posted September 23, 2021 05:46 PM            

How much have you researched the costs of that area, even for employment possibility (in whatever area you have a skill for)?

If you got into financial problems and couldn't pay rents, etc, do you have a Plan? State of FL has basically STRIPPED all the 'safety-nets' (unless you meet a VERY strict criteria demographically).

They DO NOT put resources into AFFORDABLE Housing!! That's a HUGE problem in FL !! Seems that for the past 12 years, they've secretly been re-directing funds and grants that were 'supposed' to go towards building 'Affordable' Housing and gave it to their special-interests instead. -- There's a CRISIS in FL with Housing. It's even been on the Nationwide TV News programs.
Will you have enough income to afford the more expensive Better apartments?

Are you fluent in Spanish? (If not, start classes now-- before you'd get there.)

posted September 23, 2021 05:56 PM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
So it looks like I am moving to Florida for the politics and because De Santis is awesome but it seems like I'd be more miserable there than New England where my Jupiter line goes through.

Oh well :'(

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So... Your sentence is a little confusing.
You're saying that you WANT to move to a politically ultra-conservative run State, but fear Jupiter is too far away for you because Jupiter runs through the Democratic Voting States?

Here's the LINK you left to your map on the other page.

Plutonianmenace Astrocartography Map.
- http://i.imgur.com/mEGsd3f.png

You wanted to move to Miami for the Political ultra conservatism, but are sad that Jupiter-line doesn't run through it?

For Conservatism: you already live in an ultra-conservative State ... Why Move, except for a change of scenery/climate/cultures?

Conservativism? Follow places along your Saturn-Ascendant line. You'd 'feel' it, and it would please you?

Looks like that Saturn line runs down through Eastern Texas. Greg Abbott runs that State (right now). Why not go explore his area?

Then, Jackson Mississippi, New Orleans! are ultra-conservative-- but has VENUS on Descendant line for you. Those have ultra-conservative State governors.

Sadly.. seems perhaps you prefer this country turn into an Autocratic form of Govt. Freedom will be SEVERELY restricted (especially for The Women). Homeless population will be on the increase because wages would be even lower and rents very HIGH.

With Jupiter-- really, it depends if Jupiter is in a good SIGN, and well-aspected?

What's your chart-ruler?

posted September 24, 2021 10:25 AM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
Miami is somehow a sun-pluto line for me, wtf.

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awww. For real and truly, I'm genuinely sorry that this might have spoiled your dream of relocating there?

But Sun and Pluto? Those are power-authoritative.
Not ALL AUTHORITY is 'good'.
There might be a call upon 'your own' inner authority.
Would you cave-in?
How and where do you Stand?

My Experience:
With me, I had spent around two months in an area that was part of my Pluto line, and two simultaneous things happened. My inner Authority/Power was Challenged by a pack of bullies-- By them 'packing together' to do the wrong thing to (and in front of) a group of other individuals, I was faced with Standing UP to Power, and 'representing' The Right Thing.

They were doing 'the wrong thing' and publicly I pulled off their cover. It was so surreptitious how they ganged together and became a law unto themselves, to do harm!!, without answering to a Higher Authority. -- I visually Stood for The Right Thing in front of them, and hopefully I convicted some that what they did (because of agreeing together) was STILL wrong.

Privately I PRAY that 'some' of those wrong-doers turned from their LOL 'wicked ways'. *smile* .. I hope they left that group.

I was surrounded by maybe 50 people one weekend. I 'took' their abusive attitudes and shameless words, and Stood in their midst Representing what was Right.

No other people stood openly revealing that they supported me, throughout that long ordeal. Until...

One evening, someone approached me when I had gone for a walk and time alone. They validated me. Said I had been 'right' all along, and "spoke Truth to Power." ...
That person said how much they admired my bravery, my courage-- and that I remained 'christian' with those people THROUGHOUT.
(I heard later that she left.)

In my DEEPEST of self, my having needed to Stand that whole time with NO open support, left a mark in me. WHY didn't they stand WITH me, seeing that I was accosted by SO Many-- bullies!!????

I still kind of inwardly quake from that experience over two decades ago. There's a solid strand of strength in me, AND, it confuses and makes me sad.

It perturbs me how PEOPLE --- who KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT THING is -- who know what the RULES are -- can on-purpose collectively-decide to ban together DO the wrong-thing, and make it OKAY because they 'agreed' to do HARM.

