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Topic: The Raelian Movement
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Cat
Moderator Posts: 3307
From: England
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted January 18, 2003 10:17 AM
 
Well they have certainly gone very quiet at the moment re this cloning they say they have been successful with. I kind of think it could be a publicity thing - but time will tell....no-one will believe them without proof.
I'll let you all know if I hear anymore news about them
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proxieme
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From: Southern 'Bama
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted January 19, 2003 12:39 PM
StarLover33 -
As far as I know, there're no biologists, chemists, et al that would claim that a clone would have the mind of that individual cloned.
Even purely mechanistic science admits to the impact of subjective experience on the development of the human psyche -
no two indidviduals can have the exact same experiences.
I don't see why a soul entering a clone would be "low" - why do you say that? (I'm not saying, "Sooooo, StarLover - whhhhy would you saaaay that???" but, "Hm, curious - how'd you come to that conclusion?"IP: Logged |
StarLover33
Moderator Posts: 1987
From: King Arthur's Camelot
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted January 19, 2003 01:59 PM
Actually, it was my biology teacher who told me that the two individuals would be exactly the same, if they were living in two different parts of the world. He told me scientist believe that if the Brain is made by the same replica of DNA then the two people will act very much the same.
But of course, we Astrologers know this is very flawed, I was only trying to point that out.
As for the low entity, I just don't think that a highly evolved soul, would choose to place itself in a scientifically cloned body that has a high potential of dying or being very hated. But of course, I could always be very wrong, it's only my opinion.
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Randall
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From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted January 20, 2003 01:06 AM
It goes back to "nature vs. nurture." There will be lots of similarities in behavior, but the environment plays a large role as well. Also, although Starlover has a valid point, I think it's possible that very Enlightened Souls may choose such an incarnation to teach the rest of us--like the Souls that choose to be born blind, deaf, or suffer progeria.  ------------------
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proxieme
Knowflake Posts: 3193
From: Southern 'Bama
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted January 20, 2003 09:50 AM
But she was staying that UNevolved souls would choose cloned vessels. I think that I'm inclined to agree w/ Randall on this one - that they would be here on a teaching trip, so that we may learn not to hate that which is different.Hm, as far as your Bio teacher - although I have known some other HS teachers that have said stuff entirely left-field of the main steram opinions of their fields. IP: Logged |
StarLover33
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From: King Arthur's Camelot
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted January 20, 2003 11:02 AM
Randall, I agree with what your saying, but I don't think it will happen yet in this point in time.
The Raliens mean very well and I believe in their philosophy. But there have been many warnings in which people should not over use technology more then spirituality.
They have a leader named Rael and he claims to be a prophet. Is this not the age of false prophets? Don't we have to be aware of these kinds of people? Yes.
Cloning will happen no matter what, but now it not the time. I have an intuitive feeling that if the babies are born now, they will fail, not becuase it's a sin, but becuase our enlightment is to far below our technology.
Including the fact that there is so much negativity and ignorance against these babies.
I also have an opinion that the parents are doing this for their selfish purposes.
They also don't know anything about karma and reincarnation which is a very important factor. My point is as long as wisdom and spirituality are far beyond technology, then scientific human cloning will be very silly and unnecassary. But that has not happened yet. Im sorry but I just don't trust scientists plus the egoist who are going on TV making a big annoyance. But then again this is just my opinion and I know that I'm very inclined to change it many times over. IP: Logged |
proxieme
Knowflake Posts: 3193
From: Southern 'Bama
Registered: Aug 2002
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posted January 20, 2003 11:41 AM
All us fish are  Heck, mine'll prolly change 20 times today.  And I absolutely agree w/ you that the reasons behind human cloning are, for the most part, shady and misguided at best - and you wonder how many of these parents that are going through CloneAid actually think that they're going to get their lost children back through using some dusty DNA.
Another major qualm that I have with human cloning is the present state of our technology. I mean, we saw Dolly and CopyCat, but we didn't see all the failed attempts, those organisms born woefully and pitifully (and painfully fatally) malformed because of goof-ups in the transfer.
Besides disgusting me because of the unnecessary suffering of the animals, it makes me wonder about the human "attempts" that we're not hearing about because those involved are chalking the results up to trial and error. Oh, oh - and that guy on TV - the leader of the "Raelian Movement" - he, he, he actually told reporters to call him "Your Holiness". Quick Note: If you ask someone to call you "Your Holiness", you probably shouldn't be called that. IP: Logged |
Randall
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From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted January 20, 2003 12:25 PM
I agree, Star!  ------------------
"Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
pearly
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From: Neptune, Milky Way, Universe
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted January 20, 2003 08:53 PM
Hmmm, quite a topic here. Had to look it up on the net for more info. In case anyone is interested, here's what I found...
