the process before something happens.

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posted March 22, 2016 03:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't understand what you are saying.

I said Judgement comes after the Death card because judgement is card 20 and Death is card 13 and she said "nor is it the end (Death) just yet".


Obviously Death and Ending have two different meanings and you are assuming my saying ending means the same thing as death.

No.

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posted March 22, 2016 03:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saille     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You got the No part right. I didn't assume anything, but thank you for again assuming someone else is incorrect. What is baffling is you somehow jumping in to tell me my interpretation and experience of the judgment card was incorrect, because of biddy..not even your own opinion. Why? I was answering this for NYC, and she can choose to take our opinion on not.
Why did you feel the need to tell me I was somehow wrong when it had nothing to do with you nor was it your question!I never addressed my answer to you to begin with.

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Saille
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posted March 22, 2016 03:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saille     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry NYC! Let us know what happens.

And since this is the 13th reply, I'm going to take it as..."the death" of this conversation.

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posted March 22, 2016 03:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually you are the one who implied I was wrong and I was simply defending my answer:


"There should be a result after the judgment, but its not about death, or things ending. That is the death card or the 8 of cups or 5 of cups."


You said its not about things ending. How do you gather its not about things ending based on the interpretation I posted? Death and ending do not have the same meaning.

Anyway, have fun.

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Saille
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posted March 22, 2016 03:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saille     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where in this conversation did I direct my first answer you?!!
I read your Comment and anthenaia comments, and put my thoughts in. I didn't direct anything to either of you, yet you assumed it was directed at "you". Why? did you mention the 8 of cups, of 5 of cups, and as you said

"Did I mention death?"

so how was I directing this to you, if you weren't talking about those cards.

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posted March 22, 2016 03:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It was directed at me because I was the one who stated in means ending. ? nobody else said that so who else could it have been directed to. maybe pay more attention to what you are writing.

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posted March 22, 2016 04:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saille     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
It was directed at me because I was the one who stated in means ending. ? nobody else said that so who else could it have been directed to. maybe pay more attention to what you are writing.

To the actual questioner. Not you. I read the question, then athenaia's comment then yours, then thought of my reading when I 've gotten the judgement cards and came to the conclusion (my conclusions being that I have never seen the judgment card as things ending or death) That was it. You read so much into my answer and were offended. I think you've paid too attention to my writing for the both of us. You've copied and pasted responses from everywhere else, but your own thoughts

NYC may be thinking about the bad and good things about this guy/girl....and that is what I think the Judgement card is telling her here in this case.
Like the Friends episode when Rachel and Ross write down on paper what is great and hard about the person they love and their relationship!

you should think on your own more before writing. Just a thought. My own thoughts.

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posted March 22, 2016 05:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Judgment is a positive card in Rider-Waite Tarot (it has a basic "yes" value for the querent's question) and while being very complex in possible meanings, it mainly means rebirth/resurrection/awakening/calling, and also, as its other primary meaning, evaluating and deciding, having an epiphany, a wake up call.

It does not mean ending (but every Tarot reader can have their own personal connotation), dooms day, apocalypse day, and so on, Waite is a major figure of Western Esotericism, the source of Neo-Pagan, New Age, which was a turning-point esoteric movement intending to inject multi-cultural eclecticism into Tarot and snatch it away from Judeo-Christian (or any other religions) symbolism monopoly. Waite's intention in using traditional symbolism from various religions reflects his convictions that Tarot symbolism and occultism go beyond a religion, and that all religions are basically the same, using the same concepts, and that no group/religion/philosophy/dogma prevails in genuine occultism.

So the card Judgment has nothing to do with Judgment Day as per the Book of Revelation in meaning, it does not reflect the apocalypse and the end of days, the image was used from an eclectic, not religious perspective, as said, and it preserves the idea of awakening, calling, exercising our own better judgment.

I am saying this because many internet resources wrongly interpret this card as a "negative" card because of an unconscious Apocalypse cultural fixation when seeing the imagery.

This is a good list with the original and basic meanings of Judgment:

JUDGEMENT

JUDGMENT
REBIRTH
INNER CALLING
ABSOLUTION

[ Actions ] [ Opposing Cards ] [ Reinforcing Cards ] [ Description ] [ Reversed? ]

ACTIONS

making a judgment
having a day of reckoning
separating the wheat from the chaff
making an honest appraisal
getting off the fence
using critical faculties
taking a stand
making hard choices

feeling reborn
awakening to possibilities
transforming
enjoying renewed hope
making a fresh start
seeing everything in a new light
discovering joy

hearing a call
recognizing your true vocation
feeling inner conviction
feeling an impulse to act
deciding to make a difference
feeling drawn in a new direction
knowing what you must do
answering a need

finding absolution
feeling cleansed and refreshed
releasing guilts and sorrows
forgiving yourself and others
atoning for past mistakes
unburdening yourself
feeling sins washed away


"It is the card which registers the accomplishment of the great work of transformation in answer to the summons of the Supernal--which summons is heard and answered from within." A.E.Waite

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posted March 22, 2016 06:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Judgment is a positive card in Rider-Waite Tarot (it has a basic "yes" value for the querent's question) and while being very complex in possible meanings, it mainly means rebirth/resurrection/awakening/calling, and also, as its other primary meaning, evaluating and deciding, having an epiphany, a wake up call.