Pack-mentality. They ban together like an unruly pack of DOGS with a lust for power-- having a taste for blood by having no consequences for Harming!! It felt 'good' to them to abuse!! Abusing (with no consequence) had its 'own' reward. Because they 'support each other' agreeing in wrong-doing-- it reinforces and gives permission "that doing harm is 'okay'" ?

It was a Lesson to me--
* that there 'would' be 'individuals' hidden in the crowd who 'silently' stand in strong support.

* that pack-bullies can become 'drunk on their own blood' and the wrong thing like it's right 'because they agreed'.

I'm just glad that physically I got by. Had there been fewer people, they could have physically REALLY done harm to my body.

There are a few spiritual centers in that area that I had been very interested in---- but after that 'lone' experience, unless 'leaders' were open and Standing FOR me, I would not go there again. Not without open protective people.

PLUTO .. I taught *them* -
* I revealed their failure, their WRONG-Doing.

Because they had become 'PACK', their individual Conscience might have been numbed or blunted. But I hope I 'got' to (penetrated) a few of them who MIGHT have had a little-bit of a Conscience left in them.

I left that area with my Life and Stand having made a difference. But it was at a steep personal cost inside me for doing that. And I have the knowledge that I came away from that with a 'boosted' Reputation. sheesh!! at a price.

I did NOT like that experience of having done ALL THAT without 'open' support. My supporters remained hidden and silent, while I faced those DOGS.

And inside me, it leaves me sad!!!! Even to this day, thinking about it.

*~

That's what I was talking about, as far as NEEDING to know 'why' you want to move there? WHAT are your Goals?

*~
In my last relocation in April 2001, I had come here with the Heart purpose (again) of BEING WITH a (christian) Spiritual Community, who said they were making a difference. I desired to be an integral working part of a group that (kind of advertised) that they were Like Family-- in Support of each other, AND doing work for the outer Community in which we live.
-- It was a lie.
I spent all my money in a Move.
I was going to re-build my life after painful divorce.
THAT never happened!!!!
... And now I'm 66 years old, and in the WRONG Town. Never found 'Connection' here. Have NOT found My Tribe.
. .
That Relo took my 10th House Neptune rx Libra, and moved it to the 11th House instead.
With my Goal/Purpose to join a Church/Spiritual Community-- I wound up finding the negative side of Neptune!

HAD I moved here with a different focus, different intention, it would have supported that. But, 'that' was not in my interest.
The other 'neptune' interest I had, I'm too old to qualify.

And so it goes....

Do some Deep Diving into WHAT it is you WANT, Plutonianmenace??
Choose Higher, not lower... okay.
You don't want lower-Pluto effects-- you'd get in with the 'wrong' crowd if you are not Strong with Moral Compass. {By moral, I do NOT refer to sex-- I'm talking about the Difference between Right and wrong. Don't fall into the wrong crowd-- they'll eat you up. What befalls 'the pack' will befall you.

Much Love, Plutonianmenace.

hahaha.. the 'menace' ?

Be good or PLUTO will line you up with the underworld.
The devil HAS no friends or allies.
The devil is a LIAR, and as part of that 'pack' he WILL turn on you at his evil pleasure and convenience.
The devil is solo-- and 'uses' people that think they are in his good graces. .. No such thing. He WILL use and turn on you.

What's your Purpose? Goal?
What do you Stand for?

BEST of luck to you.

posted September 24, 2021 06:55 PM            

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You said:
I rather just have it straight in the sense of "yeah you're moving to Florida, here is what to expect based on your astrocartography chart".

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You haven't even left your natal ...
If you played with the 'Travel' click at astro, you'd read answers to your own question.

Did you book a reading with that Astrocartography Pro I left URL to?

He has special software, and decades of experience at it.

~
Did you ever go to college? Some kind of Higher Ed?
Are you in your very early 20's?

posted September 27, 2021 12:16 PM            

The strong energies of Pluto in combination with the Sun generally cause you to question aspects of your life which have become too rigid. You can definitely expect profound changes by being in this region. What type of events is likely to happen in your life under this influence depends on your current constitution and state of development.

It is here that you come into contact with your unacknowledged needs and repressed emotions.

