posted October 13, 2016 02:51 PM            

Mom is Dad`s Saturn card: life: birthcard - ruling card

Dad is Saturn to Mom spiritual: birth card - ruling card

Dad is Saturn to Mom spiritual: 1st karma - ruling card

Mom is cosmic lesson to Dad spiritual: 1st karma - ruling card

So I`d say the first 2 would be strongest.

They don`t have a direct connection between their birthcards themselves, so the strongest are really bewteen their birthcards and ruling cards (though it seems Camp almost treats them equally like Sun and rising sign in astrology)

So the strongest interconnections (between birthcard - ruling cards) are thus these between them:

Dad Mars to Mom: life
Mom Saturn to Dad. Life
Mom Jupiter to Dad: spiritual
Dad Mars to Mom spiritual
Mom Venus to Dad: spiritual
Dad Saturn to Mom spiritual
Mom and Dad Venus to each other: spiritual
Mom and Dad Mars to each other: life
Mom and Dad Jupiter to each other spiritual

Their Moon-connection would actually be the first of the "lesser connections"

Mom`s Moon to Dad in life spread, combining her birth card with his first Karma card
(still it involves her MAIN card).

posted October 13, 2016 03:19 PM            

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So what about the 6 of clubs all at once?
Maybe it`s a mistake?

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Maybe 6 of clubs is your decanate ruler. I've seen some count this as well.

posted October 13, 2016 03:26 PM            

The 6 of clubs doesn`t occur anywhere in my lifescript.

posted October 13, 2016 04:33 PM            

if you look at the spiritual spread, 6 of Clubs is in the same position where your karma card 2 of Clubs is in the life spread, I just saw that.

I am sure it is a karma card...but the more you go down the chain, the more diluted it becomes

posted October 13, 2016 06:43 PM            

my basics are

birthcard: King of Hearts (personality card: Queen of Hearts)

ruling card: 2 of diamonds

(decanate ruler: King of HEarts)

1st karma: 2 of clubs
2nd karma: 9 of spades

which gave me goosebump when I realized that I am in my 9 of spades year as well, I suppose that is why it sais in my yearly report (hey, If I want to learn, I want to REALLY learn it all. lol)

"This is a Major Completion Year for You
Because you have a Nine card in a prominent position this year (Long
Range, Pluto, Result, Environment, or Displacement), we know that this will be
a year in which you achieve an important ending in your life. This Nine may
occur in either your Birth Card or Planetary Ruling Card Spread. Endings can be
seen as disappointments if we disregard their true meaning. In truth they
represent graduations from chapters of our life that were important, but are now
no longer helpful for our personal growth and development. What is also
beautiful about endings is the wonderful freedom we feel after we have passed
through it and are on to our next stage of work and development.
Whatever the nature of the endings in your life this year, be glad that you
have reached the point in your development that you are ready to move on to
better things and relationships. We are often afraid to let go of things that have
become so familiar to us. Sometimes we are not even able to see that these things
are no longer of any real use to us. Rest assured that this is the case for you. You
are ready to move on and by this time next year, you will be in an entirely new
and better place for your personal and professional development and expansion.
If you have more than one occurrence of a Nine in these prominent
positions, the significance of this completion year becomes even greater and the
stronger the likelihood that many areas of your life are coming to an end in
preparation for a new phase of development.
Study whatever Nines you may find in your Yearly Spreads carefully. Each
one will reveal the specific areas that you may be encountering some important
completions."

birthcardspread:
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Long Range: 9 of spades

Ruling cards spread:
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9 of hearts (+4 of diamonds) in my Uranusperiod, which is actually NOW and lasting until 27th october

Luckily it is accompanied by a 4, which is said to offset any problematic situations and bring overall good results.

