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oober-galaxian
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posted April 20, 2006 02:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hello everyone !

something struck me abt a comment i read in a previous topic . it was something like : 'it shows that spirituality belongs to everyone , not just to indians' , and it kinda got me thinking .

why is spirituality generally linked with india ? it's true that india been spiritually conscious for thousands of years , but isn't spiritualism more an individual than a community thing ? so why do we not get to know more abt 'guru's from the west ?
and anways , isn't our national identity something temporary...something we have only for one incarnation ? i might be indian today , but may have been american in the past and may become african in the future . in that sense , spiritualism should be there in everyone in equal measure. so why aren't there so many spiritual gurus from other countries ? do u think (just a thought..) it has something to do with hindu philosophy , which stresses more on the spiritual aspect and less on the religious/doctrinal side of it , and subsesquently prompts spiritual consciousness from a young age , whereas it lies latent in ppl from not-so-spiritual backgrounds ? ( don't take it otherwise plz , i don't mean this is an offensive way ).

plz lemme know wat u think , and share ur views/opinions honestly !

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posted May 02, 2006 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not sure.

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The answer is that the practices of Hinduism is a way of life for the people here, but for the other (western) religion, it is more of laws to be followed. I am not trying to say one thing is better than the other, but when you look at Pagans and Wiccans and Shamans, and Hindus, and Buddhists, there is an underlying similiarity in how they practise their beliefs(religion). I guess, it is easier for the eastern oriented religion to get into ones everyday's lifes than the western philosophies, which require a "certain" steps to be followed.I am not sure what I said is right or wrong, but that is what I feel.

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posted May 09, 2006 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good answer!

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posted May 03, 2014 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SDragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's also something to consider. The 'church' as organized religion, and I'm not referring to any specific religion per se has always been pushing that people need to be saved, that their faith costs them and that a certain amount of their income be donated to the 'church' to ensure their entrance into heaven.

Thus, the symbolism of poverty tied to spirituality has always been one that the 'church' could push and prosper from as they separated spirituality from the material world in the 'minds' of the populace. We are now becoming to be aware that spirituality and the material world are neither good nor bad but derive from the All That Is, so how can one be good or not? This general understanding will eventually lead to the downfall of all organized religion that separates, divides and fragments the All That Is as the New Age of Spirituality moves to a holistic, all is one, we are all, comprehension.

As India has one of the largest populations living in poverty, it would make sense to create an image of them being more spiritually conscious that again ties poverty and spirituality together. But India also has a beautiful spiritual conscious or fragment of acceptance. There is a level of acceptance or fate/kismet that the west has tried to run away from due to their technological/scientific approach. As much as the west strives and is the yang/active energy, India is the yin/passive energy and there's a beauty to it as well.

"Blessed are the meek; for they shall inherit the earth"

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posted December 29, 2017 06:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by SDragon:
Here's also something to consider. The 'church' as organized religion, and I'm not referring to any specific religion per se has always been pushing that people need to be saved, that their faith costs them and that a certain amount of their income be donated to the 'church' to ensure their entrance into heaven.

Thus, the symbolism of poverty tied to spirituality has always been one that the 'church' could push and prosper from as they separated spirituality from the material world in the 'minds' of the populace. We are now becoming to be aware that spirituality and the material world are neither good nor bad but derive from the All That Is, so how can one be good or not? This general understanding will eventually lead to the downfall of all organized religion that separates, divides and fragments the All That Is as the New Age of Spirituality moves to a holistic, all is one, we are all, comprehension.

As India has one of the largest populations living in poverty, it would make sense to create an image of them being more spiritually conscious that again ties poverty and spirituality together. But India also has a beautiful spiritual conscious or fragment of acceptance. There is a level of acceptance or fate/kismet that the west has tried to run away from due to their technological/scientific approach. As much as the west strives and is the yang/active energy, India is the yin/passive energy and there's a beauty to it as well.

"Blessed are the meek; for they shall inherit the earth"


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posted December 30, 2017 10:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Indeed!

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posted December 31, 2017 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Babaji is from India.

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posted January 01, 2018 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An immortal GURU.

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posted February 26, 2018 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SDragon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In regards to why there are more "guru's" in the east, especially India, I would say because they are less educated. That's not to be taken as a negative, it just means that their left hemisphere of logic, structure and goals have not overwhelmed and ruined the right hemisphere of abstraction, being and silence.

In the west, the school of logic and memorization indoctrination is the norm, whereas guru's from the east rarely have a structured education and are usually involved in their sect/yogic traditions from a very young age.

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posted March 26, 2018 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah, interesting perspective!

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posted March 27, 2018 10:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SDragon:
In regards to why there are more "guru's" in the east, especially India, I would say because they are less educated. That's not to be taken as a negative, it just means that their left hemisphere of logic, structure and goals have not overwhelmed and ruined the right hemisphere of abstraction, being and silence.

In the west, the school of logic and memorization indoctrination is the norm, whereas guru's from the east rarely have a structured education and are usually involved in their sect/yogic traditions from a very young age.


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posted May 03, 2018 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And there's Babaji.

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I think it is because hindu spirituality could keep a lot of things from ancient windsom, and because of the influence of doctrinal christianism this things got lost in western countries.

As a european I found hindu spirituality fascinating because it somehow had ideas about self growing about having God inside of you... that I couldnt find it in the classical catholic churches.

Then I idealized so much every indian thing.
After some years for some reasons I moved to India not just wantimg to go to ashrams but also having a ' normal life ' there working in Delhi.

And then I saw people is just normal, aahah I mean not all of them enlightened gurus but just like people from anywhere else.
But anyway I found curious that spirituality is something which almost everybody considers or feels at some level.

Like... in Europe someone who says he doesnt believe in God or in any spirituality would be someone who thinks we are just meat and bones and nothing else farder than this.

In India even if someone claims to not believe in God you would see that person somehow having superstitions or having some God statues at home or believing somehow in energies and destiny.

I think its a cultural thing but in that culture some things actually comes from very precious windsom.
Not everything of course. But in western countries I feel we lost that ' magic' a little bit.

I don't kmow why this happened in India... there may be some reason for it thou.
Maybe... west and east has to come closer and learn from each other so the planet can be more united... I dont kmow.

Some people says its because there is this kundalini of earth.
Some energy which is moving throught the earth along the ages.

It seems that source of energy was in Atlantis before and then moved to the Himalayas.
Now seems it is somewhere in southAmerica so maybe that will be the spiritual place of the future, with all the chamanic windsom.

Anyway... I think its good to just learn from everywhere and not keep yourself closed.

I feel kind of disturbed when I see people who went to India and then they come back saying they got enlightened and acting so arrogant.
I feel this actitude makes a beautifull spirituality look like just some new fashion.

Blessings!

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posted July 08, 2018 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree on all points.

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