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todd
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posted July 23, 2020 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Dwhelps
In relation to physical problems, the node square Chiron sticks out as well as the vertex conjunct to the vertex.also as mercury is conjunct the node, there might be a psychogical factor to your physical woes.

But what interests me is that mars is trine to Venus and the midpoint is conjunct the node.by itself this is a very favorable aspects for relationships and social attraction.it tends to give a very attractive physical appearances and always bring many suitors and admirers.
Mercury with the node shows you are exceptionally intelligent and also have strong psychic abilities. Often with this aspect they dismiss their psychic side instead chalking it up to the very logical mind of the position. But you must have noticed how quickly you find answers to questions that arise in your life.it is as if you have a inner guide that leads you to the right book or person to find the answers you are looking for.but with sun square to Neptune,giving a visionary potential,I think you already realize that you can even read others minds and emotions.
Your sun /Neptune midpoint is opposed to Lilith also which would enhance your psychic power.in this case it could give you visions or premonitions.these could be very realistic.

I'm going to post in segments because I have been having trouble with my post disappearing,so I want to make sure this gets through before I go on
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posted July 23, 2020 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay so far so good.

I have looked at some additional symbols and I have to say you are a Siren,I mean you cast a spell on many who know you.this is shown by your psyche square to Eros and Eros opposed to lith .this gives you a loving,romantic nature . you give off these vibrations spobanteously,these energies imamate fro your deepest "self". I don't mean that you try to enchant others consciously,because this is just your innate loving nature.you have a beautiful innonce about you,so I would expect that you are taken a back sometimes because others can fall in love with you without you realizing how you affected them.

That said,you do have other aspects that show the reality of your romantic life has not been so easy.
First you have the sun/Neptune square's midpoint square to Venus.this makes relationship very opaque .I mean that you have been deceived emotionally before by words of love.this might have given you a mistrusting nature about relationships .
You do enjoy and socializing but at your core you desire a committed relationship and really look forward to marriage.it is just that so many players try to get close to you that it can CE difficult to tell what true intentions are a play.
You Juno is conjunct to Jupiter which shows you want a committed relationship/marriage to complete your life.
Complication here are,first the Jupiter/Juno conjunction is conjunct the vertex,and secondly the midpoint of Jupiter/Juno and the sun is conjunct the astroid Lie.
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posted July 23, 2020 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The stelliun of Jupiter/Juno/vertex is extremely powerful.not just in the realm of relationships but it also shows a very educated mind and exceptional organization skills.it is a excuetive aspect showing you have the innate knowledge and skill to operate at the top of financial or educational institutions.
But the vertex is a very powerful and mysterious energy.it can bring input from higher planes of reality.it also can give otherworldly and "paranormal
" sensations or experiences.it very often gives a sense of destiny and karma affecting ones life.you obvious have questions about these realms as I see you added the asteroid karma.so with you emotional and physical charms, you are very often misjudged because you are far deeper and profound that just a "pretty face".
You really have a exceptional chart and it is difficult to see your actualality as you could experiece extremely different outcomes to the influences around you.
Your stellium of Jupiter/Juno/Vertex forms a grand trine with the moon and the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction.this is indicative of strong family connections and heritage of social/financial strength .the Saturn/Uranus conjunction could qualify this a bit as there might have been reversals or obstructions that needed to be overcome.
And I have to warn that though the vertex is exceptionally strong,because it is associated with other planes of reality,that often the promise and opportunities it brings are very difficult to manifest in Human reality.I mean that often the influences of vertex does not conform to what normally would be expected.
And as it does show karma and etheric influences ,external coincidences or causes from past lives and such ,can severely altered the way the vertex affects your life for good or bad.