But yeah, makes sense I suppose.

posted October 13, 2016 07:02 PM            

birthspread
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Pluto card: 2 of diamonds (my ruling card, too!)

result card: Ace of clubs

displacement: 2 of spades

the 2 of spades comes up again in my Venus period next year (9th feb - 2nd april)

then the following Mars period has the 2 of clubs (my 1st karma card)
(april - may)

Uranus period has Ace of diamonds (september-october)

my ruling card spread
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Long Range card: 2 of hearts

Venus period has Ace of Diamonds as beginning card and 3 of hearts, which is actually my displacement card next year (and P`s ruling card)

my 1st karma card spread has a few of 5`s though

Long range: 5 of heart
result: 5 of spades

and in the yearly distribution of 2`s and Aces

Saturn period: 2nd of diamond and Ace of Spades
july-august

Uranus: Ace of clubs and 5 of clubs
(september-october)

Neptune: Ace of diamond
(november-december)

And in the 2nd karma card spread:

Environment card: Ace of Spades

That Ace of Spades comes up again in the Jupiter period for me along with King of hearts
(May-june)

Uranus and Neptune period so from september-december are all about 2`s

Uranusperiod:
2 of clubs and 2 of spades

Neptune period
2 of clubs

Well with that many 2 of clubs occurring, probably a good year on working on that karmic lesson of mine, the weak side, and learning to manifest the 2 of clubs more.

posted October 14, 2016 07:32 AM              

They listed 10 connections for us, but somewhere else it said we have 11. It might be because they only listed one karma card for me, but elsewhere it said I have two. Out of those 4 cards, 3 are identical to his. Not sure if that's meaningful or not.

Our connections, in order of importance are:

-same Birth card
-He's Saturn to me (life spread)
-I'm Mars to him (life spread)
-I'm Jupiter to him (spiritual spread)
-he is Venus to me (life spread)
-we're Mars to each other (spiritual spread)
-we're Jupiter to each other (life spread)
-he is Jupiter to me (spiritual spread)
-he is my Cosmic reward (spiritual spread)
-I'm Neptune to him (life spread)

On the other hand our composite looks like a one night stand according to Todd. So I'll take both extremes with some caution.

posted October 14, 2016 08:34 AM            

Also, I was looking into it a bit, and when leaving away the karma cards, but just using birth and ruling card, I suddenly saw differences in the reports.

For example doing that in my report with P:

he is Moon to me - spiritual (BC-BC)
he is Venus to me - life (RC-BC)
I am Saturn to him life (BC-RC)
I am cosmic lesson to him spiritual (BC-rc)
we are Venus to each other spiritual (RC - BC)

And if I single out those for C and me

he is Neptune to me spiritual (BC-BC)
I am Pluto to him spiritual (RC-BC)
he is Neptune to me spiritual (RC- RC)

And that`s it. The difference is easy to see. While I am convinced that even if it is just one person`s birth or ruling card to the other`s karma car, it will be in effect, THESE may be the most prominent ones, and it`s easy to see, that here there is simply a lack of real connection.
It`s all smoke and mirrors and transformation.

Though my report with C also has some nice things to say, but I don`t think the word soulmate was being used. lol

Though "fated" was used, but in respect of me bringing kathartic experiences into his life for him to change something.

the strongest PERSONAL connection between us would be between my birthcard and his 1st karma card

which is that we are Mars to each other in lifespread, I am Mars to him and he is Jupiter to me in spiritual spread (all the same combo)

I start thinking that maybe those connections that are made of a personal card (birthcard/ ruling card/ possibly decanate ruler) and a karma card, really mean that, Karmic business. In this instance it is his 1st karma card, his weak spot, so maybe it would be more interesting for him to work out issues, if we ever got that close. lol Which we won`t.

In this regard for example I find it intersting that I am in spiritual spread the Marscard to P, which basically means, that I arouse passions in him, be it sexual attraction or anger, possibly both.

BUT at the same time it is made from my 1st karma card to his birthcard. So while I am apparently activating those reactions in him, at the same time it might be ME having to learn something from it, maybe to simply deal with this kind of resonance? which fits my Mars on NN in astrology btw. I need to learn to somehow handle stronger feelings in other people that I might have been the reason for.
(I tend to avoid those issues).

