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dafremen
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posted August 10, 2003 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dafremen     Edit/Delete Message
I had a very disturbing dreams 2 nights ago. I wrote this afterward. Please tell me what we have here. It should be obvious that it isn't just a manifestation of anxiety or a bit of undigested barley soup. Please, if you have time check this site out:
http://revealments.tk

or if that doesn't work try
http://www22.brinkster.com/dafremen/WhatTheHandsOfMenHathWrought/

Let me know what your impressions are. Thanks in advance.

Daf

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Ra
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posted August 10, 2003 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Very interesting, Daf.

I will have to give this some thought.

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dafremen
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posted August 11, 2003 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dafremen     Edit/Delete Message
Any revelations? (Excuse the TERRIBLE pun. I have a really horrible sense of humor sometimes.)

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juniperb
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posted August 11, 2003 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
@ Daf.

Ra, I`m burning to hear your insight also. Daf`s vision won`t leave my mind. It feels so, well so Literal.

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Ra
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posted August 12, 2003 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Daf, I have not had time yet to properly contemplate these dreams, but I am curious as to what you think of them?

How do they make you feel?

Have you been reading any apocalyptic literature lately?

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dafremen
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posted August 12, 2003 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dafremen     Edit/Delete Message
No Ra. Forgive my impatience with the last question, but I've heard it so often in the last two days. I hadn't opened the bible for real study in about 2 years. I haven't been thinking about Armageddon, hell I don't even believe in Armageddon as we've been taught Armageddon. I like John probably the best of the disciples, but he isn't a fixture in my thoughts and ALL of that aside...there is the equation to blow the notion that this was a figment of my imagination right out of the water.

As for how the dreams made me feel: They scared the crap out of me, of course. At first. Then began the contacts out of the blue. Folks who knew stuff that they shouldn't know about a very secret number my wife and I share. We used it as a passcode to verify that any messages from the other side, were indeed from us. ("if such a thing were possible", I would have added at the time) The answer to the very first question, no matter WHAT the question was, would be our number. So if they asked if we were happy on the other side, we'd answer with: the number. If they asked what our favorite color was...the number. (It is also my password on several sites.)

Well I've had 4 people contact me whose very first question to me after explaining that they had read my dream was..."what does (the number) mean to you?" This is not 666 it's another number...a number that was MEANT to be a passcode and a reminder and a wake up call to those of us who came to do this thing. Those of you familiar with the number may know what I am talking about.

Ever since that second revealment, the words have been flowing non-stop from my fingertips and from my mouth. Things I have never thought of before, things I have never seen. Things that I read right along with everyone else because...it's news to me.

I feel what's coming Ra. I've felt THAT for years now. Now I feel it clearly and with more and more detail as the days proceed. I'm not afraid of it anymore. I know that this is what I volunteered for before taking my first breath. I'm a bit anxious about my ability to finish the cleansing process and prepare myself for the coming events, but I will make it. I had better, I've been waiting my whole life for this. Literally, since I was 4. I'm entering my Leo years this October. I'll be 35. Time to shine baby, time to use all of the skill that I have been blessed with to give the best performance of my life. 7 years, then time for selfless service to others. I have been waiting for THAT my entire life too.

I wrote something quite awhile back...I believe it was addressed to Auriel. I told her that I felt destiny calling me. Then I left my birth details and never heard from her. I was a so0per no0bie at the time so maybe that's why she saw it as another joe blow trying to get a free reading or something. I'd still like to hear what a more accomplished astrologer has to say about my chart. I will email my birth details if someone has the time and incliniatio nto do that for me.

Daf

P.S. I have Solarfire at home, so I've got the best computer generated interpretation on the market. I'm looking for something else.

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posted August 14, 2003 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Hello, Daf.

Well, this is certainly not a typical "dream", and it seems to me that you are aware of the message. The interpretation was performed within the dream itself, and you already know what the numbers mean. This is a "revelation" for you, and I do not think I am one of "those of us who came to do this thing", as you put it - my mind tells me that this is not my reality, and I am being given no information other than what you already have.

I wish I could offer you something more insightful, but then, I do not think you need it anyway. You already Know.

I do want to thank you for sharing this "dream", it is very peculiar and an interesting communication.

Again, I wish I could do more, and if there IS something specific you do not understand, I will be happy to give you my humble opinion.