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posted July 23, 2020 10:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It really seems that your charm has not always been a blessing because the are aspects of emotional deception.
The midpoints of the sun and juno/Jupiter conjunct to lie indicates that you have been lied to about intentions for marriage.in addition the Venus/mercury midpoint is also conjunct Lie which show someone you loved deeply was lying to you about his intention in a big way.
And mars is square to lie also.it is as if the more that someone says they love ,the less it is true .what makes this emotional devastating is that vesta is opposed to mars which that this unfaithfulness can follow the most ardent professions of devotion and undying love.I also notice that the astroid sappho is opposed to mars and conjunct to Vesta.hmmm this could be read different ways,one might be that a suitor wanted to do a menage de trios with you,though I really think you character would rule out this thought . another way of looking at this is that your women friends have always been supportive of you in your darkness despair.

There ate some additional dictations in your chart as why you have such "karma" with relationships.
But it is late and i need to think furthurcon these other influences
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posted July 23, 2020 11:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dwhelps     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 24, 2020 05:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dwhelps :

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how much of a chart is a given.
How much can you change?


Think of the natal chart as a radio that is tuned to a specific station, which cannot be changed by the chart owner. And of progressed + transit planets as satellite broadcasters of that station - whose transmissions are received only as-and-when they are at a specific point in their orbit around the Earth/centre-point of the natal chart.

In that context, the chart-owner has no control over the content or timing of the transmitted program ... but can choose to listen/not listen to them - and whether or not to act upon the content/lesson in the transmission(s) he/she does 'hear"/listen to.

Thus ... we cannot change what is "promised" in the natal chart ... and the content + timing of the progressions + transits to it are also "set in stone". ... However, we can change the extent to which we follow the natally charted path - and thereby influence the extent to which we shall achieve our maximum potential during the current lifetime.
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Take the Lie in my chart for example. Does that mean I will have a couple significant relationships I attract that lie/deceive me, in order for me to learn the lessons I need to learn? Or does it mean I am destined for that all my life, in this life?
How much of a factor is it that I can control... and how much can I 'breakthrough' my chart?

I do not have the knowledge/experience to comment on Lie. .. So, using the example of a person whose natal Mars inclines them to resolve disagreements with others via a physical fight rather than intellectual reasoning :-

Initially (usually during childhood/adolescence) that person will be frequently involved in fights with others, but - by the time of the Saturn Return - will probably learn that reasoning is a more socially acceptable method of resolving dispute. And, if not, he/she may ultimately have to learn it via society imprisoning him/her for (say) aggravated assault.

However ... if the lesson is learned early in life, the timing + content of progressions and transits to natal Mars will be exactly the same as if it was not learned until later ... BUT the lessons will be delivered with a different level of intensity (because the Law of Grace is activated whenever a natal lesson has been learned).

So ... whereas this person might once have been personally involved in a physical fight with another whilst attending (say) a nightclub, he/she now becomes just a third-party observer of two other people having that fight ... or perhaps even just someone that reads about the fight in the local newspaper. ... However, in all three scenarios, his/her Mars lesson is exactly the same.
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Is this the Vertex portion of my chart?

No. ... In my opinion, the vertex is the point in the chart which attracts fated events/encounters that freewill does not allow us to avoid/side-step ... And the anti-vertex is the point in the chart which attracts fated events/encounters which freewill does allow us to avoid/side-step.

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posted July 24, 2020 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dwhelps     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you very much, Graham.

I’m probably going to eventually delete this thread, it’s too tedious to edit out everything but thank you for all your help and interpretation.
A lot to reflect on.

Wish you the best on your journey!

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posted July 24, 2020 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will finished if interpretion if this get through.my post are being deleted as I mentioned

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posted July 24, 2020 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by todd:
I will finished if interpretion if this get through.my post are being deleted as I mentioned

Well this one got through .I will continue in a hour as have a few things to do.

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posted July 24, 2020 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Graham     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dwhelps:
Thank you very much, Graham.

I’m probably going to eventually delete this thread, it’s too tedious to edit out everything but thank you for all your help and interpretation.
A lot to reflect on.

Wish you the best on your journey!