 A copy/paste of a bit I read: "Also, the speculation was that the Vorilhon (Rael), who describes himself as a prophet, told the Herald that he had distanced himself from Clonaid since its founding but expected the company to make money and to ultimately create eternal life." "It's a commercial company and her goal is to make as much money as possible, and I hope she will make as much money as possible," Vorilhon said of Boisselier. He said scientists may develop technology within 25 years to create a full-grown human clone in hours and to "upload" the contents of a person's brain into the clone. "It's a very beautiful step, but it's just a step," Vorilhon, 56, told the Herald, referring to the alleged cloning of Eve. "The ultimate goal is to give eternal life to humanity through cloning." ** Interesting theory on eternal life... reminds me of a movie I once saw with Kevin Bacon in it...
Cat  : I found this:
The baby girl was born to a 31-year-old American woman Thursday (Dec. 26, 2002) at 11:55 a.m., Boisselier said. She was cloned through cells taken from the mother, she said. **it seems to be a secret as to where she was born, but if I had to guess, I'd say Florida, the Bahamas or Montreal. And if I had to guess from those, I'd say Bahamas. Cloning is illegal there, but giving birth probably isn't and I read that the baby girl's parents may decide to NOT make her a US citizen, implying that she was born outside the US. Since she was born on a Thursday and was home on Monday in the US, I suppose it may have been somewhat close. Plus, Clonaid has contacts there and in Montreal (so I guess it could be Canada as well). Anyway... that is my attempt at mystery solving!  I think the other babies supposedly being born will at least have a place of birth (Japan and Northern Europe to a Dutch couple?) Hope it helps... if you do look at the chart, please do tell your findings  **************************************** But in a different light, here is a profile of Dr. Brigitte Boisselier from 2001: http://www.newsday.com/news/sns-cloning-boisselier-nyn,0,7187337.story
And in case anyone still has an interest: http://www.clonaid.com 
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 16464
From: Columbus, GA USA
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posted January 21, 2003 01:08 PM
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Cat
Moderator Posts: 3307
From: England
Registered: Jan 2002
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posted January 21, 2003 02:19 PM
Hi Pearly
Thanks for the info  ...especially the birth data. Now that will be interesting to look at. Mind you without the place we could be miles off in the chart.
I've got a bit of a mad week this week but hopefully will get a chance to look up the chart this weekend.
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Quinnie
Knowflake Posts: 541
From: Belfast, Ireland
Registered: Jul 2002
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posted January 21, 2003 03:13 PM
So how would dna immoratlity work out if say our earth evolved to become a different condition to what it is now and there was say, no air to breath and therefore no breathing via the way we breath now...
If the clones are the same cloned bodies as they were so many thousands of years ago the cloned bodies would not survive due to natural evolution.
Our bodies would need to evolve too and surely in cloning the bodies we have now it would stunt our natural physical evolution.IP: Logged |
Annie Kuzma
Knowflake Posts: 342
From: Kettering ,Ohio ,USA
Registered: Jan 2003
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posted February 21, 2003 07:17 AM
All bodies are vehicles that soul use here on Earth.
Your consciousness,is connected to your Super-Consciousness.(As Above,So Below).
We are US because of that.
I just wonder about the Souless body?IP: Logged |
raj_105_2001
Knowflake Posts: 1219
From: Chennai
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted February 21, 2003 07:57 AM
It is actually impossible to 'feed memory' into brain because of ways neural networks work. You cant take someone’s memory and transfer into another person’s brain. So ‘soul transfer’ is impossible technically. When you clone someone genetically – so far ‘same person’ was never got. Looks like some Spiritual Protection Agency in stars takes care of Spiritual Security. He who created ‘First man’ knew what he was doing. I am computer engineer, where neural networks is in curriculum so I know as matter of fact that memory cant be transferred from one brain to another even by replacing brains.IP: Logged |
theFajita3
Moderator Posts: 1404
From: Sunny South Florida, USA
Registered: Feb 2003
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posted February 23, 2003 01:07 AM
Wow I just learned from those links that twins are natural clones. Interesting. But I am still scared  ------------------
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StarLover33
Moderator Posts: 1987
From: King Arthur's Camelot
Registered: Jun 2002
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posted August 14, 2003 05:43 PM
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