Well my 1st karma card is the 2 of clubs, so what does the 2 of clubs mean?
It is a card of people who like to socialize with others, as a 2-card they are about personal unions, relationshpips, and mostly about communicating with others in an open manner.
Since that is my 1st karma card, there`s something I have to learn about, and incidentally HIS reactions to how I communicate sometimes, tell me a lot about my own way of communication that is not always bringing things across the way I want to. Or bringing things across unintentionally. In this way his reactions, that sometimes feel a bit surprisingly strong to me, help me reflect myself in this regard.

I think that is how I would interprete this particular combination. On top of what it sais in the report.

"It might be because they only listed one karma card for me, but elsewhere it said I have two. "
Yes, curiously for me, too. Though the connection list uses my second one as well.

"Out of those 4 cards, 3 are identical to his."
That is definitely meaningful! Probably a reason the word twin came up.

P and me have not one card in common, though my personality card is apparently his birthcard.

Well they say the personality card is for women the Queen of the suit their birthcard falls in, so this would make me the Queen of Hearts, which is his birthcard.

for men it is interestingly the Jack of their suit (not the King, no clue why).

But apart from that we follow a different drummer in that regard.

for me it is

birthcard: King of Hearts
ruling card: 2 of diamond
(decanate ruler: same as bc for me)

1st karma: 2 of clubs
2nd karma: 9 of spades

for him it is:

bc: Queen of Hearts
ruling card: 3 of hearts
(decanate ruler: same as bc)

1st karma: 10 of spade
2nd karma 9 of clubs

BTW that means that the Mars-connection is also a karmic one for him as well, as

I am Mars to him in spiritual twice.

Once made from my 1st karma card to his birthcard
then made from his 1st karma cart to my ruling card

So I guess we both have to learn from that Martian response he shows to me.

his 1st karma card; 10 of spades and so I guess he has to learn something about applying the right amount of force or energy to something and find a balance (as 10 of spades are all about drive and success, and often public and family sphere interlock for them).

Your connections on first glance look quite romantic to me, but maybe more so with an emphasis on the sexual sphere (so much Mars). He is Venus to you, so you should adore him, and you are Mars to him, so he will be turned on by you.

What I miss however is a Moon-connection to be honest. Though the Jupiter-connections look nice, though.

Moon-connections seem to be the ones making couples inclined for longterm comitment, while Venus as sweet and attractive it is, seems not to provide the same kind of depth, according to the author. But I donīt know, maybe you have the Moon connection in one of your other connections, they did not list in the report.

Besides the same birthcard looks very relevant to me.
Though snce the birth card is the Sun card, maybe you would wrestle about who is the leader in that relationship? Or maybe it just means meeting each other on a very equal level?

Orange, what do you think?

"But can someone explain to me what life spread and spiritual spread mean?"

Life spread are the connections made just in the Here and now and coming from your personality.

Spiritual spread brings something unresolved from your past lives and makes you address it now.

It seems that life-connections can be more "in your face" for the moment, but the spiritual ones are more powerful and more lasting, providing more depth to the connection.

Camp compared the Mars-connections in life and spiritual spread, saying that in life spread Venus-Mars could be like one big explosion, and then it fizzles out, while when in the spiritual spread it is less prone to angry outbursts but more passionate and coming with an urgency to manifest that (sexual) passion.
Might take a while longer to get there, but less likely to fizzle out.

posted October 14, 2016 09:07 AM            

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Out of those 4 cards, 3 are identical to his."

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yes, this is definitely a big deal. And it is very rare, btw.

I have that with Aries. The Destiny cards reading does mention things like "soulmates", "twins" "mirrors to each other" and "the most important connection in one's life".
I does feel like that!

posted October 14, 2016 09:08 AM            

I like how you brought out the essence of the spread by isolating the birth card/ruling card. It does show a big difference between the spreads with P. and C. wow!

posted October 14, 2016 09:46 AM            

Just click on the drop down menu to the left of the screen, choose age group, then choose the exact age and look at the life spread that will be shown on the screen. Then find your birth card in the spread and start looking at the cards from right to he left . The first card to the left of your birth card is the first 52-days period of your Solar year ( from your birthday that year).

posted October 14, 2016 09:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Ceri,

I like how you brought out the essence of the spread by isolating the birth card/ruling card. It does show a big difference between the spreads with P. and C. wow!