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anafaery
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posted August 15, 2003 06:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anafaery     Edit/Delete Message
daf, for what its worth, i have felt the same as you before. if i am being bluntly honest, i still do feel it too. it started from a *very* young age. just... the whole being different thing. i still dont know what its all about, but i know one day i might figure it all out. it started to take form when i read star signs, in the numerology part, when i read lindas explanation of the numbers 4 and 8. my life has often been 'touched by fate'. at this point in time, i think there might be *some* validity to lindas numerology, but i cant believe the whole thing. part of that is because of her description of the number 26. linda is normally very much a believer in the sheer power of love. her description of the number 26 was, if you pardon me, very much unlike her. strongly advised to forego partnerships? i have always gotten the message from linda that love can cure all, can move mountains, can erase karma. so, thats why i am not so apt to 'use' her numerology. i hope that makes sense, apparently my stating that i dont believe her numerology has upset some people before. that was never my intention, i only said what i thought because if someone was also a 26 like me, i thought it might give them hope. i didnt mean to try to discount our beloved linda.

anyway, that said... next my little search for why i felt different took me elsewhere. i have read about the 'starseed' thing on another thread in universal codes. that made sense, but i am reticent to start believing i am a reincarnation of a space alien from the pleiades. its just a real leap of faith for me, and im somewhat pragmatic. i still think its a possibility, just a more remote one. i ended up feeling that if i and others like me *were* reincarnated space aliens, then thats ok. if we were just unique and special people, thats ok too.

as far as my chart, ive sought advice from people who know far more than me in those regards, but i havent been able to come up with much on that end. some things were interesting, but nobody has told me specifically anything about my 'destiny'. if i ever find out what some of those indications in a chart are, i will let you know, and perhaps look at your chart. i can do charts pretty well, but i dont have any sort of 'control' for something so specific in a chart. i just wouldnt know where to look. if that makes sense?

i would offer to look at your chart in case i did see anything interesting, but i have a huge backlog im needing to get to work on. i had a bad spell a short time ago where i couldnt look at a chart if my life depended on it. i think i needed to have a break from astro. im getting back into it now finally *thank god* but i dont want to put myself under any pressure, or else ill freeze. thats just the way i am.

well, i dont know if any of that helped you, but i thought id share my thoughts anyway. maybe something i wrote might make you feel better.

as far as your dream, i read it, and wow. what a dream! i cant really say for sure what i felt about it, insofar as interpretation, as it didnt even come close to english words (was all 'feelings'), and it would take a lot of mental energy i *just* dont have right now to translate my impressions into english. i think that you and Ra have it covered anyway. i dont think it was a bad dream, in that i didnt feel overwhelming doom or anything when i was reading about it. it was just very 'true' by the standards of what i feel is going on in the world (the symbology really chimed with me) and it was very deep. thats pretty much my main feelings about it.

hmm i didnt really help much 'i cant do your chart and i cant interpret your dream'. bah. in any event, i hope i gave you some moral support? *sigh*

~lossforwordsfaery

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where i end and you begin there's a gap in between there's a gap where we meet where i end and you begin
and i'm sorry for us the dinosaurs roam the earth the sky turns green where i end and you begin

i am up in the clouds i am up in the clouds and i can't and i can't come down

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anafaery
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posted August 15, 2003 06:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anafaery     Edit/Delete Message
oh and ps, when i refer to myself as 'special' i by NO means intend that i am 'better' than anyone else, or more worthy, or more 'enlightened' or whathaveyou. sometimes being different isnt necessarily a good thing. i use the terms 'special' and 'different' totally neutrally.

just wanted to make sure i wasnt thought of as having some sort of messiah complex or something like that. im just ordinary, but different. i think. bah. anyway...

~mehfaery

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where i end and you begin there's a gap in between there's a gap where we meet where i end and you begin
and i'm sorry for us the dinosaurs roam the earth the sky turns green where i end and you begin

i am up in the clouds i am up in the clouds and i can't and i can't come down

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Ra
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posted August 15, 2003 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Daf, may I ask, who asked you to show this to me?

Just curious!

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anafaery
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posted August 16, 2003 05:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anafaery     Edit/Delete Message
Ra, daf posted this in the poetry forum, and juni suggested. sorry to answer a question not meant for me, but heck, i figured i knew the answer.