The shadow sides of your psyche come to the surface, often without warning and in a disruptive manner. If you find the courage to face these deeper dimensions of yourself, you can transform them. Psychotherapy can also facilitate this process.
In these places you experience - actively or passively - the meaning of power and of forces which are not easily controlled. You live in extremes, and your motto is "all or nothing". That is fine, as long as you are aware of what you are doing and how others perceive you. If you are not careful, the tide may turn against you.

posted September 27, 2021 12:17 PM            

FML.

posted September 27, 2021 12:40 PM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:

I think I messed up :'(

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No. You didn't!! ALL this was merely 'a rehearsal', like a dream you had and woke up from. There IS wisdom, there ARE take-aways in this imagined 'scenario'.

IF you have your financial life in good flow, you can always REVERSE a relocation. If you have a good relationship with your parents/family, you'd always have a Safety-Net. A do-over.

Like what happened to me when I spent some months on my Pluto-line. I KNOW that 'if' I were invited to BE there, there would 'have to be' a physical protective team of real people, where I'd move.

Don't give up!!!

I'm going to guess that you don't have enough funds to make an independent move there.

Scrape up enough to go VISIT.
The 'experience' of being in the stew of that city's atmosphere (including a taste of the very particular culture) will make a deposit into you; fulfill something your soul wanted to know BY the desire.

I don't know ANY LL'ers that are from that area.
If you needed to couch-surf, you'd need a different connection.
{ADD .. Wait!! I just remembered that Hypatia's parents are pastors of a spanish mega-church (christian) in that area (I think?). If your desire is intense-enough, maybe she could talk her parents into housing you temporarily, and show you the city and life among the major culture of the region.}

You say you're SUPER into the Politics of the Governor.
Get online to the MAGA center FOR that city. See if maybe they'll help you out?
What skills do you bring to their table?
{ADD Again. ..
You need to know that IF you relo there and $ get into trouble (without any self-safety-net), the MAGA politicals have stripped NEARLY ALL the funds from former safety-net programs. And there's a ?-3 year waiting line to get into affordable housing program. You'd be extra-super-stuck!!!, without the good ability to instantly find a job (using your skills) that could cover the price of rents and cost of living in that area.}

And... You still haven't come up with a specific Goal and Intention for making that Relocation.

It's like making a negotiation.
Every City, State, Area have their spirits that dominate that area. In a way, you'd have to (in the spirit/etherics) make a metaphysical contact. State your intention.

If a relo to the New York and surrounding area turns you off just-because of the so-called liberal Politics? Then you know that you are forfeiting a move to the area that is directly-ON your Jupiter line ... because of
partisan-based prejudice?

Jupiter rules Belief Systems..
including political belief systems.

You haven't shared your natal JUPITER placement yet, sign house and aspects?

'What' would you add TO the Community BY your moving there?

posted September 27, 2021 04:57 PM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
Crossing Sun/Pluto / 2404 km

The strong energies of Pluto in combination with the Sun generally cause you to question aspects of your life which have become too rigid. You can definitely expect profound changes by being in this region. What type of events is likely to happen in your life under this influence depends on your current constitution and state of development.

It is here that you come into contact with your unacknowledged needs and repressed emotions.
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A constructive way to deal with these topics lies in the wisdom of the occult and shamanistic rites for example. Use the power of this influence to explore and transform your personality.

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You keep running from your Plutonic issues but they keep coming up again and again until you actually start working on your shadow side. Multiple people on this forum have given you advice about this but you keep blaming everything on external factors. But in the end it is you and what is happening outside is just a mirror.

posted September 27, 2021 11:33 PM            

ALso

posted September 28, 2021 03:14 AM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
Like why is it that the one city that seemed so appealing to me is on the Sun and Pluto line....

ALso

is a Sun and Pluto line like really really bad?

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posted September 29, 2021 10:23 AM            

When I pull up the Astrocartography chart, the planet closest to the city of Miami and to South Florida is Jupiter. I think it is less than 300 miles away even so I could, according to some, feel its impact. The closest Pluto line is running through West Texas.

I have a very tough time grasping just why Sun/Pluto crossing would be significant here.

posted September 29, 2021 12:35 PM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
I have a very tough time grasping just why Sun/Pluto crossing would be significant here.
- http://i.imgur.com/mEGsd3f.png

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Have you actually READ and CONSIDERED the things that myself and PlutoWasHere have shared with you????