This is the reason they said - the first few connections on the list are the most important, with Identical cards being of the upermost importance.

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Yes, suddenly when I did that, it was like a fog was lifting.

I STILL think karmic cards-connections are important, but they come with a different "feel" than the basic comparisions.
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It starts getting more "contours/definition" somehow.

BTW Jude Law and me share the same ruling card. LOL

I think however what I would leave away from the comparision is probably karma to karma card, unless it is really the fact that you are each other`s karma cards, that definitely must be ultra-important.

BTW marriages seem to be possible even without sharing the same cards, ad my parents donīt though interestingly enough. my Dad`s birhtcard is my ruling cards, and my Mom`s ruling card is the Queen of Hearts, which is of course my own Moon-card.

Their Moon connection is not between basic cards, but between my Moms birth card and my Dad`s 1st karma card. so this one definitely seems to be strong enough still.

posted October 14, 2016 10:03 AM            

I actually have ordered the yearly report for last and next year, and I am still reading it through, but it is also interesting in terms of relationships and who will play a role that year.

turns out P came up as my Pluto card this ongoing year in my ruling card spread, as my Pluto card was Jack of Hearts (which is not his basic card but his personality card and they say it is to consider).

the interpretation is this:

"Your Pluto Card is also a very important card in the Yearly Spread. It signifies
something or someone that will cause a significant change in some part of your
life. It may define an area where you experience a 'mini-death' in your life, a
place where you release a negative pattern to make room for a more positive
way of life."

posted October 14, 2016 11:40 AM            

Birthcard spread
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Mercury-Period: december15-january16

Queen of Hearts (+ Queen of Clubs)

- so sine his birthcard came up there, it would mean a strong prominence of him for me during that timeframe-

To derive the meaning I would need to combine the meaning of all those; the fact that he came up in combination with Queen of Clubs and in the Mercury-period.

my ruling card spread
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my Pluto card: Jack of hearts (his personality card) - and effective for the whole year

my 1st karma card spread
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Uranus period: september-october

3 of hearts (his ruling card) plus 2 of diamonds (my ruling card)

Hmm so it seems that this month I have both our ruling cards in my yearly spread - wonder if that is meaningful.
Well truth be told we`ve been interacting more than ever and communicating more direct than ever, to the point of ******* each other off at times. just a little bit. Because we can be both rather maddening.

And honestly revising those interplays, (well they are pretty public, partly on video. lol) I guess we donīt really talk to each other like a performer should talk to his fans and I am certainly not talking to him like a fan should. lol

Must be the Sag-MErcury in both charts. Or because I am his Mars card and we are Venus to each other.

2nd karma card spread
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Uranus period: september-october

10 of spades (his 1st karma card) plus 7 of spades

Interestingly however C`s birthcard is the long range card in my 2nd karma spread this year, so it was apparently indicated that this would be the year I would pay more attention to him.

posted October 14, 2016 11:52 AM            

I guess we are all alone in this thread by now

posted October 14, 2016 11:56 AM            

yes, I guess we lost most of the others.

posted October 14, 2016 11:59 AM            

The Bird card wasnt so much of a fit for the yearly spreads but still showed the dynamic.

The only thing I wonder and I am not sure - when the lines end at the bottom and we have to continue counting from the top - do we start from the Crown line, or we dismiss the crown line and start from the regular line on top right.

posted October 14, 2016 12:06 PM            

Honestly speaking though there were quite truthful things in all those spreads; what surprised me however was how fitting the readings for the Karma-spread were! Did not expect them being at least on equal level with the birth card and ruling card, maybe more so.

posted October 14, 2016 12:10 PM            

but of course there were very fitting things in the others, too.

For example my long range card for the birth card spread this year is 9 of spades.

And I do think this is reflected, among other things, in the sudden and surrprising death of my best friend`s mother at the end of april, and also in the notification of many other deaths in my farther surrounding. It just felt so much like a year of transfromation, in the death and birth kind of sense. Not just for me but for people around me.

Not a death, but luckily a birth, the birth of my nephew, but at the same time it put an end to the old lifestyle of my brother and his gf, but also totally took over my and other relative`s lives as well.