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where i end and you begin there's a gap in between there's a gap where we meet where i end and you begin
and i'm sorry for us the dinosaurs roam the earth the sky turns green where i end and you begin

i am up in the clouds i am up in the clouds and i can't and i can't come down

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posted August 21, 2003 02:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lunargirl     Edit/Delete Message
I just read this thread, and the dream(s). Many of us dream of receiving such a 'call', but it can't be comfortable when it comes.

Daf, do the best you can to be prepared, spiritual and alert -- I feel you must continue to pay close attention to the currents to which you are so sensitive. I feel certain too, that you will!

Although you've posted the dream online, and have posted about it here too, perhaps you might continue to communicate this dream to others in as many ways as you can. Spreading the word may be a service that you need to perform.

Despite criticisms from progressives who complain that John Paul II is not progressive enough, he has shown great courage and integrity by speaking out against the Middle East wars, esp. US/UK involvement. His successor may not share the same views.

What seems clear for you, is to spread Light so that the darkness is dispersed. I wish you much light and courage and success on all your journeys.

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Ra
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posted August 21, 2003 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
The Pope has courage and integrity? Did I just awaken from a years-long coma, during which time some miracle happened upon the Vatican????

I must respectfully disagree with that, Lunargirl. Of course, that is just my opinion!

<--- that is pretty much what I think of the Pope!

I apologize in advance if this offends someone.

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Lunargirl
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posted August 21, 2003 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lunargirl     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, Ra! I didn't realize how I'd positioned myself as an apologist for John Paul II!!! Yikes!

Truly, I agree with you -- I'm the gal most likely to rail at the whole of the apparatus of the Catholic Church, and gnash my teeth over the great strides backward into the Middle Ages the Pope seems to keep taking -- oh the misery he could stop if he would truly exercise his power and position for good -- and yet, I believe in giving credit where credit's due, and he has at least spoken out against certain events. He is less horrid than the Popes of World War II, if no better than most.

Friends recently toured Italy, and visited the Vatican. They were dismayed at the obscenely luxurious display of wealth they saw there, in Vatican City. And I do know that the Vatican Bank is the only bank that does not answer to many international auditing rules. Many criminals bank there.

Anyhow... we are less far apart on this point than my previous post may have suggested! Glad you respectfully disagreed and let me know!

cheers,
Lunargirl

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StarLover33
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posted August 22, 2003 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarLover33     Edit/Delete Message
What speculation do you have that could make John Paul II a bad man? But truth be told, his goodness is no better then Bill Clinton, I suppose. But what would make you consider him devilish? I never blame the figure head always the people around him. For instance, I think Bush is a good person, but with his advisors the power of convincing overcomes him. I definitly know in my heart that it's the Pope's men who are leading the country. The Pope blasphemes us, while on top of that his men are the ones who created the war. We'll never know for sure becuase the most powerful men are the ones that keep their names secretive. I don't blame John Paul II and Bush for acting like big cowards. But that's exactly what they are cowards. After all they don't want to get assinated.

I think the beast is the Vatican, and the men are disguising themselves as a religon, which they are not. I believe that those secretive are waiting for the coming of an evil pope to rule the world. This pope will be the antichrist and all the united nations will be brought down. They're using technology, prophecy, astrology, war, and black magick to do whatever they want. It's probably going to happen because they have great odds against the innocent people.

The next pope won't be it, probably the one after him because it is said that he will be peaceful and will reign shortly (assinated.)They're probably waiting for 2012 because that's when all the astrological allignments are compatible. The same allignments that helped Walmart become so large. The Aztecs believe 2012 will be the end of the old world and the start of a new world.

Plus everyone is predicting the shifts of the poles, I think it's already begun, but we haven't felt the effects yet. The next decade will be the one that everyone has been waiting for, either that or I'm completely wrong and I'm so prepared for that.

P.S. Bush, is one of the only presidents, that has made religion become a part of state. Is that constitutional? The War on Terror is all about picking on countries that aren't apart of the United Nations. Once we have a proper hold over them, they will be easy to control during the reign of the bad pope.