I agree. That is how it has played out for me in most readings, too (unless followed or surrounded by ending-cards)

Also I noticed if I have judgement as daily card, I will have a "loud" day, noises seem louder than usually and for some reason I am hearing more hooters than at other times.

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posted March 22, 2016 07:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Judgment is a positive card in Rider-Waite Tarot (it has a basic "yes" value for the querent's question) and while being very complex in possible meanings, it mainly means rebirth/resurrection/awakening/calling, and also, as its other primary meaning, evaluating and deciding, having an epiphany, a wake up call.
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I agree as well, when I went through the death and rebirth I kept drawing the death card and the judgement card. I had no control over what had happened to me. I needed to be awakened to get back on my path. Though when judgement is reversed I see it as someone not listening to the call. I guess in some cases I could even see it as one not listening to God or the Angels being told to change and refusing to change your ways. But in the reverse the trumpet points backward towards death. And Gabriel is the messenger of the creator I think the above would be some cases though I can see it as a possibility. Not a literal death unless creator deems necessary but rather forcing a death ( ending) upon you which making heaven force a situation never goes well. But you are now on a new path.


Stopping here just my 2 cents

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posted March 22, 2016 08:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for JohnFKennedy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Judgement comes after the Death card.

Thus rebirth, no? When I read your first comment, my first thought, instinctually, was (well that sounds more like Death, The Tower, 10 of Swords, permanent changes) - LeeLoo articulated everything I could have said and better about Judgment and how it manifests in readings

At the end of the day all of us are entitled to our own interpretations. Heck, there are some people that believe whenever a court card appears in a reading about another person, it's a sign they have a husband/wife in their life. Obviously not all of us subscribe to that, but if it rings true for that reader, so be it..

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posted March 22, 2016 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Saille:
It means there is an assessment of you by someone. Someone is looking over your information may it be personal or business. I get this card after after I apply to a job interview, after I complete an interview, and struggling to understand my relationship with someone if we are having problems. Like the universe is looking over everything and seeing how it affects you. There should be a result after the judgment, but its not about death, or things ending. That is the death card or the 8 of cups or 5 of cups.

This is how I mostly use it. I usually don't like giving my meanings away, but this is definitely close to how I use the meaning of the card.

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posted March 22, 2016 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EmpressMendez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And this too

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
as said, and it preserves the idea of awakening, calling, exercising our own better judgment.

I am saying this because many internet resources wrongly interpret this card as a "negative" card because of an unconscious Apocalypse cultural fixation when seeing the imagery.

This is a good list with the original and basic meanings of Judgment:

JUDGEMENT

JUDGMENT
REBIRTH
INNER CALLING
ABSOLUTION

hearing a call
recognizing your true vocation
feeling inner conviction
feeling an impulse to act
deciding to make a difference
feeling drawn in a new direction
knowing what you must do
answering a need


quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Also I noticed if I have judgement as daily card, I will have a "loud" day, noises seem louder than usually and for some reason I am hearing more hooters than at other times.

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posted March 22, 2016 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NYCdodger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Sailie Im a male not a female!


I think you guys are saying the same thing just using different words, which is causing confusion and misunderstandings.

When Athengoddess said Judgement deals with "endings" she is basically saying that it deals with an "awakening" or a "realization". Its like an eureka, or an "AHA"! moment..

When it comes to feelings I see the judgment card as realizing/acknowledging what you're REALLY feeling on the inside. No more denials or cover-ups.

The angel is "calling up" the buried and raising them to the sky. Which symbolically means we are seeing the truth within ourselves and accepting it.


In relationships, the Judgment card may show whats really going on between the two and bringing it to the light (which can be a comfortable or an uncomfortable experience depending on the situation). Lets not forget that THE WORLD comes after judgment. Which means that after we acknowledge and accept whats going on within ourselves we feel happy and complete.


My main issue is that people compare the Judgment card to the Justice. Which deals with a more critical, "you did me wrong, so I'm going to do you wrong" kind of thing.

Judgment has nothing to do with fairness or equality. It deals self evaluation and accepting one's self, and past for what it is.

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