You've HAD our attention ON you here.
Where's yours?

You are deliberately BLOCKING OUT what we've had to say to you---
and demonstrating that you are not 'motivated' to Do The Work yourself,
nor have you called the Pro (don't have the funds?).

If you don't have the funds for him,
then HOW are you going to PAY for your relo?

It's clear that you want to GO there.
DO it .. with the caveats you've received by us AND the description of what you could encounter on a Pluto line.

~ Some people can't 'understand' until they HAVE the ACTUAL Experience FOR THEMSELVES.

AS I've said.
Make sure that your FINANCES are in order.
Make sure you have Marketable SKILLS that match the industries in that area.
You'll NEED extra-monies (deposits) for setting up your housing. That's usually 2 months rent in advance, PLUS administrative fees of around $100 (that you'll never see).
In Florida, if you DEFAULT on rent and get evicted, it is ON your record for ever. Will interfere with getting employment, as well as another apartment in the better-areas.

You refuse to share your Jupiter natal placements----

You have claimed that you do 'research' .. (and it brings you MONEY?). Your not saying anything else, is code for someone possibly living on govt disability, OR, rely on your parents/extended family for support?
If you rely (at your younger age) on Disability Checks for your support?, you should know and realize that the Magas are obsessed with dismantling ANY and ALL funds FROM Govt sources...
So go, with any relocation, with the understanding that you have to make it on your own, without any Govt support.

If you are Hungry, you'll need transportation to a Soup Kitchen.

The Homeless are abused and targeted as prey by some Magas. Better make good money, or have good connections!!!

Housing sucks.

What are your TALENTS?
Can you make a living at it?
IF NOT, stay home in Iowa with your parents.
You'll be needing their support now, and in the coming year, until we find out 'what kind of Govt' we're going to have.

The Autocrats HATE social programs that you 'might' be needing, especially if you rely on disability pay--- that might disappear.

The Magas are on the path to break the economy for all as of Sept 27. Govt won't be able to pay its bills, and the USA will DEFAULT on bills for the FIRST TIME EVER.

STAY HOME so you have a roof over your head
during these perilous times.

Appreciate your parents, since you live with them?!

Your NATAL Sun line on Descendant--
with Venus too--
this possibly has you being more 'dependent' ON others(desc) for your support.

posted September 29, 2021 02:08 PM            

So my father passed away this year, yeah, I didn't want to share it but that's what happened. My mother has also moved to South America to be with her family there, she could not stand to be in the US anymore. As for my career, I am an engineer and have been for the past few years, I invest heavily and have read countless books about wealth. Not a millionaire yet but set well enough.

See, I don't feel comfortable sharing the personal details of my life because 2021 has been a traumatic year for me with the passing of my father and my mother leaving the country. I do not want to go to South America either and prefer to stay in the US.

posted September 29, 2021 02:41 PM            

That software at astro com glitch?
.. hmmmm. I wonder. Make sure you watch the "miles" they post IN those descriptions as you move your mouse around. But, you might be right, in some ways, with that. It's basically classified as entertainment?

So, your VERY BEST solution would BE to make a contact with the Pro, okay?
This one (I gave you) has DECADES of experience (and he's getting ready to retire?).
I think he had actually 'lived' in that area for a few years, once-upon-a-time. You'll have his added knowledge of the social and industrial climate there.

Pay attention again to what I've said about financials in Florida. Florida's rules are very different from other States.

In other States, for example, if you want to change apartments/home, and you have a 'lease' on an apartment or house, the Law says you can't tell your landlord to use your own deposits placed-on-account to pay for your last months rent. No no no no no... *chuckle*

State Laws are skewed TO the Landlord, Property Owners.
You need a lawyer to look over your contracts-- in fact, hire a lawyer on Retainer for yourself.
Take videos of ANY flaws in the place.
Get promised repairs in writing.
Document EVERYTHING, with formal copies in a paper and electronic file you'd keep.

"You MUST Pay the Rent"
(hahaha, Snidely Whiplash?).
(silent movie) "The Foreclosure"
[5:32] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10ZzKaZpPF8

It's GOOD to 'keep' a good financial cushion.
That's excellent that you've made money on the Markets! I'd worked for stockbrokerages (as an assistant) for a handful of years-- but not in Florida.