-StarLover

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dafremen
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posted August 23, 2003 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dafremen     Edit/Delete Message
How did this turn into the same old Machiavellian, he said, she said, your beliefs vs my beliefs, your politics vs my politics, your opinion vs my opinion your football team vs my football team your color vs my colour your grey vs my gray your human race vs my huma..Oh.

Daf

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posted August 23, 2003 05:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anafaery     Edit/Delete Message
well daf, i sure didnt do that. i wonder if you read my comments at all?

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where i end and you begin there's a gap in between there's a gap where we meet where i end and you begin
and i'm sorry for us the dinosaurs roam the earth the sky turns green where i end and you begin

i am up in the clouds i am up in the clouds and i can't and i can't come down

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dafremen
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posted August 23, 2003 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dafremen     Edit/Delete Message
Yes I did. The entire thing and I can't help but be amazed at the power of numbers as a tool for communicating truth. It had always just been a little far out for me, then these things happened and suddenly, it seems like numbers held the key to proving that a dream was more than a dream. Numbers, it turns out, are a secret passcode amongst a group of us who have felt something, in particular FOR ONES that may have been called to something more. I do appreciate your time and understand the freezing thing completely. It happens to me with programming and writing. Stay in touch..perhaps a bit more than usual.

Daf

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StarLover33
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posted August 23, 2003 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarLover33     Edit/Delete Message
Nobody was arguing, we were merely speculating what was true or not. Relax man!

-StarLover

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dafremen
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posted August 23, 2003 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dafremen     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, I'm sorry. Did I come off uptight or bent out of shape? Not at all. You two left a soapbox behind and I took full advantage of it. (A short lesson in Dafremenomics.)

It was never my intention to attempt to shut anyone up.

Censorship and I have had nothing to do with one another since our horrible conjugal verb misunderstanding that fateful night in Bora-Bora.

(Course, it was more like "Bore-A Bore-A" THAT evening!)

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posted August 23, 2003 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anafaery     Edit/Delete Message
starlover, with all due respect, i actually would be a little sad if i posted a thread like this that ended up veering off about stuff that would be better suited for the global forum, if i were him. he wanted some simple answers to his dream, thats all. lunar and Ra had their say, and it was done. i just think that this thread should go back to its original topic, it was a dream thread in a very specific forum, the dream forum. honestly i would sigh a little bit if this was my thread, i would be a little dismayed.

i totally get his point, and you should relax too. heck everyone should relax. the world would be a better place.

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where i end and you begin there's a gap in between there's a gap where we meet where i end and you begin
and i'm sorry for us the dinosaurs roam the earth the sky turns green where i end and you begin

i am up in the clouds i am up in the clouds and i can't and i can't come down

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posted August 23, 2003 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarLover33     Edit/Delete Message
Trust me this doesn't belong in the Global Unity forum, it would be torn apart. Sorry I shouldn't have posted. Oh well that's okay.

-StarLover

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posted August 23, 2003 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message
I`m Sorry Daf

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Ra
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posted August 23, 2003 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ra     Edit/Delete Message
Why all of the apologies? I see nothing in this string that does not belong.

StarLover, your comments were nothing but appropriate. Never feel that you should not post here.

You too, Lunargirl and juniperb!

This dream of dafreman's has everthing to do with the powers-that-be ... and the Vatican/Pope is certainly amongst those! In fact, dafreman's other dream "The Man with Two Eyes" is specifically about the Pope. So there is no problem.

People have opinions, one thing leads to another, spiraling happens! No one is arguing here, and I see no evidence of Machiavelli creeping around.

Everything is GOOD!!!


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posted August 23, 2003 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anafaery     Edit/Delete Message
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StarLover, your comments were nothing but appropriate. Never feel that you should not post here.

You too, Lunargirl and juniperb!


of course my name is absent from those permission slips. i get the message.

dont worry starlover, its me that shouldnt post here if anyone shouldnt. everyone loves you, you are accepted here, and you *know* that. otherwise you wouldnt be a moderator. your nose seems to be out of joint because i disagreed with you. im sorry about that. i just thought it was a little disrespecful towards daf to say 'Relax, man!' as if it was an order, and i personally feel he had every right to feel a bit discouraged because his thread had turned a way he had not forseen.

then again, who is right? whose word is law? one person can speak their mind, but another cant? who is the one that gets the sharp end of the stick when all is said and done?