Thank you, Dw... And best wishes on your journey too.

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posted July 24, 2020 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Again
Well I'm getting blocked and then not blocked so I'll give it a go in segments. If a don't post within 10-15 minutes then I am being block and will try again later in the day.

I just skimed through your previous responses and notice you have been going to w therapist. This makes my analysis easier because I am going to make reference conscious and unconscious dynamics so it is good to know this will not be foreign intellectual landscape.I do have a BA in psychology but I do not have pretensions I am a psychologist. I am a astrologer with over 40 years experience.

Okay let's see if this much gets through.

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posted July 24, 2020 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excellent

First I am going into your node/ mercury square to Chiron.
In a general way this shows the possibity had your physical probls do have a psychological correlation, but more importantly it is a favorable aspect for being able to heal these issues through knowledge and understanding.

Specifically Chiron square the node and mercury gives a very sharp,analytical and deductive mind.Chiron adds to your psychic abilities but is also the symbol that dismisses nature of the psychic component because you are so smart that early in your life as mentioned you attrihutted your uncanny insights to your deductive analytical nature.

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posted July 24, 2020 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good so far

Chiron especially square to mercury can give a eidetic memory. A photographic memory. At any rate you memory is excellent and you are exceptionally perceptive.you have an insatiable curiosity and search to understand everything and everyone you encounter.this shows that in relationships you want to know how everything about your partner,what they think,how they feel and who they really are inside.this can bring an imaginable intimacy to a relationship but if disagreements arise these can lead to irreparable emotional damage because you know each others private fears and weakness as well as their strength

The flip side is that Chiron has no tact ,so when you see a truth you say it.if you are looking a someone's personality you will reveal the good and bad about them.this is where you run into trouble because most people do not like to hear about their faults.as a consequences you have offended people and maybe lost friends because your were to directvin your criticism of them.
I think this aspect why you don't have many close women friends like a first thought.
By this time you have probably learned to bite you tongue and not speak so direct to others without first weighing how your words will be received by them.
Okay I will start out bluntly. Your chart has several aspects aspects of emotional or physical or sexual abuse as a child.severe enough that you have likely repressed/blocked these memories.if so this is a contributing factor as to why you can not see these users you hookup with for what they are.when one blocks out abusive episodes in their childhood, then they unconsciously block out the personality characteristics of the abuser,and therefore can not recognized they are being approached by someone of the same ilk.

Before going into into specific aspects,I am will to bet dimes for donuts that your physical problems have some type of autoimmunity characteristics.

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posted July 24, 2020 06:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Testing again I've just had a bit if problems
Houston we have a problem .....the last response explaining this was eaten by the machine.I'll wait a few hours and see it the post appears.sometimes it has taken a day or more to appear and then sometimes it never appears

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posted July 24, 2020 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by todd:
Testing again I've just had a bit if problems
Houston we have a problem .....the last response explaining this was eaten by the machine. I'll wait a few hours and see it the post appears. Sometimes it has taken a day or more to appear and then sometimes it never appears

@Todd.

When you post, has it been taking an EXTRA long time? .. even looking blank sometimes? I'd been getting that too.

Sometimes, after it received what you wanted to post, it has frozen in suspense without taking you back to the page. --
.. This slackness is "new" to me ever since microsoft edge hijacked my computer with another major change a few weeks ago. They seem to have obliterated internet-explorer.

If you're working on a Desktop--
Try opening a new tab with LL loaded on your computer, and go seek if your post is there {without your having seen it in original tab}. Be sure to refresh the browser on that second tab 'just in case'.

REFRESH YOUR BROWSER OFTEN
* You need to refresh your browser after you post.
* You need to refresh the browser after you EDIT.

I've made answers to threads where the screen has not shown me that there had been other postings.

Try "refreshing the browser".

POOFED POSTS
If you continue to have posts get swallowed and go missing, please notify Randall. He can have it looked-at by his computer person to see if it's on LL's end.