Job Industry
Have you explored the availability of Engineering jobs you could apply for, in Miami? Locate a professional Headhunter that knows the area? Even from the State you live in right now, there are some headhunters that are networked TO the Miami area.

I really-truly hope that you get what you Wish For, okay?

In the 'mean' time, contact the Pro---
then Come TEACH US what you've learned!!

posted October 01, 2021 10:58 AM            

Still confused on what you are trying to say with Florida property law.

I move next week and will be living with a friend as I look for apartments. I should have one by October 15th.

Money is going to be very tight so I might have to wait till November to see a Pro and get to a point where I can afford one.

posted October 01, 2021 12:32 PM            

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Originally posted by plutonianmenace:
... do not want others to have sympathy for me. If I was to even begin to describe what this year has entailed for me, it would make a lot of people cry.

Still confused on what you are trying to say with Florida property law.

I move next week and will be living with a friend as I look for apartments. I should have one by October 15th.

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You staying within Iowa?
Or would that be a move to Florida?

RE your push-away attitude about sympathies ----
Whoever taught you that did you a huge disservice. When you TOLD me that, it made you more 'human' in my estimation... There have been many people here who have HAD incredible losses. Everyone deserves a bit-more 'understanding', when they've been through Ordeals!!! You are not excluded.

AND -----------------------
I want to give you this feedback... give you chance:
I came here after just-now reading a HORRIBLE ACCUSATION (astrology2.0forum) that you made (Sep 27) about one of our members!!!!

WHAT EVIDENCE do you hold about the CLAIM of 'what they DID' being fact????

If what you wrote IS true???, then you have the civic responsibility to report them to proper "sex-perv FTC/? authorities"--- so they can be ARRESTED and banned from the internet!! And for that girl then, to pursue court-compensations for FALSE perverted-pictures of her.

BUT If 'you' are a LIAR? then YOU deserve to be kicked-off the 'NET for 'the severity of' such an unfounded accusation. ugh. Seriously-- What you said, went over-the-line!!
(It would be good if you edited that particular post, accusing him/her of that, if you don't have PROOF.)

posted October 01, 2021 09:00 PM            

So SpaceCadet invented the lie on this forum that I am apparently some guy who goes forum to forum to forum stalking Sagittarius women or whatever. He even made up a lie that some Leo on reddit was going to stalk and harm some Sagittarius woman he was infatuated with. Somehow, he tries to tie me into being affiliated with said Leo.

Look at the first ever post by SpaceCadet, they literally made an account on here for that very reason. I ignored it because I knew what they said was not true. Then, they kept persisting over and over and over again until I had enough. I looked into the reddit ordeal to find that countless redditors had issues with SpaceCadet, going to the very Sagittarius sub they accused the guy they connect me to for trolling.

After digging deeper and deeper, I looked at history of said users accused and found that SpaceCadet was actually some Twitter troll who bullies mentally sick people, brags about it (and them making up their mental illness supposedly), lies about having a mentally ill brother for sympathy, and then stalks countless users site to site. I tied them to that account because they were promoting the same fradulent astrology website that is on the twitter account with the stolen photo. This is a monster and want to know who else they tried to harm? Maren Altman. They get jealous of Maren because she puts in the work to make videos while Space stalks countless users forum to forum and site to site.

It was finally when I had been pushed to the breaking point, was tired of being harassed, and tired of being attacked that I struck back without mercy. A moderator warned SpaceCadet to leave me alone and for us to not argue on a very thread they posted on. Meanwhile, Space on that very thread about US's Pluto return which got locked made-up lies about me threatening them over private message which I cannot do on here and I doubt the user who is their center of obsession on reddit did.

Then, when ScorpioGirl goes up making up her lies about me, yet again tying me to some other user, SpaceCadet jumps in. I had it and I went at them without mercy. Evil prospers when good men stand by and do nothing.

posted October 02, 2021 08:18 PM            

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posted October 08, 2021 09:51 AM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
Plutonianm.. thanks for sharing. Wow. I didn't know all that was going on in other forums because I don't hang out in same threads. (Would take too much time to read through every thread, everyday. I'll usually choose one or two threads to answer in .. and for certain topics.

edit 6oct

I just caught a post that Cadet fired back at you..
Saw other things you wrote...

{I'm staying out of this}

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