which brings me to... yet again, i am the bad guy. i just honestly could understand dafs point of view, as he posted a very intense dream that was a very personal issue to him, and it went off about presidents and things that didnt have much to do with *him*. i just sympathise with how that is, obviously anyone can post anything but really, it can be disheartening when one posts a very sensitive issue and then it goes off being about things unrelated. i spose im alone here.

honestly, i believe that if someone posts a post in one of the more 'intimate' forums, such as this one, which tends to deal more with personal issues/experiences, i feel its important to keep the discussion about *them*. thats just the way i feel, and heck, whats right for me isnt right for everyone. normally i wouldnt care. it has brought something to light though that ive been feeling for a little while, actually since i came here.

ras comments (or rather lack of what was said, merely my name) were pretty much the straw that broke the camels back. i suppose that by excluding my name it is a passive message that my comments are not welcome, or appropriate. ive had other passive messages around here too. sorry to dump it all on you ra, but honestly, im just so tired of it.

ive felt for some time that i pi$$ a lot of you off, and im really sorry for that because i dont mean to. i guess i just see things differently. honestly though? i just dont feel comfortable here at LL anymore. if i say anything that disagrees with any of the old crowd or the moderators, y'all band together and say things that may be unintentional but end up making me feel as though i did something almost criminal. i honestly dont care what people think of me, they can take me or leave me and i have enough self confidence to not judge my worth based on the standards of other people. i know my personality ruffles feathers, and this wouldnt be the first time in history either. it just really gets to me sometimes how unfair it is, other people can speak their mind, but when i do theres this response that is almost passive aggressive.

i just really wish that people would be honest and direct with me. if you dont like me, or dont like what i say, then feel free to just tell me. i can take it, im a big girl. id much rather that then have these subtle comments, it really wears on me.

time for some rhetorical questions. how is it being more spiritually aware or evolved to not be open and direct with others, and instead pretend that everythings 'aaaa-ok!'? why does it seem that most people are so unwilling to actually step up to the plate and give someone the courtesy of knowing how they really feel about them? its much better that way, really. if you dont like someone, even if you pretend to, and dont express your opinion of them directly it will come out in passive ways. such is what i have noticed several times here in the last month and a half or so. this is the latest post where ive noticed this toward me.

i can pretty much predict what will happen next. someone will stumble in and assure me that it isnt the case, infer that i am being paranoid, and basically patronise me. i really hope that wont happen. i just really would like to see some honesty here. i have no problem with anyone that doesnt like me. it makes it easier for me because then i can

1. avoid you, if you dont like nor respect me theres no point in me interacting with you on the board
2. 'release' my friendship and appreciations of you, i dont sit there thinking fond thoughts to people that dont even respect me, i spend my energy doing more worthwhile things
3. have the information to decide whether being a part of this community is really worthwhile to me, and can make an informed decision whether or not to move on to where i am appreciated and respected

not everyone is going to get along. thats a given in this diverse and oft opinionated society we live in. same goes for message boards. i honestly am mature enough to realize that not everyone is going to 'approve' of me. i am more than happy to just accept it and continue to pursue my bliss, without bothering myself with people that dont like me or interacting with them.

so heres your chance. hate me? let me know. i wont fight, i wont cry, ill just avoid you. im sure thats best for all involved.

and btw, i am not mad at all. im very matter of fact, although im sure some may sense anger in my words, but its not from me. there honestly isnt any, i am quite dispassionate because i know and accept that in this world people will dislike other people and often dont even need a reason. its a non issue with me, i just like to know what the truth is.

and, be honest to yourself, most of all. ask yourself 'does she bother me? do i harbor a secret dislike of her?'

i really like a heck of a lot of things about all of you here in this thread, but really, spare me the effort if the agape is not returned. ill stop wasting energy admiring you and admire someone who might return it.

all my best to you all

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agape2 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-gp, g-p)
n.
1. Christianity. Love as revealed in Jesus, seen as spiritual and selfless and a model for humanity.
2. Love that is spiritual, not sexual, in its nature.
3. Christianity. In the early Christian Church, the love feast accompanied by Eucharistic celebration.

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where i end and you begin there's a gap in between there's a gap where we meet where i end and you begin
and i'm sorry for us the dinosaurs roam the earth the sky turns green where i end and you begin

i am up in the clouds i am up in the clouds and i can't and i can't come down

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