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posted July 25, 2020 02:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I won't into the aspects suggesting abusive issue but I will agree these issues included seemingly everyone in you family.there are so many different aspects that I can see how complicated it is as you mentioned.

My determination that you had a autoimmune disease is based on medical fact that individuals in very abusive households as children very often developed autoimmune symptoms

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posted July 26, 2020 05:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dwhelps:
Yeah, that’s just the tip of the iceberg. My family is pretty complicated.

Um... autoimmune issues... well, it does run in my dad’s side. But men are more at risk for it, it’s an autoimmune disease only found in the Y chromosome. Women have risk of rheumatoid arthritis. But I do not have the gene.
Other than that, mostly allergies/asthma.



I'll explain how a knew you had a autograph mmune diseases of some sort.
Your chart has so many abusive aspects hat I knew you had to had a abusive severely childhood.
What happens when a young child is caught in a situation where the care/love givers are also abusing/harming this'd,they child can not get scape or fight back.
When neither the instinct to flee/flight or the instinct to fight can operate the immune system is devastated because Botha instincts create a hormonal cascade inn the blood system.but chemical hormones of these two instinct urges are chemically inimical to each other.he hormones essentially fight each other and the end effect is that the child's immune system can no longer distinguish the stimuli for these chemical cascades and turns destroying everything cellular including the normal body cells.
Hence you history and your realization that you needed therapy to work somethings out all pointed to the existence of psychological dynamics leading to autoimmune dysfunction.

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Originally posted by Dwhelps:
Yeah, that’s just the tip of the iceberg. My family is pretty complicated.

Um... autoimmune issues... well, it does run in my dad’s side. But men are more at risk for it, it’s an autoimmune disease only found in the Y chromosome. Women have risk of rheumatoid arthritis. But I do not have the gene.
Other than that, mostly allergies/asthma.



I'll explain how a knew you had a autograph mmune diseases of some sort.
Your chart has so many abusive aspects hat I knew you had to had a abusive severely childhood.
What happens when a young child is caught in a situation where the care/love givers are also abusing/harming this'd,they child can not get scape or fight back.
When neither the instinct to flee/flight or the instinct to fight can operate the immune system is devastated because Botha instincts create a hormonal cascade inn the blood system.but chemical hormones of these two instinct urges are chemically inimical to each other.he hormones essentially fight each other and the end effect is that the child's immune system can no longer distinguish the stimuli for these chemical cascades and turns destroying everything cellular including the normal body cells.
Hence you history and your realization that you needed therapy to work somethings out all pointed to the existence of psychological dynamics leading to autoimmune dysfunction.

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posted July 26, 2020 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dwhelps     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks todd for your insight and time, you are quite perceptive.

It is true that I experienced quite a lot as a child but I mitigated my fight-or-flight response via creative endeavors, immense volunteer work, spirituality, friendships and working rly hard in school - I was an ace student and valedictorian.
And life sorta got me out of the situation naturally, I’ve been pretty blessed.
I wasn’t given more than I could handle at any one time.

My allergies was the biggest deal tho and eventually became asthmatic - but I’ve also controlled that over the years. Thing about me is I am very sensitive to my envt and that has also been the way I’ve been able to change my health for good or bad.

Love and light 🙏🏻💗

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posted July 27, 2020 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Test to see if my post will get through

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posted July 27, 2020 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay
It did post a response in which I delineate thr abusive aspects but it was eaten by the machines also went into detail as Chiron.
Chiron square mercury gives a very good memory in addition to adding clarity and critical thinking to you already high intelligence.
In most cases,it gives a edetic or photographic memory,
It adds to psychic abilities by giving a prescience to mathematical or organizational problems,but the problems with a overly critical attitude disaffection of friends and acquaintances,
Chiron can indicate abusive a experiences with the node .aspects with Saturn,Pluto,or us tend bring these affects out,

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